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The term "surrender" has become newspeak worthy of an Orwell novel.
1 posted on 08/09/2007 10:20:24 AM PDT by Equality 7-2521
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His position is supported by those of such greats as Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe.

All of these people are dead. We don't know what they would say about the current conflict. It is far too complex to simply take some quote by Washington and attribute it to the current situation. I do doubt, however, that any of them would want our country to commit suicide.

2 posted on 08/09/2007 10:22:55 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian)
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How about a word on RETREAT?

How about a word on CUT-N-RUN?

How about a word on RUNNING AWAY WITH YOUR TAIL BETWEEN YOUR LEGS?

How about a word on ABANDONING YOUR FRIENDS TO MASS MURDER?


3 posted on 08/09/2007 10:23:41 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; George W. Bush; Borax Queen; nicmarlo; CJ Wolf

Can whoever has the Ron Paul ping list ping them please? To you others, this is germane to what we were discussing on the “TV Ads” thread.


4 posted on 08/09/2007 10:24:22 AM PDT by Equality 7-2521 ("Ron Paul, the only rational Republican" --BadEye)
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Excellently written piece


5 posted on 08/09/2007 10:24:45 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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His position is supported by those of such greats as Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe.

What a silly article. I thought all the founding fathers were dead.

6 posted on 08/09/2007 10:25:26 AM PDT by HoustonTech
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This article is in reply to all of the neo-conservatives who attempt to castigate Rep. Ron Paul for his stance on the Iraq conflict.

It's the Jooooooooooooooooooos and neocons promoting the fluoridation our water supply to rob us of our precious bodily fluids....

7 posted on 08/09/2007 10:25:28 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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The word “surrender” appropriately comes from the French language


10 posted on 08/09/2007 10:27:01 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (You forget something every day)
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Also by this guy:
End The Drug War: The Costs Outweigh The Benefits

see:
http://blog.flada.com/2007/01/27/end-the-drug-war-the-costs-outweigh-the-benefits/

As I said before:

The support Ron Paul because he wants to legalize drugs.


11 posted on 08/09/2007 10:27:52 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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“His position is supported by those of such greats as Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe.”

So this crackpo-o-blog channeled up the spirits of these past forefathers and asked them who they were supporting in 2008. Amaaaazing.

I seriously doubt they would support Ron “surrender” Paul

13 posted on 08/09/2007 10:28:49 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President.)
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Paul has taken the principled stance that we should remove our troops from Iraq immediately. His position is supported by those of such greats as Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe.

If the above leaders had witnessed the murder of 800 plus Americans between 1972 and 9/11....and then witnessed the WTC collapse...they’d beat the livin hell out of Ron Paul on ‘general principal’ alone.

Sheesh.


22 posted on 08/09/2007 10:33:01 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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What did we do in response to unrestricted submarine warfare from Germany? We went to war.

What did we do in response to Japan attacked our naval base in Pearl Harbor? We went to war.

What did we do in response to Islamic extremists flying aircraft into the World Trade Center? We went to war.

I’m all for going back to our isolationist policy again, but if somebody attacks us they will be damn sure we’ll fight back and win.


25 posted on 08/09/2007 10:33:49 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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s position is supported by those of such greats as Thomas Paine, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and James Monroe.

Actually, they would probably have had Ron Paul shot by firing squad for treason.

30 posted on 08/09/2007 10:36:34 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson - POTUS 44)
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In opposition to every other Republican in the race, Paul has taken the principled stance that we should remove our troops from Iraq immediately.

The Dems agree with him - lets surrender now.

I don't agree with them, so naturally, I won't be voting for Ronnie.

31 posted on 08/09/2007 10:36:49 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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New Hampshire "Live Free Or Die," voiced by General John Stark, the state’s most distinguished hero of the Revolutionary War

Choose life has a dual purpose for Ron Paul in this post.

Keep terrorists on the run so we wont have to run from terrorists

33 posted on 08/09/2007 10:38:01 AM PDT by april15Bendovr
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Bush cut and ran [e.g. surrendered] from bin Laden.
37 posted on 08/09/2007 10:43:08 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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“The term “surrender” has become newspeak worthy of an Orwell novel.”

That’s rich coming from Paulistinians, who hang out with truthers, isolationists, and black helicopter watchers.


41 posted on 08/09/2007 10:45:42 AM PDT by DesScorp
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Your first mistake was using Wikipedia...the entries can be (and are) edited on-line by anyone to fit certain agendas. A real dictionary describes it as "To give oneself up, as to an enemy."

If we leave Iraq now, we will be surrendering to Al Qaeda as they will see us as weak AGAIN. Maybe you and Ron Paul have forgotten the fact (see 9/11 Commission Report) that Bin Laden and other jihadists bragged that the Beirut and Somalia retreats inspired them, but I haven't. IMHO, Ron Paul can GTH.

46 posted on 08/09/2007 10:54:36 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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His comments are also the words of Cindy Sheehag.

Pray for W and Our Troops


54 posted on 08/09/2007 11:02:28 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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Can’t remember another presidential candidate running his campaign in Palestine. He is doing well apparently in the polls with Hamas, Hezbollia, Syrians, and others who are our enemies. Maybe he will run for president in Palestine next. He might win.


74 posted on 08/09/2007 12:21:53 PM PDT by free_life
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Quotes by famous people sound nice but are ultimately pretty meaningless, especially when you consider that they lived in a time where isolation was far, far more practical.

All we need to do is look at history to see the multitude of examples of how isolationist and non-interventionist policies in the face of a growing threat have made matters far, far worse.

Where are all the great instances of where non-interventionism has caused growing problems to go away and brought lasting peace and prosperity?

If people want a real world example to open their eyes, I suggest they visit a relatively high crime area, blindfold themselves really well, and then handcuff themselves to a phone pole, and attach a sign to themselves saying "I want to be left alone". They should keep enough food and water on hand for a day or so, and have someone come and free them after that time passes.

The they can see how well non-interventionism works.

They can see if they are left alone.

They can see if no one bothers them.

They can see if no one steals their wallet or other possessions. Maybe even their food and water.

Maybe someone else will take pity on them and take steps to protect them, or bring them something to eat or drink once the stuff they had is stolen.

Maybe they can survive on the generosity of others after they have foolishly lost what they had and refused to adequately defend. You can't defend what is yours when you blindfold yourself and ignore what is happening around you.

Dr. Paul is a fool. He is a fool that refuses to learn from history and a fool that refuses to exercise common sense. He seems to believe that if we ignore problems and wish really hard for them to go away, they will disappear, or maybe someone else will deal with them so we won't have to do so. While our attempts at intervening have not always worked out well, usually due to a lack of will to follow through, failing to act has cost us dearly time and time again.

79 posted on 08/09/2007 12:46:10 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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