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Immigration officials say they won't halt raids during 2010 census
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/17/07 | Stephen Ohlemacher - ap

Posted on 08/17/2007 5:52:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

The big cities want the illegals counted to boost their representation in Congress. But that is not how it should have ever been calculated. Representation should be based on the number of U.S. citizens only.

Consider how that could reduce the electoral impact of California.


21 posted on 08/17/2007 6:43:44 PM PDT by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: Lurker
It only says that they have to count those they find when the census is taken so if half of them are rounded up (I know, that's a pipe dream) by the time the census begins then they only have half as many to try and count.

I suspect this is a ploy to keep up or boost the congressional representation in states that harbor high numbers of illegals.

22 posted on 08/17/2007 6:48:22 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: NormsRevenge; Lurker

This was discussed on Hannity and Colmes tonight....and a Republican Rep? from Michigan, I think, said, yes the Census is supposed to count all (does not SAY citizens.) BUT, does the Constitution of the US apply to all people who are here...illegally? I would say not.


23 posted on 08/17/2007 7:04:54 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: NormsRevenge
“We won't entertain any request to scale back our efforts,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Kelly Nantel said Friday.

Guess what, Kelly...
You don't have the final word. You have a boss to answer to, he has his and the ultimate boss in the American citizen.
If you don't like that get the 'Help Wanted' classifieds ASAP.

Stand by.

24 posted on 08/17/2007 7:05:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The Constitution requires the Census Bureau to count everyone, including illegal immigrants, in the census.

I have seen that line six times in the last three days, but not once any Constitutional or statutory citation to back it up.

I didn't believe it the first time and I don't believe it now. Although I'm not from Missouri, show me!
Dammit.

25 posted on 08/17/2007 7:08:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Minutemen
It is done to compute representation in Congress

Easy enough to understand, but the nuances can get absurd.

If we are in the middle of an invasion from say, Canada, must they count the Canadian invading force for representation purposes?

Implicit is the (D'OH!) assumption that only citizens and legal residents may be represented.

26 posted on 08/17/2007 7:12:23 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: NormsRevenge

They damn sure better increase them!


27 posted on 08/17/2007 7:45:50 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What raids??


28 posted on 08/17/2007 7:58:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: wastedyears
Had one of the senseless bureaucrats knock an my door after I didn't return my mail census a few years ago,she looked all official,had a badge around her neck and a clipboard.

She told me it is required by law,I told her,get off my porch,I gotta go to work.

Two days later she's back,so I humored her with her questions,I don't think she thought my answers were as funny as I did;)

29 posted on 08/17/2007 9:29:45 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: kittymyrib

“On Lou Dobbs’ show tonight they asked the salient question: Why should CA keep getting more representation in Congress because of all the Mexican squatters, while a state like PA loses representation because it only has US citizens? Good question indeed.”

Overall, yes...California gains representation. Although the other hand, so do other ‘red’ states. Personally I distain the whole idea of gaining seats from illegal immigrants.

Last time I calculated, ‘red states’ would have roughly 6-10 more seats in the house if illegal immigrants weren’t counted. I don’t know what to expect in 2010. Hopefully none.


30 posted on 08/17/2007 9:42:45 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: B Knotts

You ever wonder why the supreme court appointment of our new chief justice was such a concern the ‘one person one vote’ supreme court decesions...there you go. Dems see a growing trend for them.


31 posted on 08/17/2007 9:45:22 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (The Anti-Federalists failed....so will the Anti-Frederalists)
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To: wastedyears; Publius6961
wastedyears: I believe it is in the Constitution.

Publius6961: I sure do not agree that illegal aliens or invading Canadian armies should be counted!

32 posted on 08/17/2007 11:28:41 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: NormsRevenge
“We won't entertain any request to scale back our efforts,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Kelly Nantel said Friday.

This guy is joking right? which efforts would those be? come on sure they caught a few thousand but still are doing nothing to get the other 10/12 million.

33 posted on 08/18/2007 6:37:41 AM PDT by Shots
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To: Minutemen
Why in H*LL would they? What are they lookin for? brownie points?

The higher your population is, the more federal hand outs you receive.

I could be wrong but I believe you also get more representation in congress, even if the extra people are not eligible to vote. A lot of the states with sanctuary cities have been losing population.

34 posted on 08/18/2007 6:47:46 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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"you also get more representation in congress"

That is the original intent of the census. ________________________________________________________

"the more federal hand outs you receive"

Yes, that is certainly a modern "unintended consequence"

35 posted on 08/18/2007 10:54:54 AM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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36 posted on 08/18/2007 1:21:13 PM PDT by gubamyster
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