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1 posted on 08/07/2007 9:14:17 PM PDT by gpapa
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It AFRICA folks...
What the hell did you honestly expect?


2 posted on 08/07/2007 9:37:48 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: gpapa
Postapartheid Pretoria has become the free world's leading coddler of dictators.

This sounds like a case study in Freudian sociology, if their is such a thing.

3 posted on 08/07/2007 9:41:11 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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To: gpapa

South Africa is about a couple of decades behind Zimbabwe. Who will be their Mugabe?


7 posted on 08/07/2007 11:26:11 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Man·dela
Pronunciation: man-’de-l&
Function: biographical name
Nelson Rolihlahla 1918-The matured idiocy adored by American and European leftists and leading useful idiot.

See also: Jimmah Carter


9 posted on 08/07/2007 11:52:25 PM PDT by WildcatClan (1 vote, 3 choices: 1) Socialism 2) Bush Redux 3) DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: gpapa; Clive; blam; Dog

It’s bizarre to see the Black government of South Africa embrace the lilly white Aryan government of Iran (”Iran” is Persian/Farsi for “Aryan”).

The Aryans do NOT share the ANC’s communistic/socialistic values/ideology (certainly athiesm, animalism, paganism, etc.).


10 posted on 08/08/2007 12:09:11 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: gpapa

Bump!


11 posted on 08/08/2007 5:13:52 AM PDT by F-117A (Mr. Bush, have someone read UN Resolution 1244 to you!!!)
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My wife was raised in South Africa. I’ve been there twice. Many of my in-laws live there and they keep us appraised of what they think.

The South Africa that I saw last year had a positive attitude and vibrancy that was missing when I went there in 1996. I have never seen so many beautiful black women in my entire life. Even out in the townships, there was many new businesses, lots of construction, and a scattering of homes that looked like an American suburban house.

The difference between South Africa and the rest of the continent is the makeup of the population. There are lots of people there who aren’t African, and that includes more than just the descendents of the Dutch and English. There are lots of Indians and Pakistanis, Chinese, Europeans, and the offspring of mixed-race parents. South Africa has the same kind of illegal immigrant problem that we have for the same reason that we have - it’s a much better economy than its neighbors.

What about Mugabe? I asked this question point blank to an Afrikaner man at the campsite next to us while we were on holiday. First, he (and none of the other Afrikaners I talked with) had a speck of “white guilt.” He expressed enormous pride in the country’s infrastructure and progress. Then he looked at me with a narrowed eyes and said, “If it happens, we’re ready for it.” Another Mugabe would precipitate a war in South Africa that would be bloody and protracted, and people there seem to be weary of any more fighting.

What about the blacks? I talked with lots of them, too. All of them expressed admiration for America, telling me that they believed America was a golden land for blacks, citing Oprah and millionaire rock stars. Most wanted to emigrate here. There was a lot of tribal loyalty and intertribal antagonism, which meant that lots of blacks (especially the Zulus in KwaZulu-Natal) saw the ANC government as a kleptocracy run by the Sotho and Xhosa. In other words, the blacks are not a monolith.

It’s true that South Africa is at a crossroads 13 years after the apartheid. Talking with South Africans made me realize that 13 years after the Constitution was approved were some really harsh years in American history, too - the fights between the Federalists and Anti-federalists, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the chaos on the western frontier. So I can see the possibility of a positive outcome in South Africa.


13 posted on 08/08/2007 9:31:23 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: gpapa
Mr. Kirchick is assistant to the editor in chief of The New Republic.

A Chrissy Matthews "HA!" seems appropriate.

14 posted on 08/08/2007 10:45:49 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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