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LIBERAL APPLE FALLS FAR FROM GIULIANI TREE
NY POST ^ | August 10, 2007 | VOX POPULI

Posted on 08/10/2007 6:05:54 AM PDT by Liz

THE ISSUE: Caroline Giuliani's support for Sen. Barack Obama

**** Giuliani will not fit the mold of the ideal conservative candidate. We need another candidate, not to just announce conservative values, but to live them. NAME REDACTED Brookville

**** In 1956, Adlai Stevenson's ex-wife wrote to Chicago newspapers detailing why she was voting for President Eisenhower. Brooklyn

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carolinegiuliani; giuliani; liberalgiulian; liberalrudy; lizhanover; moralitypolice; obama; rinogiuliani; rinorudy; rudy
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To: Reagan Man

BS, you appear to only see Black and White. I am not an one issue voter the focuses on abortion as my political philosophy. The fact is that most people in this country do not want to criminalize abortion. I don’t like it but, frankly, I don’t have a problem with first trimester abortions, or abortions to save the life of the woman.
Tell me, if your Wife or Daughter was raped and got pregnant, what would you do?


21 posted on 08/10/2007 7:39:38 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: FiCon
The debate was about Giuliani and the GOP nomination. You're jumping the gun and being a defeatist. Its way too early to give up.

If Fred Thompson makes it official, conservatives will have a viable candidate to support. He'll still have to prove himself worthy of conservative support. I think there is a good chance he can. Two of his priorities are reforming the federal tax code and reforming SocSec and Medicare entitlements. FredT believes in Federalism, aka. limited government.

The best news in the GOP nomination process so far? FredT has knocked a significant amount from Rooty`s support. With more to come.

22 posted on 08/10/2007 7:40:54 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: gondramB
You know what is a little scary - If Rudy/Obama got together. Rudy’s policies are not so different that it would keep Obama supporters for voting for them.

NY POST REPORT: RUDY BACKS OBAMA PLAN During the recent GOP presidential debate in Iowa, all the other Republican candidates slammed Obama for saying he would go after terrorists in Pakistan if that country's leadership refused to do so...... Giuliani said Obama had a point.

23 posted on 08/10/2007 7:42:57 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
>>>>>BS, you appear to only see Black and White.

I believe that life begins at conception. That is not BS. And this debate goes beyond the abortion issue.

Liberals like Hillary, Obama, Edwards and Giuliani support big government and expanding welfare state entitlements. They advocate gun control and abortion on demand, gay rights and amnesty for illegals, along with advancing liberal global warming BS that man is destroying the environment. That is not what conservatism or the GOP stand for.

As Mayor of NYC Rooty did nothing to reduce city services or cut spending. He left behind a huge deficit and an expanded debt, exceeded only by the federal debt. A debt higher than the shortfall for the entire state of California at the time.

Rudy is not someone who can be trusted on social issues or fiscal issues. He is a first class opportunist, an authoritarian and would be better suited as a Democrat, than a Republican. A vote for Rooty Toot is a vote for liberalism.

25 posted on 08/10/2007 7:44:06 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Liz
If you think the Republican Party just is NOT liberal enough--and isn't moving to the LEFT fast enough--there IS a Republican candidate out there for you!

If you want a more authoritarian, bullying, more intrusive, more controlling, all-powerful, ‘big government knows best’, 'Big Brother' type of government,,,,,

headed by a pro-abortion, pro-amnesty, pro-litigation, gun-grabbing, gay-rights crusading, condescending, arrogant, and narcissistic LIBERAL, New York ‘pit bull’ lawyer who believes in sanctuary cities, global warming, and using our tax money for Federally-funded abortions,,,,

who worked in the Bobby Kennedy campaign, voted for George McGovern, who first ran for mayor as a candidate of the LIBERAL PARTY, who as mayor publicly distanced himself from Ronald Reagan, who vocally supported and proudly endorsed a far-left, liberal, big-government, socialist, democrat like Mario Cuomo over the Republican candidate for governor (because the Republican wanted to cut taxes ‘too much’),,,,

who was SO liberal that he wasn’t even invited to the Republican Convention in ’96--after refusing to endorse (until the last minute) the Republican candidate opposing Clinton,,,,

and a cousin-marrying, Clinton-apologist--whose personal life is an absolute TRAIN WRECK (and whose public cheating on his wife almost makes Bill Clinton look like a decent family man and loving husband--if that is even possible),,,,

a LIBERAL like Rudy JulieAnnie is JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB!!!!

