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CNN Explores Religious Fundamentalism
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Posted on 08/19/2007 9:39:18 PM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly

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To: Darkwolf377

I couldn’t read the whole thing either. Why bother... once you know the premise it’s pointless.

I agree with your comments. What we ultimately have here is more evidence of the leftist’s ideology, that nobody is right and nobody is wrong. Everyone’s view should be recognized as valid by the global society.

Our kids are taught that there is no evil. It’s more important what you think of yourself than what society thinks of you. Limited to wholesome ideals, I would agree. But that isn’t what is implied here. As a child it’s not necessarily okay to lie, steal and cheat, but if you do it, don’t beat yourself up over it. Everything is relative.

Here Amanpour extends that to it’s absurd conclusion. We bring violence to the terrorist. How is that differenct than the terrorist bringing violence to us? And obviously, she doesn’t know. Richard Gere just after 09/11 asked us not to meet violence with violence. No, just lie down and die. If the other side won’t agree to live in peace, surrender.

The left is on a suicidal penchant again. Sadly the main practitioners are seldom the ones who die. In Russia, not even the party leadership escaped death. Generally it’s the rich, middle-class and poor who die. In China the
rich, middle-class and poor did. In Cuba the rich, middle-class and poor did. In Vietnam the middle-class and poor did. In the US, should it go Marxist, the well to do, the middle class and poor would.

The very elites that are pushing the Marxist movement would die. It would simply be another repeat of history and this time the only nation that could stop it in the past, wouldn’t be around to do it this time.


21 posted on 08/19/2007 11:56:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Here Amanpour extends that to it’s absurd conclusion. We bring violence to the terrorist. How is that differenct than the terrorist bringing violence to us? And obviously, she doesn’t know. Richard Gere just after 09/11 asked us not to meet violence with violence. No, just lie down and die. If the other side won’t agree to live in peace, surrender. The left is on a suicidal penchant again.

Great points. The Left is so funny, always afraid of the Bible and using the "J-word" in public (I'm an atheist and I often amuse myself by telling other atheists "You know, we live in a Christian nation, right?"), yet they have no problem tossing out one single quote from that book in these circumstances: "Turn the other cheek."

Out of the most influential book in Western history, that's the only sentence of worth they can find.

They are deluded, thinking they have insight into what the Islamofascists REALLY feel--if only the evil US would stop all that evil stuff it does (sending aid overseas, for example) then the world would LOVE us!

Fools. And fools who, using the far reach of media, are trying to take us all down with them.

22 posted on 08/20/2007 12:01:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Any Republicans around here?)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
I hope they did not leave out church of "Liberal Leftism" that prays to their own created god, and to his only prophets, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, and Hillery Clinton.

These Utopian Moonbats are bent on destroying America rather than letting the American people secure a more perfect Union.

23 posted on 08/20/2007 12:05:20 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Darkwolf377
How is that different than the terrorist bringing violence to us?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The difference is that We Win. And we should do so unapologetically.

What a stupid iconoclast.

24 posted on 08/20/2007 12:08:08 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes, you touch on a number of hot-points for me.

For our few falibities, we do an incredible amount of good around the world. The idea that we went into Iraq exclusively for selfish reasons is pathetic. We could have killed Hussein and been in and out in days not years.

We stuck around to see that the Iraqi people had a chance. While it is lamented that Iraq has turned into a Mogadishu situation, what do these folks think it would have turned into if we had simply killed Hussein and left?

Since they didn’t object, I guess the old Cambodian model would suffice. Nuff said...

You have a good night.


25 posted on 08/20/2007 12:08:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
CNN doing a story on Christians is akin to the SPCA and PETA writing a charming story telling the good things about eating meat.

Can any one say CNN IS BIASED.

26 posted on 08/20/2007 12:13:21 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: DoughtyOne

This comment ought to get me a barrage of replies, however, I don’t like the idea of any group telling their women to wear long dresses, for any reason. There’s a difference between dressing unlike a whore, and being encouraged to wear a dress that covers you from stem to stern. That smacks too much of burkha to me, and I don’t like that one bit. It’s like what those weirdos that are polygamists out west do with their women, have them all wear long dresses. Unless one is a nun, and even nuns don’t usually wear long gowns anymore, except for certain orders, this idea is ridiculous.

