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Cleansing the ACLU - Michigan and the case of Muslim footbaths
OpinionJournal.com ^ | August 19, 2007 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 08/18/2007 9:39:33 PM PDT by gpapa

The latest battle of religion in the public square is unfolding in Dearborn, Michigan, a city with one of the highest Muslim populations in the country. At the University of Michigan's local campus, administrators have recently refitted several school bathrooms to include small footbaths in the corner--an accommodation for Muslim students who must perform ritual washing as part of their daily observance. The issue has more than a few of the usual suspects trying to explain their way out of their usual positions on the separation of church and state.

The Detroit chapter of the ACLU has scrambled to find a way to recuse itself from the matter, claiming that the footbaths qualify as secular since they could be used by non-Muslims, and therefore don't cross the group's usual bright church-state line. Further, the ACLU explains, the university's decision to take on the $25,000 expense was motivated primarily "by health and safety" because some students didn't like washing their hands in the sinks after others students had washed their feet. If that hadn't been the case, the group says this religious accommodation would surely have merited greater investigation and criticism.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: aclu; dearborn; footbaths; muslims; muslimstudents

1 posted on 08/18/2007 9:39:36 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: gpapa
The Detroit chapter of the ACLU has scrambled to find a way to recuse itself from the matter, claiming that the footbaths qualify as secular since they could be used by non-Muslims...

"Hey Bubba, look at these new funny urinals they got in here!"

2 posted on 08/18/2007 9:45:12 PM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: MarineBrat
Would be a perfect place to give a bath to a pot belly pig.
3 posted on 08/18/2007 9:46:41 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: MarineBrat

Toss a little pork and bacon in these footbaths....


4 posted on 08/18/2007 9:47:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: MarineBrat

***”Hey Bubba, look at these new funny urinals they got in here!”***

Urinal is right!


5 posted on 08/18/2007 9:47:38 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Ever see WILLIS SHAW backwards in your rear view mirror? I have!)
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To: MarineBrat
"Hey Bubba, look at these new funny urinals they got in here!"

Great idea!!!

It reminds me of when the students at our high school took care of the entire facility. For a time, I was one of the janitors (we called it "Paid Work Crew," for $1.65 an hour). Well, it wasn't me, but you see, the school still used that yellow soap...

6 posted on 08/18/2007 9:55:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: gpapa

“Dearborn, Michigan, a city with one of the highest Muslim”

What is the un-employment rate of muslim countries vs this arm pit area of Michigan? Have they destroyed it like their own lands?


7 posted on 08/18/2007 10:02:52 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: gpapa
motivated primarily "by health and safety" because some students didn't like washing their hands in the sinks after others students had washed their feet.

Well, hey, how about you just don't wash your feet in the sink????

8 posted on 08/18/2007 10:06:00 PM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: MarineBrat

That and other things.


9 posted on 08/18/2007 10:18:38 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: gpapa

Scumbag athiest Democrat ACLU hypocrisy BUMP!


10 posted on 08/18/2007 10:21:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TASMANIANRED

11 posted on 08/18/2007 10:21:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (Alright, hold tight, I'm a highway staaaaaaaaaaaaarrr)
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To: gpapa

this is like the ACLU saying Nativity scenes are religious at Christmas but Menorah displays are just history of the time period.

(ie a scene depicting christs birth on his birth day is not a historical reference.)


12 posted on 08/18/2007 10:25:32 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Grampa Dave

Check this out...


13 posted on 08/18/2007 10:30:17 PM PDT by tubebender (My first great grandson is a Miniature Schnauzer...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, Bush says it’s “a religion of piss”


14 posted on 08/18/2007 10:32:13 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: gpapa

You’ve REALLY got to wonder whether there are Swiss bank accounts accessed by these ACLU lawyers which are regularly topped up by either the Iranians or the Saudis. They must be on the Muzzie payroll, it defies any other explanation. For instance, I’ve never seen a bouncer guarding a church door requesting Catholic membership cards. Aren’t these secular institutions also using ACLU “logic”?


15 posted on 08/18/2007 10:43:11 PM PDT by generalhammond (PC: liberal mind control and intimidation substituting for rational argument)
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To: gpapa

One would hope that they didn’t have a sign saying Muslims Only” and that anyone could wash their feet in the foot bath.


16 posted on 08/18/2007 11:02:51 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: gpapa

“Whoops, just dropped my koran into it. Just slid out of my hand like a greased pig.”


17 posted on 08/18/2007 11:14:55 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: gpapa
"....recently refitted several school bathrooms to include small footbaths in the corner--an accommodation for Muslim students who must perform ritual washing as part of their daily observance....[sic]"

I've covered this story from numerous different angles. A great place to start reading would be here - and enjoy the video as well.

Jackie Mason on Making Muslims Happy

18 posted on 08/18/2007 11:22:49 PM PDT by expatguy (New and Improved ! - Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: MarineBrat

It’s only right that the vertically challenged will have such a convenience in which to micturate..Allahu fubar!


19 posted on 08/18/2007 11:38:59 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty
My Response to Opinion Journal

Subject: Re: Cleansing the ACLU

Comment:

You might find the perspective of an American overseas living in a Muslim majority country interesting.

