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History Channel Debunks 9/11 Truthers: 9/11 Conspiracies [TIVO ALERT tonight 9pm]
History Channel ^ | 8/20/07 | History Channel

Posted on 08/20/2007 3:34:40 PM PDT by PajamaTruthMafia

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To: Ferris
Buildings that go down by themselves don't go down the way building 7 did.. Buildings that do get help to fall, go down seemingly exactly the way building 7 went down...

So which is it?

How is that possible? Have you even seen any of the footage?

According to demo experts featured on last night's program, which showed a whole bunch of WTC 7 footage, by the way, there's no significant visual difference between a building going down by way of controlled demolition and a building going down by another cause. In other words, in both instances, the building goes down in more or less the same manner.

Also, two structural engineers explained how the building went down: (1) catastrophic failure to the foot of the building itself, caused by debris from one of the twin towers; (2) the steel trusses were weakened by the out-of-control fires caused by pressurized diesel fuel kept inside the building.


61 posted on 08/21/2007 8:48:37 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Ferris

Both buildings were hit by planes. A direct hit by a fuel filled commercial airliner. Both went down the same way.

Can you point to another incident where two buildings, standing side by side, were hit by commercial aircrafts and went down a different way?


62 posted on 08/21/2007 8:52:35 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Ferris
Especially when it's never happened before to a steel skyscraper in human history...

What, you mean a steel skyscraper has never been right next to a couple of 100+ story buildings that have just been catastrophically brought down? You are right.

63 posted on 08/21/2007 9:00:31 AM PDT by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: Ferris

The collapse of WTC-7 did result from outside ‘help’ but not of any US-conspiratorial kind. It is quite clear that damage and fires caused by the attacks on the towers can explain what happened to WTC-7. There was severe damage to 10 stories of the south side of the building from the collapse of the towers. There were fires burning all day long inside WTC-7, unhindered, and fueled by diesel fuel stored for generators. There is excellent reason to believe that trusses and columns which were critical to the building’s stability were damaged and/or over-stressed. I have no patience for people who toss around bogus conspiracy theories about the events of that day without even exerting themselves to do a minimum of genuine research easily available on the web (NOT counting all the nutter sites that are full of nonsense). While there are things that may never be known with any degree of certainty bout the collapse of WTC-7, it is quite clear that enough is known to say emphatically that there IS a highly plausible scenario to explain how the collapse of that building resulted from the known 9/11 attacks on the towers, and not from any conspiratorial ravings about hidden explosives and controlled demolition (which is itself a completely ridiculous scenario, even if we did not know all that is known about damages and fires in WTC-7).

Here’s a simple beginning to addressing the points you raise:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA’s preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. “The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7,” NIST’s Sunder tells PM. “On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out.” NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7’s upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST’s analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of “progressive collapse,” a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or “kinks,” in the building’s facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building’s failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. “What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors,” Sunder notes, “it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down.”

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building’s other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. “There was no firefighting in WTC 7,” Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: “Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time.”

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building’s unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.


64 posted on 08/21/2007 9:26:29 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7

Two planes hit the towers. The planes left gaping holes in the buildings. Then the planes blew up again (probably bombs on the plane planted by the terrorists), and those explosions brought down the towers.


65 posted on 08/22/2007 5:55:11 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("I'm not some candy-assed white liberal looking to turn you into better citizens." - Martin Querns)
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To: gondramB

Sadly, I don’t trust the History Channel.

I’ve seen enough to know that their agenda is NOT pro-American.


66 posted on 08/22/2007 5:57:12 PM PDT by bannie
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To: Ferris
Unfastened Coins
67 posted on 08/22/2007 7:59:30 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Check out this simulation of the planes crashing into the towers. Pretty well defines what happened inside the buildings.

WTC simulation

68 posted on 08/22/2007 8:03:29 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
The crime here is that the US media ALLOWED, propagated, and agitated for the “truther” kooks.

Every society has kooks, but the professional men, women, and corporations responsible for giving their public truthful information deliberately failed at their ONE DUTY.

For political advantage. They deliberately sabotaged the President of the United States.

They all should be shamed and out of their jobs.

69 posted on 08/22/2007 8:22:38 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: bigdcaldavis

Maybe I forgot to put the sarcasm tag on my post. LOL.


70 posted on 08/23/2007 5:14:11 AM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Will try to catch the replay at midnight. Watched on Foxnews tv specials about the death of Princess Diana, the 10th aniversary is coming up on Friday of her passing, another gold mind for conspiracy nuts.


71 posted on 08/25/2007 6:31:07 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: metmom
Ironic to post back, since I just had watched a special on Princess Diana and her last days leading up to that tragic acident in Paris which also killed the man she was in love with, Doydy El Fahad. Ironic considering that he was Muslim or at least a MINO. There is even conspiracy theories for that incident. The Foxnews show was hosted by none other then Geraldo Rivera, famous for getting the hackles of one Bill O’Reilly going, with being pro-open borders to boot in what I consider one of his greatest strengths, discussing consiracy therories.
72 posted on 08/25/2007 6:39:25 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: metmom

Well could it be because they want to be the last to be eaten, as the saying goes, by the snake?


73 posted on 08/25/2007 6:41:19 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Enchante

...Or folks who should be wearing a nice white straight jacket.


74 posted on 08/25/2007 6:44:09 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Pistolshot

Thanks for the posting.


75 posted on 08/25/2007 6:52:15 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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