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No surrender (in Iraq) [Must Read!]
The Seattle Times ^ | August 5, 2007 | Ambassador Bruce Chapman

Posted on 08/05/2007 8:17:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The tempting thought that it is now safe to begin withdrawing from Iraq is being dangled in front of the American people this summer. Maybe if the United States and our allies pull out, or pull over, or pull to the side, the Shiite and Sunni moderates — facing destruction — will summon the ability to defeat al-Qaida and Iran's Shiite surrogates and go on to construct a solid peace.

It is more likely, however, that bloodshed of historic proportions will flow. Not hundreds of deaths a week, as now, but hundreds of thousands in a few months, and the depopulation of large areas. Instead of daily news of roadside bombs, prepare yourself for day after day of genocide stories. Shiite will fight Sunni. In the north of Iraq, the Kurds could well come under attack from Turkey, a U.S. ally that justifiably fears the terrorist PKK (People's Workers Party) operating on its border. Emboldened by America's defeat, Iran not only will engage more in Iraq, but also will foment further Hezbollah attacks on Israel. Lebanon is liable to revert to Syrian control. Afghanistan will get shakier as the Taliban base in Pakistan grows. Operating opportunistically through it all will be the global conspiracy of al-Qaida.

Withdrawal now is really a euphemism for surrender. An honest public opinion poll would phrase the question that way. After all, even war supporters want withdrawal — the sooner the better — if it is the product of a credible handover to the Iraqi government. But, defeat described as "withdrawal" will not reduce American casualties in the long run, because the war will spread. Gloating, al-Qaida will turn still more attention to the American homeland.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaida; bush; congress; defeatocrats; democrats; dhimmicrats; georgebush; iran; iraq; islam; islamofascism; jews; jihad; jihadists; judaism; kurds; lebanon; middleeast; mideast; muslims; presidentbush; rop; shiites; sunnis; syria; terrorism; trop; turkey; wot
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Good opinion piece.
1 posted on 08/05/2007 8:17:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No reasonable debate here, losing in Iraq at this point is losing in ways we can’t even conceive of right now !!!


2 posted on 08/05/2007 8:25:28 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

Do we need a Vietnam-like defeat once a generation to make the democrats happy?


3 posted on 08/05/2007 8:26:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: All
Appeal military members can sign in support of the mission:

4 posted on 08/05/2007 8:31:58 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This, coming from Seattle? Wow!


5 posted on 08/05/2007 8:37:26 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I honestly think this goes beyond a Vietnam type withdrawal. The bad guys in the Middle East have already shown us on 9\11 the type of hurt they can put on us. Lose to these maggots in Iraq and I don’t even want to think about the demonstration they’ll put on in the future !!!


6 posted on 08/05/2007 8:38:10 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent article, thanks for posting.

With much of the MSM on the side of the enemy it’s understandable that many of our citizens turn against the war. That should not be the case with our elected officials who swear to protect this country.

There are far too many in Washington ready to turn their back on the security of our nation for short term political gain. It’s disgusting.


7 posted on 08/05/2007 8:40:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is truly amazing that some do not understand the dangers of leaving Iraq and surrendering to al Qaeda there.


8 posted on 08/05/2007 8:41:01 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Old Seadog
This, coming from Seattle? Wow!

I thought the same thing.

9 posted on 08/05/2007 8:46:57 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Obie Wan
...losing in Iraq at this point is losing in ways we can’t even conceive of right now !!!

Losing = Ameriqastan

10 posted on 08/05/2007 8:47:29 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: jrooney

It is truly amazing that some do not understand the dangers of leaving Iraq and surrendering to al Qaeda there.”

I think the fact that we are in Iraq and Afghanistan is the reason some do not understand.They won’t understand until after the next terrorist attack on U.S. soil.


11 posted on 08/05/2007 8:48:15 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent opinion piece. And, from Seattle? I didn’t think there were any sane people left there.


12 posted on 08/05/2007 8:50:39 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This coming from a Diplomat is by itself is a miracle. Great article.
13 posted on 08/05/2007 9:00:43 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: elhombrelibre

A great article.


14 posted on 08/05/2007 9:05:00 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Time to pour the fire to that place,,, Take out the place the EFPs are made... Image and video hosting by TinyPic
15 posted on 08/05/2007 9:07:28 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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Moreover, if we withdraw too soon, many Iraqis who trusted us and worked with us will vote with their bodies to come to America as refugees. Some politicians may try to keep them out — the way that Gov. Jerry Brown of California tried to keep out the Vietnamese boat people after the fall of Saigon in 1975.

First I've heard of this. What did Brown do, specifically, to try to keep out the boat people?

16 posted on 08/05/2007 9:08:25 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; SolidWood; ...

Mature thinking on Iraq ping.


17 posted on 08/05/2007 9:09:14 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; Steel Wolf; CAP; SolidWood; ...

Mature thinking on Iraq ping.


18 posted on 08/05/2007 9:09:31 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Withdrawal now is really a euphemism for surrender.”

And Democrat is a euphamism for Traitor!!!


19 posted on 08/05/2007 9:09:38 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: jveritas

Thanks,


20 posted on 08/05/2007 9:09:53 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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