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Posted on 08/06/2007 5:45:15 PM PDT by Dada Orwell

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To: mylife
basically hold him hostage then cite him for blocking the flow of traffic when its the cops who created the blockage!

Yeah, I noted they detain this guy, and after their supervisor comes out, and sees the cameras, people talking on cell phones, and they figure out the detainee knows the law here... And then they pop up with "blocking the sidewalk" law, and start citing the ordinance in this regard.

Too funny.

I'm sure these LEOs are real nice guys, just doing what they think is their job, but I suggest they stay far away from any real mean streets.

51 posted on 08/06/2007 7:44:53 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

It all turned into a pissing contest L0L

They had to save face L0L


52 posted on 08/06/2007 7:47:42 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: spotbust1

ping to self


53 posted on 08/06/2007 7:49:43 PM PDT by spotbust1 (Procrastinators of the world unite . . . . .tomorrow!!!)
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To: Dada Orwell

I live in New Uork State, where I’m pretty sure they’d arrest me for openly carrying even a photgraph of a gun.
Geez, I hate all the cruddy liberals here.


54 posted on 08/06/2007 7:51:17 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: mylife

Yeah, when the supervisor told him to lose the camera, I had to laugh...Even that was a questionable order or request. Interesting what affect cameras have in incidents like this.


55 posted on 08/06/2007 7:53:39 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Isnt it interesting that they all want to film us, but they get real squirrely if we film them


56 posted on 08/06/2007 7:56:19 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dada Orwell
I display my firearms and conceal them (yes, I have a ccw) in FL with no problems...except for the bad guys.

5.56mm

57 posted on 08/06/2007 8:05:31 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: tiger-one

So youre saying, had it been you, It would have never escalated to this level?

Mr stripey shirt would have never gotten agitated because you would have never agitated him.

BTW mr stripey shirt could have got his pal shot.
I’m all for compliance with the police’s demands. If Im wronged I’ll work it out in court.


58 posted on 08/06/2007 8:08:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: M Kehoe

Always Pony up that CCL when you get pulled over.

Some coppers get real nervous when they find out youre packing


59 posted on 08/06/2007 8:10:28 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; Squantos; Eaker; SLB; DaveLoneRanger

Pings, and maybe a ping list ping?


60 posted on 08/06/2007 8:12:09 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Hot Tabasco
That being the case, I'm not about to create a stir by exercising my right. I do have common sense...

Rights, like muscles, atrophy when not exercised.

61 posted on 08/06/2007 8:13:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: mylife
Always Pony up that CCL when you get pulled over.

I've only been pulled over once, unloaded the 40 cal., put it on the dashboard with my CCW, drivers license and registration. No ticket, no problem.

"Have a nice day officer."

5.56mm

62 posted on 08/06/2007 8:16:44 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Thats generally the case. Usually they dont even want you to unholster.


63 posted on 08/06/2007 8:19:01 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: FreedomPoster

I’ll have to watch the rest of the vid tomorrow. It may surprise some people here to hear that I don’t really like what I’m seeing so far...


64 posted on 08/06/2007 8:20:18 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: M Kehoe

Oh BTW 40 SW is a dandy cartidge


65 posted on 08/06/2007 8:20:45 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Isnt it interesting that they all want to film us, but they get real squirrely if we film them

Oh, that's quite understandable. Being on the wrong end of a camera can occasionally ruin or change one's career/life etc...

Believe it or not, there are more than a few people out there that have concealed recording devices installed in their vehicles, specifically for traffic stops. Some even have video and audio. No joke.

66 posted on 08/06/2007 8:27:23 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: M Kehoe

Glad it worked out for you. I tended to get a tad twitchy on traffic stops if I saw the driver fumbling around with a firearm while I was approaching. I suggest that you leave it be, and announce that you are armed, where it is, and that you have a permit.


67 posted on 08/06/2007 8:29:42 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: bluefish
The guy in the striped shirt was just itching for an escalation, merely to make a point, and he was doing all he could to make the situation worse.

I have to agree. Strip shirt dude was either drunk..or on speed. Open carry guy was cool and calm. All in all, I think the cops handled it well.

68 posted on 08/06/2007 8:35:38 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
I tended to get a tad twitchy on traffic stops if I saw the driver fumbling around with a firearm ...

I appreciate your input, but I don't fumble around with firearms. Every move I make is deliberate, quick, and not easily observed. It's that tactical training I can't seem to get out of my head...