26 posted on 08/10/2007 7:48:31 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: Reagan Man
Reagan Man, I like your name, and we probably agree on many things. I do respect your opinion on life at conception. The Catholic Church one disagreed and didn’t have a problem with abortion early in pregnancy. I think that what makes abortion such a tough issue is that both sides are right to some degree. There is life at conception, and a woman should have some rights regarding her own body. My more libertarian beliefs allow me to see both sides.

Giulilani turned around NYC bigtime. What he accomplished is amazing. It is understandable that he could not do all that he wanted.
I think he will focus on national defense and security, along with fiscal responsibility. If you don’t agree, I understand. I will support Rudy if the gets the nomination, and do with with vigor.

29 posted on 08/10/2007 7:53:48 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: FiCon
>>>>>Thompson voted for, and continues to support, the markedly unConstitutional McCain-Feingold bill.

Yeah, he voted for it, but that is not a total disqualifier. After all, Pres Bush signed CFR into law.

"Conceding that McCain-Feingold hasn’t worked as intended, and is being riddled with new loopholes, he throws his hands open in exasperation. “I’m not prepared to go there yet, but I wonder if we shouldn’t just take off the limits and have full disclosure with harsh penalties for not reporting everything on the Internet immediately.”

Fred Thompson, Wall St Journal, March.18,2007

30 posted on 08/10/2007 7:55:27 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: angcat
This should be sent to the Hazleton Standard Speaker a rag paper who thinks Judy is the Princess Diana of Hazleton.

Talk about a campaign killer. Rooty's third wife is the equivalent of swallowing arsenic.

NBC did a great hit piece on the snarky couple last PM ----actually showed the never-before-seen vid of Rooty saying Jooty is a "bio-terror expert."

(waiting for hysterical laughter to die down)

Rooty has also said he employs Jooty's "expertise" when consulting clients in his several global consulting businesses.

Guess nurse Jooty "learned bio-terrorism" as a puppy-stapling, medical supplies salesman (snicker).

NBC also snipped the devastating 20/20 tidbit showing Rooty saying Jooty would "sit in" on Cabinet meetings (sounded like he'd even give her a Cabinet seat).

After that bombshell, Rooty dropped 20 points---and has lost about 25 points, to date.

I wonder if Rooty's still in love? ROTFLMCO.

31 posted on 08/10/2007 7:55:59 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: FiCon
Read the following and get back to me later. Gotta run.

From the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research (Edmund J. McMahon):

"Even with the tax cuts of the last several years, New York remains by far the most heavily taxed big city in the country."

TAXES: From 1996-2001 Giuliani and the City Council agreed to reduce mariginal city income taxes by some $2.0-billion, an effort that offset the $1.8-billion tax increase put in place by Mayor Dinkins a few years earlier. So in reality, individual city income taxes were actually cut by a modest $200-million. Freezing the 12.5% surcharge on high wage earners was good, but Giuliani made no effort to abolish that surcharge. Nor did Giuliani attempt to make permanent changes to the city income tax code. The primary reason Rudy and the City Council agreed to cut business taxes, was to make NYCity more appealing to companies thinking about locating/relocating to the Big Apple. A smart move, however, when Rudy left office he left NYCity straddled with some of the highest income taxes, property taxes and utility rates in the entire nation.

GOVERNMENT SPENDING: Spending under Rudy`s reign as Mayor went up 35.6%, compared to the inflation rate of 22.2%. Rudy left NYCity with a projected, pre-9/11 deficit of $2.0 billion and an increased debt total topping $42-billion. Second largest debt after the federal government. Giuliani also added 15,000 new teachers to the city employment rolls. Increasing the membership of two major liberal organizations, the National Education Association (NEA) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT).

"The scope of government was not reduced at all. The mayor abandoned his most visible initiative in this sphere—the proposed sale of the city hospital system—after a struggle with the unions and defeats in the courts. He did cut costs in social services; even before the new federal welfare reforms took effect in 1997, the city had begun to significantly reduce caseloads. But money saved on social services has only helped to subsidize big increases in other categories. Today the array of social services sponsored and partially funded by the city—from day care to virtually guaranteed housing—is as wide as ever.