I can just imagine, when I was still working, if I would commute down to Chicago in a long gown in the middle of summer when it is 1,000 degrees heat, give or take a few, in the Midwest, with high humidity to boot. And then to see all the women walking up and down Michigan Avenue in long dresses. I have no desire whatsoever to go back to the same stone age that is inhabited by the misogynist Muzzies and their oppressed women. I don’t even want to think of something that smacks of it, however minute.

I think this group, BattleCry, should can any attempt to dictate what women should wear unless the men also wear clothes that cover them from stem to stern. Preach the modesty part, for one and all (that means no low hanging pants on men’s butts also), but lay off the “what women specifically should wear” part. I don’t like control freaks. No Jim Jones types for me, thank you. Won’t drink the kool aid.


27 posted on 08/20/2007 12:25:26 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: DoughtyOne
If they weren’t playing such high stakes poker here, that’s about all I’d do, pitty them.
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You get it.

The leftists are Marxists and they are playing very high stakes. The goal: Complete destruction of America´s experiment in self-rule.

As for the schools, you understand that too.

Government schools are the Marxist´s biggest weapon. Our K-12 schools and our colleges and universities are completely and utter infiltrated with Marxists and their useful idiots. They are indoctrinating our children every day.

The U.S. can survive almost anything, but we can not survive a generation of voters indoctrinated by the Marxists.

If we can shut down the schools we will have removed one of the Marxists most important weapons that it uses to undermine Western Civilization.

1) Remove your own children from government schools immediately.

2) Join with neighbors and friends to elect representatives willing to shut government K-12 schools down.

3) Work to reform, close down, and create new universities and colleges.

28 posted on 08/20/2007 12:41:12 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Candor7
This endless comparison between what the Islamofascists do with something the US has done in some circumstance, sometime (or what the West, or The Church has done etc.) is really telling. Amanpour and her media ilk have such simplistic worldviews, yet they are geniuses at equating the horrors of Islam with SOMEthing SOMEone has done at SOMEtime in history--and that supposedly makes it all better!

"Well, someone else did the same thing once!" seems to be the last word for them in any discussion of Islamic terror. It speaks to a truly small mind.

29 posted on 08/20/2007 1:40:46 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Any Republicans around here?)
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To: Darkwolf377
It speaks to a truly small mind.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You have to be small minded to be Utopian, and not understand what the American concept and dynamic of freedom is.

These small minded people are very similar to the general populus of Germany in 1938. That scares me , truly. They are fascist fodder, ready to be lock stepped and cowed into a puling mass of people who do what they are told without a fight. All talk, and no action. They are unwilling to fight for the feeedom which they exercise now, because they do not understand, or are not capable of understanding freedom, or understanding what it has taken, and will take, to preserve it.

30 posted on 08/20/2007 1:48:53 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Candor7
The American people aren't aware of how cowed the media are. Look at the controversy over publishing the Mohammed cartoons--the reluctance to even SHOW them--and the book store chains which moved the Koran to a higher or separate shelf so Muslims wouldn't be offended (I forget the details exactly).

The publishing industry is very reluctant to publish anything that might get them accused of anti-Muslim bigotry, yet they'll crank out the ten thousandth anti-Christian screed at the drop of a hat. (I'm an atheist so I don't have a bone to pick.) That this country is rooted in Christian principles is an embarassment to these people, yet, comically, the Islamic "values" that should be abhorrent to them are untouchable.

And these are the industries that people rely on to tell them what's going on in the WOT.