5.56mm

69 posted on 08/06/2007 8:37:06 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

ok


70 posted on 08/06/2007 8:39:14 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: bluefish

Stripe shirt guy is a certain male appendage. For the good of law abiding citizens, he needs to get a life and stay the hell out of the way.

Hmm, now about New Jersey....


71 posted on 08/06/2007 8:50:32 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: ScreamingFist
All in all, I think the cops handled it well.

They really didn't have much choice in this incident.

In LA, if this guy were walking down the street like that, they send out a tactical swat team, seal off a 10 block perimeter, set up command posts, shoot the cell phone out of his hand, send in the dogs, tazed him, shot him several dozen times, and if he resisted, 7 or 8 would beat him senseless with clubs. He would then be arrested for failing to follow commands in a timely manner, in addition to 36 other law violations.

72 posted on 08/06/2007 8:50:58 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Scotsman will be Free; M Kehoe

That was exactly my thought, as well.


73 posted on 08/06/2007 8:51:25 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: mylife

That’s a smart move to get it out in the open that you have the CCW. I had a buddy who went to school in New Mexico. Obtained some sort of federal license that he could carry back in New York City.

And this friend is black and originally from New York mind you. That really freaks out NY police officers when he’d have a run in. Not too often, but it did happen from time to time.

The officers always thought they were on to something. They’d be pretty surprised to hear this guy had a federal license. I still don’t know how he set that up.

New York City is home of the celebrity only right to carry.


74 posted on 08/06/2007 9:08:16 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: Dada Orwell

If you think there’s not bias in the media, just take a scan of the additional vids that YouTube teamed you up with on the page. THAT is lieberal trash! Interesting vid, showing that the only way to keep your rights is to exercise them.


75 posted on 08/06/2007 9:11:42 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: org.whodat

thanks for the responses guys. with regard to russell, the angry supporter....there is a reason why he gets testy with manchester PD. they locked him up and dragged his wife into a paddy wagon once for peaceably demonstrating outside a “free speech zone.” The president was coming to town (and so what?). Russell was at a bus stop, not on private property. Secret service refused to help prosecute him so the case was dismissed.

but yes it’s better not to get testy and especially i’m against humiliating government personnel in any way. The fact that they’re essentially our opponents makes it twice as important to treat them with kindness if at all possible.

Also here’s video of an earlier open carry incident with me and a Concord NH cop.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mu4Dr3B3Rg4

Turns out I spoke the guy’s native language. I will try to post a translation on the youtube site...

I’ve had three incidents in three years....the first one i was alone, these second two i had friends within running distance.


76 posted on 08/06/2007 9:18:54 PM PDT by Dada Orwell (www.freestateproject.org)
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To: dragnet2
“In LA, if this guy were walking down the street like that, they send out a tactical swat team, seal off a 10 block perimeter...”

In LA they have reason to respond this way. I don’t like the fact that some cops do not like citizens carrying protection, but they are dealing with an armed unknown when they approach you. The gentleman in the video had a calm demeanor and explained what he was doing. The idiot in the striped shirt could have gotten someone shot.

If you want to educate cops about your rights, visit the local police station. Don’t beg for a confrontation on the streets. The same refrain the officers show to you could land them dead tomorrow.

Armed people should always be respectful and not let their friends dare the other armed person show restraint.

77 posted on 08/06/2007 9:55:52 PM PDT by Borian (Don't mess with Texas...)
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To: Borian
The idiot in the striped shirt could have gotten someone shot.

Not hardly. He didn't do anything to provoke a shooting for any reason. Being stupid isn't illegal. Even in LA they would have just broke his knee caps n' choked him off for good measure, then arrested him for running an over sized mouth without a muffler.

78 posted on 08/06/2007 10:10:20 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

“He didn’t do anything to provoke a shooting for any reason. Being stupid isn’t illegal.”

Waving his hand in front of a cops face multiple times while he is covering his partner might not be a shooting offence but could have escalated a peaceful sitution into all parties trying to defend themselves. Being stupid may not be illegal but just might get you shot. Your father should have told you not to play with guns. No matter what point is trying to be made.


79 posted on 08/06/2007 10:33:55 PM PDT by Borian (Don't mess with Texas...)
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To: Borian
Your father should have told you not to play with guns. No matter what point is trying to be made.

I have no idea what your talking about. I've already told you in other specific areas of this country they would have jackhammered the mouth and arrested him for interfering. These small town cops were obviously intimidated by the camera and the mouth. It they performed like this in other venues I know of, they wouldn't survive 5 minutes.

80 posted on 08/06/2007 10:44:56 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
Not hardly. He didn't do anything to provoke a shooting for any reason.

