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Can't someone pull off a painless Tooth extraction?
star ledger ^ | August 20, 2007 | SILVIO LACCETTI

Posted on 08/21/2007 5:22:27 PM PDT by Coleus

Opening King Tut's tomb brought to light treasures and curses hidden for thousands of years. One of the lat ter still haunts us -- the curse of King Tut's tooth. Tut, like many teenagers, needed a tooth extraction, in his case, an impacted wisdom tooth. Sadly, ancient Egyptian dentistry was unable to help the boy-pharaoh, as extractions were done only on very loose teeth, by the gentle touch of fingers. Even forceps (pliers) were probably not employed until long after Tut died. Astonishingly, modern dental extraction procedures are still mired in the technology of the an cient world. Recently, I was struck by the curse of Tut. I needed a tooth removed. Having taken lidocaine, I was fully conscious during the brutal and traumatic removal process. I became a time traveler, passing through star gates and winding up in ancient Egypt. Pliers still pull teeth!

In this age of high technology, what, if anything, is being done to modernize the practice of tooth ex traction? For scientists, inventors or entrepreneurs who would bring tooth extraction into the 21st century, there awaits a fortune aptly described as the Treasure of King Tut's Tooth. I sought those adventurers exploring the frontiers of knowledge to learn if the curse of Tut could be expiated.

I first ventured to the promising field of biomedical engineering, contacting Professor Arthur Ritter, director of the Stevens Institute of Technology biomedical engineering program. Numerous dentists had told me disconcerting tales of hav ing to place a knee on a patient's chest to gain sufficient leverage and force to perform a recalcitrant extraction. So Ritter and I discussed robotic extractors. Could we develop a machine with suffi cient power and torque forces to perform difficult tooth removals?

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KEYWORDS: analgesia; aspirin; dentist; dentistry; healthcare; nanotechnology; opiates; painkillers; teeth; toothextraction
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1 posted on 08/21/2007 5:22:29 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

I’m really hoping for a thread about gross and horrible wisdom tooth extractions. I grew up hearing about how my grandmother’s dear old brother died from sepsis after a botched wisdom tooth extraction. Mine were pretty easy. My husband lost the ability to whistle and says that they hit an artery and it shot blood clear to the ceiling. Let’s hear them.


2 posted on 08/21/2007 5:25:21 PM PDT by Mercat (strategic deworming. Name of a new rock band?)
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To: Coleus
Can't someone pull off a painless Tooth extraction?

(Gasp!)

3 posted on 08/21/2007 5:25:38 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Coleus

Man, what a whiner.


4 posted on 08/21/2007 5:25:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Coleus

Hmm I had a shot, was numbed and you only feel pressure not pain. What’s the harm in using pliers? A machine wouldn’t have the dentist’s feel for what he is doing.


5 posted on 08/21/2007 5:26:06 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Coleus

I’ve had two wisdom extractions (lowers, then uppers) - general anesthetic in both cases. Great post-op painkillers, too.

First one, they shattered the teeth and then dug them out. Second one, they came out reasonably easy. Impacted in both cases.

When they had to dig out my lowers (1 and 16), I was swollen up for a couple weeks. No swelling on 17 and 32.


6 posted on 08/21/2007 5:28:35 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Luke 5)
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To: Williams

Ditto, I’ve had a couple of teeth pulled and all I felt was the pressure and the physical pulling of my head. No pain during or after.


7 posted on 08/21/2007 5:31:44 PM PDT by marlon
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To: Coleus
What a crybaby. I’ve had 4 wisdom teeth and one back molar extracted, and it certainly wasn’t pleasant, but I didn’t start comparing myself to King Tut. That needle hurts, and the crunching and popping while the dentist pries the tooth out is gross, but jeeze.

When I was a kid, my parents used an old drunken dentist who filled cavities without the use of Novocaine. Now that was an experience I didn’t like.

8 posted on 08/21/2007 5:32:02 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Mercat

Sorry, I’m outta this thread.


9 posted on 08/21/2007 5:32:17 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Mercat

Erm... I had all 4 extracted under anesthetic. Don’t remember much other than I had to be driven home. Otherwise... not much of a trouble, really.