These "foot basins" exist here as well, but they are in a mosque where they rightfully belong.

20 posted on 08/18/2007 11:47:22 PM PDT by expatguy (New and Improved ! - Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: blu

Weren’t the Muslim students complaining about falling on their butts while washing their feet in the sinks? That would be a funny sight to see, LOL


21 posted on 08/18/2007 11:56:06 PM PDT by CaliGirl-R (America is a "safe haven" for terrorists thanks to Political Correctness!)
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To: gpapa
Further, the ACLU explains, the university's decision to take on the $25,000 expense was motivated primarily "by health and safety" because some students didn't like washing their hands in the sinks after others students had washed their feet.

Which is worse?:

1.Paying for the foot baths
2. Everyone having to wash their hands where other people wash their feet plus dealing with the additional germs spread because no one wants to wash their hands.

Hard to say.

On a related note, when the new library was built in Seattle, a newspaper article quoted (non-Muslim) homeless people who were saying that the new library bathroom sinks would be a great place for them to wash their feet.

22 posted on 08/19/2007 12:14:39 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Carry_Okie
"Hey Bubba, look at these new funny urinals they got in here!"

I guess the urinal works for females and transvesties also......snicker

23 posted on 08/19/2007 12:57:37 AM PDT by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported)
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To: MarineBrat

They don’t need new footbaths...They already have footbaths in the restrooms...One flush and they’re clean...


24 posted on 08/19/2007 1:44:04 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
It seems that a lot of us had the same idea. I’m sure that some of the Frat boys will try them out just for the fun of it. Amen.
25 posted on 08/19/2007 3:01:12 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Iscool
They don’t need new footbaths...They already have footbaths in the restrooms...One flush and they’re clean...

It was the "Flush Twice-It's a Long Way To Mecca" stickers someone put on them that must have set them off, huh?

26 posted on 08/19/2007 5:37:05 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Food imported from China = Cesspool + Flavr-Straw™)
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To: gpapa

Could be worse. Imagine if you were required to wash your privates rather than your feet. On second thought, dont.


27 posted on 08/19/2007 5:43:17 AM PDT by vietvet67
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To: Lancey Howard

The sad thing is we have to fight these idiots in our own country. They are making every attempt with the help of the ACLU to eat away at the foundation that makes this country great! WE BETTER WAKE UP!


28 posted on 08/19/2007 5:55:05 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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To: gpapa; tubebender

Hopefully, one of these days, we will be able to see the funding from the Opecker thugs to the ACLU which has set up America a playground for Islamofascist thugs.

If a free Iraq survives all of the bs, the ACLU execs just might find themselves whisked away to Iraq to be tried for war crimes against innocent Iraqis.


29 posted on 08/19/2007 7:20:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Donate to Vets For Freedom: http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: Mike Darancette
One would hope that they didn’t have a sign saying Muslims Only” and that anyone could wash their feet in the foot bath.

Most large buildings have the necessary facilities already in place. It's called a "janitor closet". Inside is a handy device called a service sink. It's where mops are cleaned, and washbuckets emptied. It looks a lot like a mooslim footbath, and is very handy for janitors, too. It's also a whole lot cheaper than a gold-plated footbath.


30 posted on 08/19/2007 7:30:59 AM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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To: gpapa

So the logic is this, “non-muslims can use the footbaths too.”

But prayer in school or freedom to not pray in school is prohibited.

Am I missing something again?


31 posted on 08/19/2007 10:18:59 AM PDT by Otaku6 ("Peace through Superior Firepower" Brotherhood of Steel)
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To: Otaku6
"non-muslims can use the footbaths too.”

For now, but you just wait until some kid trys and wash his feet after playing volley ball or basketball. Watch the stuff hit the fan..
32 posted on 08/19/2007 11:23:25 AM PDT by Kid Shelleen (La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Then there would be “pork sniffing dogs” and anyone with a BLT would be prosecuted for a hate crime. *Sigh*


33 posted on 08/19/2007 12:10:02 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I was actually thinking about washing a hog in it.

They call hate crime.

Then I will ask them how they feel that nearly all the vegetation in the US is aided by pig and cow manure.


34 posted on 08/19/2007 12:34:05 PM PDT by Otaku6 ("Peace through Superior Firepower" Brotherhood of Steel)
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To: gpapa

Given that so many aclu lawyers are Jewish, this raises the term “useful idiot” to a new level.


35 posted on 08/19/2007 12:46:23 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Liberals are "American aliens." They were born IN America but they are not OF America.)
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To: jmaroneps37

bump to the top for ACLU hypocrisy.


36 posted on 08/19/2007 1:34:49 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: gpapa

This began with the prayer stations in Giants Stadium. This is a slippery slope. The funny thing is these Muslims are going to cut the throats of the fruity lawyers in the ACLU first.
Let us stop acting as if these people beliefs coincided with our 21st century society. Enough. We as a society are allowing people to rip the Crosses off War Memorials and put footbaths in bathrooms. If I see a footbath, I will treat it like a urinal.


37 posted on 08/21/2007 12:19:20 PM PDT by perocs (urinal....................)
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