Striped shirt dude is probably going to get a wood shampoo one of these days.

81 posted on 08/06/2007 10:50:26 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Dada Orwell

Hey buddy, AD here. :) Stay out of the klink, because then Chris is the only one who can bring a handgun if you stay the night in MA again. I’ll visit you in jail and bring you cigarettes, but they probably won’t let me bring you Reyka vodka when you’re locked up. hahahaha


82 posted on 08/06/2007 11:29:46 PM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Copernicus
I never said there were warnings given, I would have given the guy in the striped shirt two warnings then if he continued, cuff’s.

As a LE you don’t let anyone, bystander or not take control of the situation and in this case, based on the video, Mr Striped Shirt was trying to do that. Why do you think backup was arriving as Mr. SS continued with his BS. Answer, he was inflaming the situation and MPD was not about to loose control.

The camcorder, in NH use of recording devices of an individual or individuals, in an area where one would expect not to be recorded, is illegal unless permission is given by the subjects being recorded. Walking down the street with 3 of your friends, and someone comes up to you with a CC 5 feet away and begins recording you is a crime, recording a group people at a ball game is not. Based on the video, Mr. SS and the guy carrying gave their permission since they were doing recording. So the cop objects to the CC, not outside his authority to object.

83 posted on 08/07/2007 2:56:49 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: mylife
If I understand your question, So youre saying, had it been you, It would have never escalated to this level? I would have warned Mr. SS twice, to stop interfering with the LE's he started with the SP Off., then jumped in front of the MPD Off., this is a no, no.

Again I don't follow you, Mr stripey shirt would have never gotten agitated because you would have never agitated him.. My opinion, Mr. SS was part of Freemen, but he was there for himself, he was trying to agitate the SP then the MPD.

I also suspect the guy carrying walks around outside the meeting location, on the days of their meetings until he is spotted by LE, then makes the call.

84 posted on 08/07/2007 3:21:32 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: tiger-one

Well it is a good thing you are off the street. We don’t need anymore people instigating violence.


85 posted on 08/07/2007 3:40:12 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: School of Rational Thought
You must still be in School
86 posted on 08/07/2007 3:44:11 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: tiger-one

The idea that a LEO can object to a public videotaping of his actions, and make it stick legally, is one that none of us should accept. They are public servants, not civil masters.


87 posted on 08/07/2007 5:15:33 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster
I had a “stop” who wanted to record my conversation with him during the stop. Told him no, he complied.
88 posted on 08/07/2007 5:39:06 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: tiger-one
As a LE you don’t let anyone, bystander or not take control of the situation and in this case, based on the video, Mr Striped Shirt was trying to do that. Why do you think backup was arriving as Mr. SS continued with his BS. Answer, he was inflaming the situation and MPD was not about to loose control.

Which is exactly why some parts of some cities have become no travel zones for just about everyone. The people in those areas no longer cede control to the bluster of someone with a badge. And it will only get worse from here on out.

This Officer initiated a confrontation with a pedestrian based on bad information given to him by his Command and proceeded to engage in provocative acts that could land him in Civil Court for acting outside his authority.

As you and I both know, the reason backup was there and continued to arrive was because of radio traffic prior to the stop.

It would be very interesting to learn the nature of that radio traffic and the characterizations of the incident made by the officers involved.

Pass the word to all your fellow Brothers of the Badge, you are not lawyers and you are not prison guards when you are on patrol.

Do not let your administrators trick you into believing that you must be some kind of babysitter in some irrational Nanny State Government.

A number of street savvy PEACE OFFICERS (not cops) have learned this the hard way.

You want a war on seatbelts, a war on so-called domestic violence, a war on carbon emmissions and whatever else some political bureaucrat can imagine do not be surprised when a battlefield forms and casualties mount.

The camcorder, in NH use of recording devices of an individual or individuals, in an area where one would expect not to be recorded, is illegal unless permission is given by the subjects being recorded. Walking down the street with 3 of your friends, and someone comes up to you with a CC 5 feet away and begins recording you is a crime, recording a group people at a ball game is not. Based on the video, Mr. SS and the guy carrying gave their permission since they were doing recording. So the cop objects to the CC, not outside his authority to object.

Again, I cannot imagine who told you this and why you believe them. There is NO expectation of privacy on a public sidewalk or even in a place of public accomodation or common area. Bureaucrats and politicians the world over are nearly unanimous on this point.

It would amaze me if NH could write a law to bypass that and make it stick and it would be a bizzare precedent to boot.