10 posted on 08/21/2007 5:33:09 PM PDT by farlander (Try not to wear milk bone underwear - it's a dog eat dog financial world)
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To: Mercat
Here's mine. My wisdom teeth were so far down in my gums that the dentist had to use a hammer and chisel to break up the teeth before he could extract them. I spent several days on major pain-killers. Not pleasant.

Of couse, maybe the dentist was just a sadist. Who knows.

11 posted on 08/21/2007 5:33:44 PM PDT by Free State Four
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To: Williams

What’s the harm in using pliers?

Baaah, in the old days we used to use vise-grips and a car mirror after having walked three miles in the snow just to find a car with a mirror.

Seriesly, I remember boot camp dentistry, we were crammed into a cattle car and on our way to dental, when we got out
there were two guys at the bus stop with blood running out of their mouths and moaning in pain, it did not bode well for the future as I was soon to find out.


12 posted on 08/21/2007 5:33:45 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Coleus

Dentists are God’s way of telling us to brush our teeth......or else.


13 posted on 08/21/2007 5:34:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Coleus

My grandfather told me that it wasn’t uncommon for people to die from wizzie removal during the 20s and 30s. He was a dentist who graduated in 1919. No penicillin ya know! Poor anesthetics like ether. Injectable anesthesia was very crude and not reliable or very safe.

I have removed thousands of wizzies and never lost a patient....so far.

It’s a technique that cannot be done any other way than by human touch. It’s really not all that hard to do as long as the doctor is willing to make a big enough hole for the tooth to pass through.

Modern analgesics, and anesthetics, and sedatives, and antibiotics make the procedure relatively safe and comfortable.


14 posted on 08/21/2007 5:34:44 PM PDT by dwhole2th (''God gets you to the plate, but once you're there, you're on your own". Ted Williams)
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To: IslandJeff

I had mine done, they gave me two pills to take before I got there. I remember taking the pills and waking up at home minus 4 teeth, nothing in between.


15 posted on 08/21/2007 5:35:17 PM PDT by txroadkill ( http://iraqstar.org)
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To: tet68

Yeah, my wisdom teeth were so intimidating the Marines decided to just remove the two molars in front of them to give them room....!!!


16 posted on 08/21/2007 5:35:39 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Coleus

I can.

If the patient is as dead as King Tut.


17 posted on 08/21/2007 5:36:39 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Mercat
A huge whiff of laughing gas followed by several shots of novocaine.

Only needed one Tylenol at home.

18 posted on 08/21/2007 5:37:11 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Mercat
A huge whiff of laughing gas followed by several shots of novocaine.

Only needed one Tylenol at home.

19 posted on 08/21/2007 5:37:21 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Coleus

Two words: General anaesthesia.

Then, they could use pliers, a drill press, a bench vise and a weed-whacker, but you won’t see, feel, hear, smell or remember it.


20 posted on 08/21/2007 5:38:25 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Coleus
In this age of high technology, what, if anything, is being done to modernize the practice of tooth ex traction? For scientists, inventors or entrepreneurs who would bring tooth extraction into the 21st century, there awaits a fortune aptly described as the Treasure of King Tut's Tooth. I sought those adventurers exploring the frontiers of knowledge to learn if the curse of Tut could be expiated.

Some things have been the highest tech possible for millennia. If you have something that is difficult to extract, you need to grab it and apply torque and traction. Forceps were the high tech improvement on fingers.
21 posted on 08/21/2007 5:39:46 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Mercat
Let’s hear them.

I was in the Marine Corps in the late '60s and periodically all of us would go to "clinic" to get whatever needed done by overwhelmed Navy dentists.

One of my squadmates came back with one eyeball still twitching up and down like a walleyed pike.

He said it started as the dentist gave him a shot of novacaine, and was just starting to return to normal after an hour or so......years later, I mentioned that to my private sector dentist and he affirmed that this can indeed happen.

Personally, I never minded going to the dentist; the dentist I had years ago was also a professor at USC and also taught some at UCLA - I'd accompany him sometimes on Saturdays for "show and tell", and get my work done for free. It just took longer than in the office, because 20 or 30 students would poke their little mirrors into my piehole after each step of the procedure.

