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Double Whammy For Republicans (Ronald Brownstein Hold Muh Panky For Dying RINOs Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 08/12/2007 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 08/12/2007 12:27:53 AM PDT by goldstategop

Other conservatives in this dependably Republican state are unhappy with Graham for supporting the failed Senate effort to legalize illegal immigrants and for his role in the 2005 bipartisan compromise that preserved the right of the Senate minority to filibuster judicial nominees. In the midst of this unease, several local Republicans -- including the lieutenant governor -- have floated the possibility of challenging Graham from the right for the GOP Senate nomination next year.

In Connecticut, Republican Rep. Christopher Shays has a different problem. Last year, he narrowly survived a Democratic tide that left him the sole Republican holding a House seat in all of New England. Now, at a time when disapproval of Bush and the war appears even more intense across the Northeast than it was in 2006, Shays has already attracted a well-funded Democratic opponent (Jim Himes, a former Goldman Sachs vice president) who will face him in 2008.

Shays and Graham embody the two forms of dissent from the dominant conservative orthodoxy in the modern Republican Party. In one category are traditional moderates like Shays, who pursue a centrist course, especially on social and foreign policy issues, but whose numbers have relentlessly declined for decades. In the second are maverick figures like Graham or Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who are too conservative to be considered moderates but too eclectic and unpredictable to be considered reliable allies by the right. Both of these groups -- moderates and mavericks -- are under siege at a moment when Republicans are struggling to reach independent and swing voters disillusioned by Bush and the war.

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TOPICS: Editorial
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Ronald Browstein has a "Hold Muh Panky" for the dying RINOs this morning. He says its a double whammy for the Republican Party. He's no friend of the GOP - I say good riddance to the liberal turncoats in our ranks.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 08/12/2007 12:27:54 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

It’s the RINOs who are responsible for the 2006 losses.


2 posted on 08/12/2007 12:31:26 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: counterpunch
They lost big and the excrecable Chris Shays will soon be gone too. Then there's Graham, the weak sisters in Maine and Chuck Hagel.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 08/12/2007 12:34:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
And of course the dumbest man ever to sit in the Senate: George "RINO" Voinovich.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 08/12/2007 12:35:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
In one category are traditional moderates socialists like Shays, who pursue a centrist leftist course...
5 posted on 08/12/2007 12:52:21 AM PDT by XR7
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To: goldstategop

Sen. Coital Itch.


6 posted on 08/12/2007 12:53:37 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: XR7

Thank you. You could go nuts having to correct this silly man’s scribblings. Left is moderate, traitor is maverick, etc., etc.


7 posted on 08/12/2007 12:55:16 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: goldstategop

Voinovich, Warner, Specter, and above all, Hagel are by far the ones most in need of the boot. Be glad we are rid of Chaffey.


8 posted on 08/12/2007 12:58:01 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: XR7
There are no moderates in the GOP. The argument moderates would help the GOP keep control of Congress was destroyed in 2006 when the moderates were massacred in most of the country. The moderates contributed nothing to the Republican Party except to act as Trojan Horses for the Democrat agenda. Who needs phony liberals? Most lib voters now go for the real ones - Democrats.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 08/12/2007 12:59:17 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: counterpunch
Warner is retiring next year. Tom Davis, his potential replacement is another bubble-headed RINO from Northern Virginia.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 08/12/2007 1:00:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The moderates contributed nothing to the Republican Party except to act as Trojan Horses for the Democrat agenda.

That's why the MSM loves them so.

11 posted on 08/12/2007 1:04:32 AM PDT by XR7
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To: goldstategop

“There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil.”

AYN RAND


12 posted on 08/12/2007 1:06:38 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: counterpunch
I always got a kick out of the media calling Lincoln Chafee a "moderate." His voting record was exactly identical to Hillary Clinton's. That's not only liberal, that's far left.
13 posted on 08/12/2007 1:07:33 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: goldstategop

Warner isn’t officially retiring yet, but all signs do point to that.
Now if the GOP have any spine at all, they’ll nominate a solid conservative to run in his place. Perhaps Ollie North can run again. Warner endorsed an independent candidate when Ollie ran before.


14 posted on 08/12/2007 1:07:42 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: counterpunch
I'd love it if Ollie North were to run again for the Senate. But I don't think the Virginia GOP establishment is supportive. Its infested by a lot of tax and spend RINOs.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 08/12/2007 1:13:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

If that’s the case then this article is BS.
If “moderate” are who inhabit the state parties, then “moderate” candidates aren’t endangered at all.


16 posted on 08/12/2007 1:17:00 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: counterpunch
That's probably true. There are Republican pols eager to curry favor with the MSM. Its mostly a Beltway syndrome but the disease has been known to affect state parties as well.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 08/12/2007 1:22:56 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Shays has already attracted a well-funded Democratic opponent (Jim Himes, a former Goldman Sachs vice president) who will face him in 2008.

The cowardly Shays' answer will no doubt be to go even further left. Good riddance.

18 posted on 08/12/2007 1:24:47 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
He's the last Republican in New England. I think he's good as gone. Its a well deserved reward for the principal House author with Massachusetts Democrat Marty Meehan - of the BCRA law - better known on the Senate side as McCain-Feingold. Quite simply, his usefulness to the media and the Democrats is over.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 08/12/2007 1:28:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

It’s not the Republican politicians that are at issue so much.
A Republican politician cannot just run for office by fiat. He must be nominated by the rank and file. If rank and file Virginia Republican voters are spineless RINOs, then so will their candidates be in the general election. If they are solid conservatives, then they will nominate one.