"In the final analysis, Mayor Giuliani sought to make the city deliver services more efficiently—not to make the city deliver fewer services. Gains in efficiency were offset, however, by a spike in the costs of outsourced contracts (see point 2 below). Thus, in two areas where inroads might have been made, the city instead failed to reduce spending."

"1. Personnel Increases. In 1995–96, the city entered into a series of collective bargaining agreements with its public-employee unions. In addition to granting pay increases that ended up roughly equaling inflation, the city promised not to lay off any workers for the life of the contracts. These agreements were expected to add $2.2 billion to the budget by fiscal 2001. But that estimate didn’t reckon with renewed growth in the number of city employees. After dipping in Giuliani’s first two years, the full-time headcount rose from 235,069, in June 1996 to over 253,000 by November 2000. Thanks largely to this growth in the workforce, the total increase in personnel service costs since 1995 has been $4 billion.

2. "Outsourced Services. The failure to shrink the scope of city government made it all the more imperative that Mayor Giuliani vastly increase its efficiency. In the attempt to increase productivity, the mayor farmed out some city services to private contractors. But as the number of outsourced contracts doubled under Giuliani, contractual expenses also nearly doubled—from $3 billion to $5.8 billion. While it may be argued that the city saved money by outsourcing these services, the net savings turned out to be marginal at best. In practice, outsourcing proved to be more of a bargaining chip in negotiations with unions than a serious means of pruning expenses."

Hard evidence that Rudy Giuliani was NO fiscal conservative. Another run-of-the-mill NYCity liberal.

32 posted on 08/10/2007 7:57:48 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Brilliant

How do we know it’s not just a political publicity stunt so he can pose as Reagan’s ghost? When I heard that, my first thought was of Ronald Reagan.


33 posted on 08/10/2007 7:58:26 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: FiCon
Several posters have pointed out that Rudolph Giuliani is week on WOT. His comments on illegal aliens prove it. He opposed even a fence on the border. He is unfit to lead any WOT.
34 posted on 08/10/2007 7:59:43 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
>>>>>Giulilani turned around NYC bigtime.

Many liberals and libertarians would agree with you.

As a conservative, I do not. Read #32 and get back to me later. Gotta run.

35 posted on 08/10/2007 7:59:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I will support Rudy if the gets the nomination, and do with with vigor.

I could never, EVER vote for Giuliani. I could never vote for him because I feel strongly that (as I oft state on here)...

Liberal Republicans are much more dangerous than liberal democrats,,,,

because liberal Republicans (like JulieAnnie) BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism,,,

making LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE!!!

The permanent loss of 'conservative identity' of the Republican Party is much, MUCH too high of a long-term price to pay.

36 posted on 08/10/2007 8:00:10 AM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative candidate who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal one to DIVIDE it!)
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To: Clemenza

Production style-—looks better on newsprint.


37 posted on 08/10/2007 8:01:48 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; indylindy; TommyDale; calcowgirl; nicmarlo; stephenjohnbanker; ...

ping


38 posted on 08/10/2007 8:02:37 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: stockstrader; Condor51; narses; Spiff
......liberal Republicans (like JulieAnnie) BLUR THE DISTINCTION between conservatism and liberalism....The permanent loss of the Republican Party's 'conservative identity' is much, MUCH too high of a long-term price to pay.........

You got that right. In point of fact, Rooty is on-record as conniving with his handlers to ditch social conservatives off the Repub party lifeboat.

That makes Rooty an individual very dangerous to the workings of democracy.

Rooty would handover the reins of the entire US government to liberals-----the system of checks and balances the Founders wisely wrote into the fledgling government would be decimated.

39 posted on 08/10/2007 8:11:12 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Liz
Jooty is a “bio-terror expert.”

LOL Maybe she had some experience in the coal mines of Hazleton. All the nobody high school classmates of her’s are coming out of the shadows and saying how “beautiful she was”. I have to laugh anything to get in the paper and kiss the ass of her parents and family. Rudy shelled out money to buy Judy’s dirt poor parents a condo in Florida. If I was one of Rudy’s kids I would make sure to get some of the money before it is spent on Judy’s Hazleton family. MEOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

40 posted on 08/10/2007 8:20:04 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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