22 posted on 08/21/2007 5:42:46 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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To: Coleus
only on very loose teeth, by the gentle touch of fingers. Even forceps (pliers) were probably not employed until long after Tut died.

I kind of doubt this. I believe that the Egyptians probably used some sort of implement to extract the teeth.

23 posted on 08/21/2007 5:45:00 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Coleus

“Be true to your teeth and they won’t be false to you.”
Words of wisdom. Soupy Sales 1965.


24 posted on 08/21/2007 5:45:41 PM PDT by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: Mercat
Wow! What a weird article.

As the daughter of a dentist I grew up helping him at the office and even assisting him at the age of 13-15. (yes, I was forced into child labor against my will, just kidding, I loved it) I could tell some pretty gross stories but I won't. I had 4 wisdom teeth out at 18 and all I can say is GENERAL ANISTHESIA! There is no way I would do anything else. If you don't want to be put out, try laughing gas or valium and have little fun. :)

25 posted on 08/21/2007 5:46:47 PM PDT by mickeylee
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To: theDentist

I figured I’d find you here (giggle)


26 posted on 08/21/2007 5:50:08 PM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Mercat

I’ve had far more extractions than I care to think about. Don’t ask how many.

Only a couple were truly painful. The next to last one was the worst I’ve ever experienced.....and I can take a lot of pain.

I’m a patient at the UNC (Chapel Hill, NC) School of Advanced General Dentistry. Great care, great prices, all by young dentists attending a post-grad (and optional) program overseen by old-head, grey-haired senior dentists/professors. They’re wonderful.

So I had an appt. with my latest young ‘resident’, but that first meeting turned into an emergency extraction. I had what is known in the parlance as a “hot tooth” and was in some damned serious pain. The tooth in question had been root canal-ed twice......but damned if it didn’t just have to go.

They called downstairs and got me into a similar program....the oral surgery folks...immediately. I take the elevator down, in agonizing pain. I get a grad student who was a Pakistani woman who had been a dentist in her home country for years. She numbs me for the extraction but it was insufficient. Next thing I know, that wench is HANGING from my hot tooth trying to pull it out. Yes, her entire body weight. I felt every last bit of it. Never experienced that type of pain in my life.

I let her do it....God knows why.......and finally (after a lot of cracking noises and horrific pain) she yanks the offending tooth from my mouth. I breathe a deep sigh of relief, totally exhausted. Hurt like holy hell.

They weren’t through. A youngish professor comes in, looks at my x-rays, sees that there was infection in the jawbone under the tooth, and proceeds to dig it out. No numbing. Can’t numb infected tissue. He actually says to ‘em “let’s torture him as little as possible” and proceeds to dig into the ‘hole’ left from the extraction to pull out infected tissue.

I swear, to this day, that my hand/fingerprints are permanently embedded into the arms of that f**king dentist’s chair on that floor of Brauer Hall, UNC.

To this day I don’t know how I kept from decking the sumbitch. All I know is that I drove home and dropped into bed, totally exhausted.


27 posted on 08/21/2007 5:50:31 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Coleus
Can't someone pull off a painless Tooth extraction?

"Is it safe?"

28 posted on 08/21/2007 5:50:46 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (There are four types of homicide: felonious, accidental, justifiable, and praiseworthy)
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To: Coleus

My wisdom teeth romoval was brutal and very physical...... knee in the chest, etc. But, at the time, it wasn’t too painful. That came later, and believe me, it came.


29 posted on 08/21/2007 5:51:39 PM PDT by umgud
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To: dwhole2th
It’s a technique that cannot be done any other way than by human touch. It’s really not all that hard to do as long as the doctor is willing to make a big enough hole for the tooth to pass through.

I think part of the "fear and dread" factor has to do with the sights, sounds and pressure, not the pain, which can be dealt with.

I was somewhat taken aback that my dentist sent me to a specialist for a molar extraction. Geez, how complicated could it be? Well, I was ok with the shot and waiting for the painkiller to kick in...until the doc took the cloth off his instruments. Those instruments looked like he could change a tire on a semi. It was not really painful but very intimidating.

