Why the GOP should welcome gays into the party

northjersey.com ^ | STEVE LONEGAN

[puroresu]

Equal protection of the law doesn’t apply to private citizens, only to the state. You might just as well argue that “equal protection” means the government must redistribute wealth until we all have the same amount of money.

Are there laws prohibiting discrimination against people who are sexually aroused by chains and gags? I don’t think so. Why not? Because there’s no fashionable lobby, with lots of money and mainstream media backing, pushing for such laws.

In other words, the government practices discrimination when it passes anti-discrimination laws.

[puroresu]

You’re wrong. It isn’t settled law in most states. The federal open housing law doesn’t apply to homosexuals. Ditto for the state laws in most states.

[Millers Cave]

I'm aware. And the courts have ruled, rightly, that they are a private enterprise and can discriminate against people who don't meet their criteria or follow their moral code.

I do have to run but don't blow this out of proportion -- I'm only talking about public accommodations. I would never support such government-mandated laws that applied elsewhere.

[Millers Cave]

You’re wrong. It isn’t settled law in most states. The federal open housing law doesn’t apply to homosexuals. Ditto for the state laws in most states.

I meant to say with the exception to homosexuals -- all the rest is settled law and not in danger of any repeal.

[puroresu]

I appreciate your willingness to debate this politely.

[Millers Cave]

Thanks. Same to you. I’m more of a less taxes, strong defense kind of conservative. I realize and respect that people have strong moral objections to homosexuality.

[RobbyS]

Amen.

[VxH]

[Basically any activity that doesn't involve public accommodation.]

 

 

 

(7) Public accommodation
The following private entities are considered public accommodations for purposes of this subchapter, if the operations of such entities affect commerce—
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(J) a nursery, elementary, secondary, undergraduate, or postgraduate private school, or other place of education;

 

...

 

(L) a gymnasium, health spa, bowling alley, golf course, or other place of exercise or recreation.

 

 

Maybe I'm misreading the code, but it seems to me that item (J) includes Private schools run by a church.    Do you think private religious schools should be forced to hire homosexual teachers?

 

Item (L) references golf courses and other places of recreation.   You include Country Clubs in your list of entities for whom discrimination should be allowed.   Should a Country Club be forced to give homosexuals access to the club's golf course, swimming pool and shower facilities?

 

 

 

[Greg F]

Hotels, restaurants, libraries, public pools, etc. shouldn’t.
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How about public schools? By your logic they should be required to allow homosexual clubs and activities even if the school board and voters are against it.

I hear you with hotels and trains (personally, I think capitalism does a fine job of getting rid of that sort of discrimination now that jim crow is gone . . . money is money). The problem comes when that legal precedent is applied to gay clubs in school while excluding Christian ones, requiring sex education that is on equal terms for heterosexual and homosexual sex, speech codes that make stating Christian beliefs an offense . . . it all ties together. I do not think the anti-discrimination laws are needed anymore and are doing more harm than good. Yet they are expanding (as all law and bureaucracy does).

Jim Crow is gone . . . laws getting rid of Jim Crow should be gone too.

[Moby Grape]

While the GOP would be foolish to be openly hostile, opening wide the arms of the Party and actively promoting the homosexual agenda would drive OUT the social conservative (who are approximately 20% of the base).

So they would bring in 2% and drive out 20%.

[Non-Sequitur]

She added, "I don't know why all gays aren't Republican. I think we have the pro-gay positions, which is anti-crime and for tax cuts. Gays make a lot of money and they're victims of crime. No, they are! They should be with us."

Ummm...because they aren't welcome?

[napscoordinator]

You canceled the books? I don’t think she was advocating this but just discussing the topic.

[Lumper20]

You have it nailed. Let them live in their world of hate for authority, God’s laws,and small government. More is never enough for the left.

[Lumper20]

I have great plans for these clowns. Walk point.

[Sloth]

In equating libertarians with “progressives”, you reveal yourself to be either ignorant or dishonest.

[roamer_1]

If we could shut the Homosexual ‘activists’ up and shut up the ‘Moral Majority’, the GOP would be seen to be a lot more inclusive, and gays would be seen as less ‘radical’.

I will take particular exception to this statement. It is a poison pill.

The most important reason that Conservatism works is it's fight to preserve the Judeo-Christian ethic. It is and must be the root of American life, as it contains the definition of the Creator from whom our freedoms flow.

To attack that root is to assure our doom.

It is upon that foundation that our morality is based, and it is what makes us good- Only a good people can be free, as only a good people can live with limited governance.

It is the overabundance of laws to govern behavior that is not good, the attempt to govern lawlessness and immorality that leads to overt governmental power, and inevitably to the corruption thereof.

-Bruce

[roamer_1]

The correct answer can only be that the landlord has the right to discriminate against anyone for any reason that suits his fancy. It is his property, it is his right.

[Just mythoughts]

You mean, like, the liberals nominate about 10 presidential candidates but only really want one certain one elected? All the while the Dems get face time debates on all channels and only one sounds rational? So the 9 token candidates can really act leftist while the real, preferred socialist candidate acts like a centrist? When she runs for president she will run as a "centrist" and claim to be a "new democrat" like Toni Blair ran as "new labour" in UK? yitbos

Yes, but these liberal leftists are not exclusionary in the method of deceptive operation. There are plenty on the supposed RIGHT side claiming the same sameness only doing it 'better'.

[Just mythoughts]

Exactly so. Being “socially liberal” means expanding govt, and taking money from people to fund “socially liberal” projects. That doesn’t square with “fiscally conservative”. I believe that anyone who claims to be “socially liberal” but “fiscally conservative” is a cheapskate who wants everyone else to fund his pet projects while he buys himself a boat.

Yes indeed and it has become the so called mainstream or centrists ideology that the majority of Americans have been seduced into taking that path to utopia. So those centrist have joined the liberals with the sneer and jeer calling those that are actually rule of law conservatives 'purists' or hate mongers.

[Tall_Texan]

Why the GOP should welcome gays into the party

Better-dressed candidates, for one. ;-P