31 posted on 08/20/2007 1:59:58 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Any Republicans around here?)
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To: DoughtyOne

It is absurd how the left takes a double-standard and pretends that it is tolerance. Leftists claim that if some Christian women dress modestly it is the same as the Taliban. I must have missed where Christians gather “sinful” women in stadiums and shoot them in the head. Oh, the Taliban did that and not Jerry Falwell? But that is a mere fact, and the leftist post-modernists say there is no such thing as the truth (and logical contradictions are okay with them since they believe logic is just a meaningless construct). Post-modernist irrationalism is as dangerous a threat as Islamism.


32 posted on 08/20/2007 2:17:01 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
"I'm not interested in drumming up false fears, or falsely allaying fears," CNN's chief international correspondent told The Associated Press by phone from France, where she added last-minute touches to the series. "I just want people to know what's going on."

If this statement had been made by a Christian 'fundamentalist', I'd be willing to bet they would be charged with 'proselytizing'.

33 posted on 08/20/2007 2:26:32 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: metmom
You are correct. And she says, “ENCOURAGED to wear long dresses.” Not dragging girls to their scourging or execution if they don’t wear long dresses. Modesty is a New Testament instruction to both males and females. The flesh is a problem. It is at enmity with the spirit in regenerated believers. Flesh is a temptation and a distraction. Christian girls are, therefore, “encouraged” not to be a temptation, distraction or stumbling block to either believers or non-believers. Deeply biblical Christian homes train their daughters in modest apparel from early childhood.

But any pastor who would attempt to harm any girl for not wearing a long dress/skirt would not be tolerated, should it be known.

34 posted on 08/20/2007 2:41:34 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

Since when is fundamentalism a synonym for extreme?

I hate when they twist the language.

In 1910 the Presbyterian General Assembly, in response to some questions raised about the orthodoxy of some of the graduates of Union Theological Seminary, adopted a five-point declaration of “essential” doctrines. Summarized, these points were: (1) the inerrancy of Scripture, (2) the Virgin Birth of Christ, (3) his substitutionary atonement, (4) his bodily resurrection, and (5) the authenticity of the miracles. These five points . . . were not intended to be a creed or a definitive statement. Yet in the 1920s they became the “famous five points” that were the last rallying position before the spectacular collapse of the conservative party. Moreover, because of parallels to various other fundamentalist short creeds (and an historian’s error), they became the basis of what (with premillennialism substituted for the authenticity of the miracles) were long known as the “five points of fundamentalism.” (117)

http://paleoevangelical.blogspot.com/2006/08/five-points-of-fundamentalism-what-are.html

Fundamentalism

Fundamentalism is a movement within U.S. Protestantism marked by twin commitments to revivalistic evangelism and to militant defense of traditional Protestant doctrines. By the end of World War I, a loose coalition of conservative Protestants had coalesced into a movement united in defending its evangelistic and missionary endeavors against theological, scientific, and philosophical “modernism.” The threatened doctrines had recently been identified in a collaborative twelve-volume series entitled

he Five Points were adopted by the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church in 1910, as members of that denomination had its own debate of traditional vs. modern theology. The original Presbyterian “Five Fundamentals” were:
1) Divine inspiration and inerrancy of the Scriptures
2) Christ’s virgin birth
3) Christ’s substitutionary atonement
4) Christ’s bodily resurrection
5) Christ’s miracles

The Fundamentals (1910–1915). Battles over issues—most frequently biblical inerrancy (exemption from error), the virgin birth of Jesus, substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, and miracles—soon erupted within several leading denominations, principally among northern Baptists and Presbyterians. Many members separated from their churches to form new denominations committed to defending the fundamentals. Fundamentalists took their campaign into public education, where such organizations as the Anti-Evolution League lobbied state legislatures to prohibit the teaching of evolution in public schools. The former Democratic presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan led this effort, which culminated in his prosecution of the Dayton, Tennessee, teacher John T. Scopes, for teaching evolution. The Scopes trial of 1925 attracted national attention, and the ridicule of Bryan’s views during the trial by the defense lawyer, Clarence Darrow, helped to discredit fundamentalism.

http://www.answers.com/fundamentalism&r=67


35 posted on 08/20/2007 2:43:47 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly
AP, CNN, and Christiane Amanpour: all left-wingers! I already imagine the end product of what David Bauder is advertising here.
36 posted on 08/20/2007 2:52:31 AM PDT by OneHun
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37 posted on 08/20/2007 2:54:49 AM PDT by expatguy (New and Improved ! - Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: Darkwolf377
I have no bone to pick either, I am a Buddhist, of the Vajrayana. So the thoughts we share are pretty mutual on this issue.