If you have a citation I would be interested to see it.

As public servants Police have even fewer rights.

Best regards,

89 posted on 08/07/2007 6:06:17 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: tiger-one
You might find this an interesting overview:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FoU7ZpD8OC8&mode=related&search=

Best regards,

90 posted on 08/07/2007 6:25:39 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: mamelukesabre
He got right up into my face and screamed at me. Then he gave me the whole BS nonsense with searching me and checking every little thing. I could have refused I think, but I didn’t want to get thrown down and beaten. He was that angry. I ended up with a ticket for running a stop sign. It was a total lie. I never ran a stopsign. I paid it anyway though. Didn’t feel like taking off work to go to court. There were no witnesses. It was a dark sidestreet. Only me and him. It was pretty scary.

Now reading this, some people might understand why cops abusing their authority makes Russell Kanning very angry.

91 posted on 08/07/2007 6:59:30 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Hot Tabasco
That being the case, I'm not about to create a stir by exercising my right. I do have common sense......

Then you DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT.

The same thing happened in Ohio - it got to the point where cops were making screaming, gun-waving felony stops on people simply because they were walking down the street minding their own business wearing a sidearm.

We carry openly here in New Hampshire and put up with the hassle of educating ignorant cops because we NEVER want to get to that point.

92 posted on 08/07/2007 7:01:43 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: narby
I support the 2nd amendment as much as anyone. But in the game of real world politics, carrying as an attempt to “educate” I think is more likely to backfire and result in the end of open carry.

An attempt here in New Hampshire to pass a law allowing issuing authorities to deny concealed-carry licenses on the basis of "guilt by association" by changing about half a dozen words resulted in about 500 people turning out for the hearing, packing the hearing room and the halls of the statehouse.

In order to end open carry, they would have to repeal Article 2 and 2a of the State Constitution here, and they could probably expect about 50,000 people surrounding the statehouse for that hearing.

So "real world politics" in your state might be a bit different than the "real world politics" here in New Hampshire. And we will continue to open carry in spite of the threats from uneducated cops, to put an end to those threats.

93 posted on 08/07/2007 7:05:46 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: yooper
There has got to be a better way of educating the cops than this; not to mention the fact that they may be needed elsewhere while you're making your point.

A couple of years ago, the Director of the Department of Public Safety put out a notice in the State Police newsletter about open carry and concealed carry license issuance. It was very clear.

Unfortunately, they still need educating. Now they have a YouTube video to e-mail to their friends as an audio-visual example of what NOT to do about open carry in New Hampshire.

Needed elsewhere for what? Arresting people for smoking in a restaurant or something?

94 posted on 08/07/2007 7:08:21 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mamelukesabre
I got pulled over for eating a hamburger while riding my harley.

Holy Moses! How the hell did you shift?

95 posted on 08/07/2007 7:09:24 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: tiger-one
The guy was carrying was wrong when he said you don’t see this below the notches. He means an area here in NH about 2 plus hour drive from Manchester. It is not unusual to see open carry around the Concord area 15 miles from Manchester.

That's because Dave, myself, and various others make a point to carry openly, so that they won't have that excuse any more when they decide to hassle someone who is not breaking any laws.

96 posted on 08/07/2007 7:10:31 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Copernicus
Interesting.

On the topic of open or concealed carry. I have done both before my LE days. I prefer a non multilevel retention holster. That is the gun is held in place by friction, no locks, straps or buttons. Now, why would anyone carry in the open with my preferred holster? Would they carry in the open in any area, with any type of holster, possibly be subjected to having their gun stolen and they are injured or killed for it? I enjoy th element of surprise, more than risk of being a victim for my gun.

97 posted on 08/07/2007 7:10:59 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Dada Orwell
Kick the guy in the striped shirt out of your club right now, before he gets someone hurt really bad. What a dick.
98 posted on 08/07/2007 7:13:29 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: dragnet2
In LA, if this guy were walking down the street like that, they send out a tactical swat team, seal off a 10 block perimeter, set up command posts, shoot the cell phone out of his hand, ... etc etc ...

I used to live in the People's Police State of Kalifornia too. I left for New Hampshire for just this sort of reason.

99 posted on 08/07/2007 7:13:58 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: romanesq
And this friend is black and originally from New York mind you. That really freaks out NY police officers when he’d have a run in. Not too often, but it did happen from time to time.

In New York City they've shot black undercover officers if they spot a gun, so saying it "freaks them out" is quite an understatement.

100 posted on 08/07/2007 7:15:03 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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