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House approves foreign wiretap bill (227-183 vote)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/4/07 | Charles Babington - ap

Posted on 08/04/2007 8:35:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - The House handed President Bush a victory Saturday, voting to expand the government's abilities to eavesdrop without warrants on foreign suspects whose communications pass through the United States.

The 227-183 vote, which followed the Senate's approval Friday, sends the bill to Bush for his signature. He had urged Congress to approve it, saying Saturday, "Protecting America is our most solemn obligation."

The administration said the measure is needed to speed the National Security Agency's ability to intercept phone calls, e-mails and other communications involving foreign nationals "reasonably believed to be outside the United States." Civil liberties groups and many Democrats said it goes too far, possibly enabling the government to wiretap U.S. residents communicating with overseas parties without adequate oversight from courts or Congress.

The bill updates the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, known as FISA. It gives the government leeway to intercept, without warrants, communications between foreigners that are routed through equipment in United States, provided that "foreign intelligence information" is at stake. Bush describes the effort as an anti-terrorist program, but the bill is not limited to terror suspects and could have wider applications, some lawmakers said.

The government long has had substantial powers to intercept purely foreign communications that don't touch U.S. soil.

If a U.S. resident becomes the chief target of surveillance, the government would have to obtain a warrant from the special FISA court.

Congressional Democrats won a few concessions in negotiations earlier in the week. New wiretaps must be approved by the director of national intelligence and the attorney general, not just the attorney general. Congress has battled with Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on several issues, and some Democrats have accused him of perjury.

The new law also will expire in six months unless Congress renews it. The administration wanted the changes to be permanent.

Many congressional Democrats wanted tighter restrictions on government surveillance, but yielded in the face of Bush's veto threats and the impending August recess.

"This bill would grant the attorney general the ability to wiretap anybody, any place, any time without court review, without any checks and balances," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., during the debate preceding the vote. "I think this unwarranted, unprecedented measure would simply eviscerate the 4th Amendment," which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

Republicans disputed her description. "It does nothing to tear up the Constitution," said Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif.

If an American's communications are swept up in surveillance of a foreigner, he said, "we go through a process called minimization" and get rid of the records unless there is reason to suspect the American is a threat.

The administration began pressing for changes to the law after a recent ruling by the FISA court. That decision barred the government from eavesdropping without warrants on foreign suspects whose messages were being routed through U.S. communications carriers, including Internet sites.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; approves; bigbrother; congress; eavesdropping; fisa; foreign; govwatch; house; privacy; surveillance; wiretap
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To: vbmoneyspender
"The Democrats did the right thing. Maybe they actually do have an instinct for self-preservation."

Looking at the vote tally, most democrats did not, only a few did. 181 democrats voted no. That is 3/4 of their caucus.
21 posted on 08/04/2007 9:40:25 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: jrooney

If their leadership had wanted to block the vote, they could have. There are other things they could have done to jam up the works — but they didn’t.


22 posted on 08/04/2007 9:44:12 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: NormsRevenge
Typical rat fraud. I was checking on how our PA reps voted. I was checking out the rat page of rep Holden who voted against the bill. I found that he described himself as a Blue dog conservative rat. I reviewed six rep sites and everyone of the rats portrays themselves as patriotic conservative hero. This just reinforces my belief that an active coup is going on in this country.
23 posted on 08/04/2007 9:46:25 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Great News and thanks for posting the roll call vote.


24 posted on 08/04/2007 10:00:17 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: vbmoneyspender
If their leadership had wanted to block the vote, they could have. There are other things they could have done to jam up the works — but they didn’t.

Her Thighness will find this law handy. ...

25 posted on 08/04/2007 10:04:40 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The terms “eavesdropping” and “wiretapping,” endlessly repeated with pejorative intent, have served well to help sow distrust and to mislead as to what is being done and why it must be done.


26 posted on 08/04/2007 10:54:58 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: vbmoneyspender
Wow. The Democrats did the right thing. Maybe they actually do have an instinct for self-preservation.

No, the 'Rats had already been caught with their pants down while trying to fix a Congressional vote this past week with some quick and clever gavel pounding, 'technical glitches' in the computerized tallies, which for once saw Republicans up in arms and literally walking out of the House chamber in protest.

The 'Rats knew the spotlight was on them, but as another poster pointed out, the vote total on the passage of this bill reveals that 3/4 of the 'Rat caucus still voted AGAINST the national security of the United States.
27 posted on 08/04/2007 11:08:13 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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Weren’t the Dems going to impeach him over what they just authorized him to do?

rofl, I’ll have a heaping helping of Moonbat Meltdown please. With whipped cream and... well, the nuts are already there


28 posted on 08/04/2007 11:13:06 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: NormsRevenge
I was talking with my progressive lib brother when we got some static on the line. He started shouting that the government was listening in on our conversation. It wasn’t really an angry shout. It was more of an “Aha!” shout.

I pointed out that since I live on a Military installation there is monitoring. I asked why anybody would listen in on him. Nobody really cared about anything he had to say.

After that he pouted.

29 posted on 08/04/2007 11:18:32 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: byteback

What? They didn’t vote?


30 posted on 08/04/2007 11:20:03 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Shortstop7

check the link on post #2


31 posted on 08/04/2007 11:28:30 PM PDT by byteback
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To: vbmoneyspender
Wow. The Democrats did the right thing. Maybe they actually do have an instinct for self-preservation.

You are way too generous.
A handful of Democrats in close districts did the right thing for the self-preservation of their reelection chances.

32 posted on 08/04/2007 11:41:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge
So Hunter, Paul, and Tancredo decided that this vote was not that important to them.

Cuz...we all know that they are just $500.00 from becoming the front-runner.

For Shame!
33 posted on 08/04/2007 11:42:48 PM PDT by TxCopper
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To: vbmoneyspender

CYA, with the recent threat uptick, if something happen’s Dem asses are documented hanging way out in the political slipstream. It is all about them, not us, the great unwashed.
I hope it gives du and kos da chits!


34 posted on 08/04/2007 11:43:11 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you are there thats the best)
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To: NormsRevenge
Unfortunately, the “Straight Talk Express” was derailed, and we haven’t heard from J. McCain since.
35 posted on 08/04/2007 11:44:08 PM PDT by TxCopper
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To: NormsRevenge
And I do find it veryinteresting that the Speaker of the House actually cast a vote.

(Maybe she has in the past, and that would show my ignorance, but...)
36 posted on 08/04/2007 11:47:48 PM PDT by TxCopper
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To: NormsRevenge
"Protecting America is our most solemn obligation."

Then why Mr. President do you advocate granting amnesty to illegal aliens who could very well be terrorists?
37 posted on 08/05/2007 12:19:39 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good win for the conservatives and the President!

It proves that the conservative position on Nation Security is a winning one ALWAYS, even in a DUmmy Congress.


38 posted on 08/05/2007 1:49:35 AM PDT by indianrightwinger
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To: vbmoneyspender

“Wow. The Democrats did the right thing. Maybe they actually do have an instinct for self-preservation.”

BS, they just wanted to go outside and play... the maturity of this congress is very disappointing


39 posted on 08/05/2007 3:09:21 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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To: NormsRevenge; RaceBannon; rwsteel; flightline; euphoriadev

Ping to Norm’s Post #2

Walter B. Jones voted nay.


40 posted on 08/05/2007 3:20:12 AM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
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