The root of fascism is topic I studied long ago, under one of the world's leading Historians on the subject, Dr. Gilbert Allardyce, in a seminar course entitled "The Rise of FAscism in Europe."

It was a fascinating study, and few people realize today that fascism in the 1930s was a world wide movement, greatly subborted and enabled by liberals who saw it as an international movement which was helping various collections of peoples to realize their national culture , as self determination. Leibenshraum made sense to a set of Utopians very similar to those we see exhibited today in this article.

Therefore todays liberal socialists spread their social disease through opular culture and political correctness. Its cool to wear Middle Eastern jewellery, and faddish to learn to belly dance as a self empowerment towards titilating the opposite sex, with no thought as to what the dance means in its original context as to the social position of women withing a polygamus system of marriage , where the dance is rooted. Whehen you buy the dance, you do not know it, but you also buy into the way of polygamy, and its attendant attitudes about women in general, without even knowing it.

I like watching a good belly dancer as wel as anyone, in the american burlesque sense. But that is not what it means as a socil institution. Not knowing what it means , is to not know where the boundaries should be in its social manifestation in terms of preserving , not redefining the role of women as they twirl themselves and shake their booties.They just see the immediate adulation as a very positive thing.

This dynamic is happening throughout Liberal Moonbat America, in many areas. It will take a tragedy of horrible dimensions to awaken these dreamers, that Islamic Fascism is insidious and it is already operative as a nascent social institution in the United States, as you have said, by default , in the case of our Book Sellers.

In the 1930s, Krystalnacht was a wake up call to the leaders of the free world and its intellectuals. But still men like Joseph Kennedy, an open supporter of German Fascism , as the then US ambassador to Britain, was simply recalled and asked to step down. Charles Lindberg, the great aviator and liberal, also found himself shuffled into he backgroud over his historical ties with the German Nazi's, whom he befriended as highly cultured men and women. He was not allowed to join the US military, and was only alloowed to be a coonsultant with the US Army Airforce and US Navy in the PAcific theater, ending his career in relative obscurity, compared to the days when he was popularized by a nation wide Lndy Hop dance being named after him by the then "cool" liberal culture of the day, boyed by the flapper movement.

George Bush has not bothered to battle that side of America,and perhaps correctly realizes that they need to awaken to reality in due course, confident that as events unfold in the battle ahead, and the future atrocities which are sure to come,that will do the job. I am not so sure we have enough time.

Will it take a nuclear device exploded by Iran in Israel to awaken these liberal no minds? Or will it be a genocidal slaughter of 100,000 Kurds by the combined might of Iran and Turkey?Who knows. Shaking them until their eye balls rattle probably would not work either, instead of a liberal moonbat, all you would have is a dizzy liberal moonbat, and we'd be worse off than before.

But at least we can rattle and shake their politicians. To that I very much look forward. That is why I admire Anne Coulter so very much. She has it down to a science. And that is what she is very much about, rattling moonbats into so much rage , that they might, just might begin to think differently about the issues confronting our nation.

38 posted on 08/20/2007 3:03:55 AM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: Darkwolf377
She is talking about martyrs, not suicide bombers. She says "suicide bombers who call themselves martyrs". Real martyrs are noble: the soldier who falls on a grenade, the Christian who is killed for his beliefs, a mother who carries her child to term even though it means her own death.
39 posted on 08/20/2007 4:44:41 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: doesnt suffer fools gladly

It’s a hit piece on all religion. The following is the trasncript of Amanpour’s interview with Larry King, lol. Unbelievable.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0708/20/lkl.01.html


40 posted on 08/20/2007 10:27:52 PM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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