It is ultimately up to the “grassroots” to put forth the candidate that represents their values.


20 posted on 08/12/2007 1:32:11 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: goldstategop
Who needs phony liberals? Most lib voters now go for the real ones - Democrats.
Well said.
21 posted on 08/12/2007 2:06:01 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: goldstategop
Will the last GOP voter in the party please turn out the lights before they leave?

BTW, I like this author's phrase, "insufficiently reliable" conservative. It is much more intellectual than "not good enough".

22 posted on 08/12/2007 3:14:41 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: goldstategop
The DBM's use of the terms 'moderate' and 'maverick' are a riot. A moderate Republican(Collins, Warner, Voinovich, Lugar) is a Democrats 'useful-fool' on certain issues. But a maverick Republican(McCain, Graham, Specter, Snowe, Hagel)... is one who can actually undermine his own party and cause long-term damage.

The bottom line is that they're all weak-sisters... and they vastly outnumber their counterparts across the aisle.

23 posted on 08/12/2007 4:35:34 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: Ben Ficklin
BTW, I like this author's phrase, "insufficiently reliable" conservative.
The Senate Republicans are almost completely comprised of insufficiently reliable conservatives, and reliably insufficient conservatives.

 
24 posted on 08/12/2007 5:04:26 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: goldstategop
Graham and Hagel yes. the "weak sisters" in Maine and Shays no they will must be replaced by people that you will be 100% in opposition to.

if anything I would not do in the moderates but the do nothing country clubbers that have been dominant in the GOP leadership since the time of Harding. They have no real agenda and are largely just status quo types who just leave the country in a sense of drift when they are running things. Are weak in defending themselves and articulating a message and are lacking in any creativity or imagination. They cannot think beyond the next election or change the structure to benefit us. They do not seize opportunities or see dangers (illegal immigration) until they are staring us down and then they just capitulate.

26 posted on 08/12/2007 5:37:30 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: counterpunch

That is exactly right and while I am as frustrated as everyone else there are worse things than RINOs. As far as I know every RINO voted for our Supreme court nominees with the exception of Chaffee. Would a Democrat have done so? I think not. If having a party full of purist(which I would like) means we are back down to 30% of the senate and house then how does that help us? These are northeastern states for the most part and to think those people are going to elect a true conservative at this time is not realistic, we still have some hearts and minds to change.


27 posted on 08/12/2007 5:40:55 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: counterpunch
"I say good riddance to the liberal turncoats in our ranks."

I say, as Rush often does, "right on, right on, right on."

28 posted on 08/12/2007 5:44:47 AM PDT by maxter
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To: counterpunch
It is ultimately up to the “grassroots” to put forth the candidate that represents their values.

Agreed.

29 posted on 08/12/2007 5:49:07 AM PDT by maxter
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To: counterpunch
It’s not the Republican politicians that are at issue so much. A Republican politician cannot just run for office by fiat. He must be nominated by the rank and file. If rank and file Virginia Republican voters are spineless RINOs, then so will their candidates be in the general election. If they are solid conservatives, then they will nominate one.

To an extent true. But the power in the Republican party lies in those who put up big chunks of money for primary campaigns. For the most part, these are businesses who see the government's role to be to let out a lot of big contracts to them and to leave them alone, except when it comes to preventing competition from other businesses.

By and large, the qualification to be a recipient of big primary money is: (1) You need to sound conservative enough to bring in the base; but (2) You need to be willing to play ball with the money guys when it's important. It frequently works out OK because the money guys just don't care too much one way or the other about many conservative causes--in fact, they may genuinely believe in some of them--low taxes strong national defense. So they don't mind if the base gets its way on those issues and often approve.

Social conservatism exposes this difficult coalition. Business R's don't like spending ANY political capital on abortion. The illegal immigration debate also exposed this divide but in a different way. The base and the money were on different sides of the issue. The stress that put on R politicians was enormous. Their donors were pushing hard one way. Their voters the other.

Back to your original point. As a practical matter, it is very unusual for a good conservative candidate to get past a primary in which a ball-player is his opponent. The ball-player gets all the money and his donors make sure that party officials who don't play ball pay a price.

So in an ideal world, primary voters would look past the money and nominate conservatives. In the real world, there is rarely a general election choice between a dem and a conservative. Rather, the choice is usually between a dem and the most conservative guy the money guys have to put up with to get him elected (depends on locale), but it is almost certainly someone with a record of playing ball when his masters say fetch.

30 posted on 08/12/2007 9:43:12 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

That is a pretty smart analysis.
But you know, there are always competing interests a candidate can seek out for contributions, including grassroots organizations.
And when it comes down to it, the people can and will rise up and win when it’s important, as with immigration. In the final analysis, the voters have the power, not the money men.


31 posted on 08/12/2007 9:57:04 AM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: XR7

The alternative to Shays this year is another Robber Barron from Sachs who views us as the proletariat who they can pilfer from. At least Shays is an honest man, lives in a modest house, and votes with his constituents. I’ve personally told him I don’t like the fact that he’s a lifer, but then I look at the alternative and things could be worse.


32 posted on 07/18/2008 11:38:48 AM PDT by bluedressman
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