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Cardholders Caught In Credit 'Trap': Report
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292872,00.html ^ | 8-10-07

Posted on 08/11/2007 6:39:42 AM PDT by Hydroshock

WASHINGTON — A "dangerous cycle of debt" is trapping too many credit-card holders, making it increasingly difficult to protect their financial security, according to a report.

About one-third of cardholders pay interest rates in excess of 20 percent, according to a report from New York-based think tank Demos. Also, borrowers with one slip-up can incur a "cascade" of penalties and end up in a "trap" of high-cost debt, the report said.

"The excuse of risk-based pricing is used to justify everything. These prices go far beyond pricing for risk. Some of these interest rates and payment fees seem to not accurately reflect the risk," said Tamara Draut, a co-author of the report.

Draut criticized practices such as card issuers retroactively applying rate increases. The authors also noted that companies can change terms at will, and that there are no legal bounds to the amount of fees and interest that borrowers can be charged.

"As a result, cardholders often borrow money under one set of conditions and end up paying it back under a different set of conditions," according to the authors.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: credit; creditcards; debt; debtbad; onetrickpony; personalfinance
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To: mysterio

“What about people who are in some kind of emergency,”

They should have savings to pay for those emergancies.

I have no sympathy for anyone that puts themselves in debt.


141 posted on 08/11/2007 11:25:50 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: mysterio

Those same “emergency borrowers” always seem to have a cell phone and a big TV.


142 posted on 08/11/2007 11:27:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I was talking to my wife last night about wanting a big scree plasma tv. We are talking about in November or December looking in the local pawn shops and paper. I figure there will be deals on almost new ones to be had after the arms reset for someone with cash.


143 posted on 08/11/2007 11:36:58 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Rightly Biased

>If you prove you did not make the purchases you are covered the same.<

A debit card takes your money from your checking account. There is no credit involved. It is not protected. It is the same as someone using your checkbook. When the cops catch them then you can sue the thief to get it back.

You don’t have to sigh to me about credit cards. I don’t like them either. They are a good way to maintain solid receipts on items that do have a manufacturers warranty though.


144 posted on 08/11/2007 11:40:16 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: dawn53

“I’m beating the system. I buy everything with a credit card that offers reward points. I never carry a balance, so I never pay interest. I get lots of “free stuff” with my reward points that I would otherwise have to pay for.”

You are not beating the system. You are using the system. The retailers that sell you stuff are paying 2-5% to the credit card company. That’s how I work as well. As long as you pay off the card every month, you will never have an interest or penalty charge.

I get a new tire, mounted and installed, every year (from my local Harley Davidson dealer) with the 1% points back. I’m thinking of changing to one of the plain old “cash back” cards, however.

Credit cards are a good thing if you are looking for convenience. They make Internet purchases without risk possible. I’m still wary of the debit card.


145 posted on 08/11/2007 11:59:21 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: B4Ranch

No my bank actually a credit union insures my purchases and protects illegitimate purchases with my debit card just like a credit card. And I know there is no credit involved that is why I use a debit card.


146 posted on 08/11/2007 12:05:48 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (Courage is not the lack of fear it is acting in spite of it<><)
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To: fleagle
There are many valid reasons (medical expenses, auto repair, unforseen emergencies) that people have to put on credit cards. Save your sanctimonious crap dude. Credit card companies suck. The average credit card holder does not.

OK, so let's say that many of the folks here get their wish and all the credit card companies are shut down. Now where do you get your emergency money? Why don't you get it there now?

147 posted on 08/11/2007 12:13:11 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: Moonman62
Donald Trump declared bankruptcy and he’s doing alright.

Donald Trump has never declared bankruptcy. One small corporate entity of his many dozens of corporate entities declared bankruptcy. There's a reason they do it like that.

148 posted on 08/11/2007 12:19:25 PM PDT by weaponeer
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To: dalereed
They should have savings to pay for those emergancies.

You really don't get it do you? Do you understand the number that the FED's policy of inflation has done on personal savings?? If you don't then you are one of the clueless idiots who keeps these clowns in NY and DC going.

149 posted on 08/11/2007 12:39:20 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: B4Ranch
I use Wachovia and they call their debit card a Visa check card. I don't know if there is any difference between that and a regular debit card. Here's what they say about protection from fraud (notice the words "confirmed fraud"...I'm not sure what that means.)

Convenient, easy, and safe.

Use your Visa Check Card at millions of merchant locations that accept Visa debit cards, thousands of network ATMs, to make purchases over the phone or on the Internet, or for automatic bill payments.

Purchase amounts are automatically deducted from your checking account, and all transactions are detailed on your monthly account statement with the merchant name, date, and amount

With Wachovia Check Card protection, if you become a victim of confirmed fraud, 100% of any missing money will be credited to your account the next day.

Using your Check Card instead of writing a check means personal information like your address, phone number, and driver's license number stay confidential.

150 posted on 08/11/2007 12:45:56 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Rightly Biased; dawn53
As I have said you can assume the risk if you want to.

I will not and will advise others not too as I get a chance.

Dawn53 is taking no risks at all. She has repeated several times that she uses the credit cards for purchases that she will pay off when they are due. In other words, she has the cash for the purchases. She just doesn't pay them during the purchase date. She pays them about 45 days later. In the meantime, that cash earns interest in her own account. And she also gets the reward points as well.

I use credit in the same way that Dawn53 and her family does, and we gain by doing so with no risk at all.

Anti-credit-card people may hate the credit card companies because they feel powerless against them. However, the credit-card companies hate people like Dawn53 and me because we have power over them.

151 posted on 08/11/2007 12:51:30 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Don't be a liberal surrendercrat!)
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To: Hydroshock

The new ones are coming down so fast, I doubt the pawn shops can compete


152 posted on 08/11/2007 12:53:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: dalereed

My local hospital charged me over double what they quoted me, then said “why don’t you just put itb on a credit card?”. Vultures....

I said no, btw. No medical bills on credit cards.


153 posted on 08/11/2007 1:09:36 PM PDT by MrLee
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To: dawn53

I am curious how many victims of confirmed fraud they reimburse annually. Not very many I’ll guess.


154 posted on 08/11/2007 1:11:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share.")
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To: B4Ranch

Well, my BIL did have a problem once with his debit card, and I can’t remember what he had to go through to prove it was fraud, but he did get the cash back into his account within a couple days (it was about $700.) But the way they word it does jump off the page at you.


155 posted on 08/11/2007 1:29:16 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: B4Ranch; Rightly Biased
I am personal friends with my bank manager. She told me that debit cards are much riskier than credit cards because someone using the card can clean out your account in minutes and you have no protection. Where with a credit card the most you can get stuck with is $50. Either way, I use cash for darn near everything.

Yes and no. Using a Debit card as a debit card does indeed not have nearly as much protection as a credit card. However, if you use your debit card as a credit card (with Visa or Mastercard), you do indeed have all of the same protections. Unless a thief knows your PIN #, you should be fine. It generally is easier however to contest a transaction on a 'real credit card' than a debit card.

156 posted on 08/12/2007 7:45:17 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Moonman62

Hydroshock believes that anyone who has fallen on dire straits apparently should just sit on the corner with a dude that looks like Tommy Chong, with a sign and a can, apparently...


157 posted on 08/12/2007 7:47:33 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred's Campaign: A hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close.)
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To: Hydroshock

So what if you lost your job today?


158 posted on 08/12/2007 7:48:42 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred's Campaign: A hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close.)
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To: Liberty Valance
You mean the 'new' bankruptcy laws that were written by the credit card companies themselves and made into law by the Republican controlled congress?

Yep, it was an evil act indeed. And DeLay and Bush squashed the sensible medical exemption. They treat those who are bankrupted by medical expenses the same as those who plaster their homes with plasmas and ignore their bills.

159 posted on 08/12/2007 7:49:55 AM PDT by montag813
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To: FreePaul

Stealing? You’re paying it back, with interest. That’s hardly stealing. You can argue that it is many things, stealing isn’t one.


160 posted on 08/12/2007 7:51:53 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred's Campaign: A hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close.)
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