30 posted on 08/21/2007 5:51:41 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Mercat

I had 3 impacted wisdom teeth that need surgery back in ‘77.

They said they wanted to put me under. I said, “Can’t you do it to me while I’m awake.” They said, “Son, the things we’re gonna do to you, you don’t want to know about.”

So I went under. It took me a while to wake up. I didn’t want to...I rather liked being in restful half-consciousness. So it was just like in the movies with the nurse slapping me around to bring me out of it.

Finally I woke up enough to get off the table.

“So, who’s picking you up to take you home?”

“Um...nobody. I walked here, and I’ll be walking back. It’s only a couple of miles.”

“Son, you’re in no condition to walk anywhere. Call someone to take you home.”

“Well, the thing is, Doc, I’m new in town...just arrived a month ago and I don’t know anybody.”

They insisted that I leave in a taxi, which I did, although I couldn’t really afford it.

I bled for the next three days, with wads of blood-soaked gauze in my mouth, packed tight over my ex-molars.

When I went back, I asked them what they did to me. They said that my teeth were impacted so tightly that they couldn’t extract them with pliers — they had to use a chisel and hammer to break the tooth in half and pull it out in pieces!

Is that gross and horrible enough for you?

I guess it’d be better now, on the whole. 1977 and 2007 are worlds away in dental technology.


31 posted on 08/21/2007 5:56:43 PM PDT by Harpo Speaks (Honk! Honk! Honk! Either it's foggy out, or make that a dozen hard boiled eggs.)
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To: Coleus

Can somebody recommend a dentist that will do that for me, free?

Ya’ see, I served 20-plus years in the Corps, and when I signed up, was promised free medical and dental care when I retired.

Well, I retired 17 years ago; my medical care is not free (need Tri-Care which costs me a bunch of dough), and the dental care is not an option.

Semper Fidelis,
fontman


33 posted on 08/21/2007 5:58:19 PM PDT by fontman
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To: Coleus

At eighteen; a teenage girl BTW, I had a severely impacted upper wisdom tooth pulled with nothing more than a shot of Novocain. The dentist said, “You’re going to feel some pressure.” and as quickly as I could mumble, “how much pressure?” it was all over. I didn’t have to take more than an aspirin afterward and I even went to work that same evening.

He should talk to some woman who gave birth to an eight pound baby after eighteen hours of hard labor then get back to us on “I was fully conscious during the brutal and traumatic removal process.”

Silvio Laccetti is a whoose!


34 posted on 08/21/2007 5:58:29 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words or superficial interpretations)
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To: umgud

My brother, a dentist(gasp) pulled mine in dental school....took him 3 hours.....

The staff had given me a huge shot of vallium.....

I laughed most of the time....

There is nothing they can do to your mouth that is pain free.....including cleaning....

Man-up or let em rot.....but no whining please.....


35 posted on 08/21/2007 6:01:06 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: Coleus

I had an infected molar extracted around a year ago. After a couple of shots and a few minutes the Dentist came in and asked if the tooth was dead. I told him it was not even slightly.

After six shots and around 30 minutes, the shots had done absolutely nothing. I finally told the Dentist to go ahead and pull it anyway. He said no, he would get it deadened and thankfully the next couple of shots did finally work. He had real trouble getting it out but fnally did.

Not a very pleasant experinece but absolutely necessary as anti-biotics were not even affecting it and I was quite ill.


36 posted on 08/21/2007 6:04:20 PM PDT by yarddog (`)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
"Man, what a whiner."

That was my thought also.

37 posted on 08/21/2007 6:04:32 PM PDT by bluetone006 (Peace - or I guess war if given no other option)
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To: Mercat
I'm gonna p*$$ alot of people off.

ALL of my wisdom teeth came in with no problems.

I did have one pulled a couple years ago because it had chipped and it was cheaper to yank than it was to fix.

38 posted on 08/21/2007 6:06:10 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: uglybiker

That’s a great story, actually. No room at my cranial/oral Inn for two more. Not even close. Even if they could have passed the gumline, they’d have come in at 45 degrees.

We simply don’t need them anymore. I like to credit agriculture and ranching over millenia.


39 posted on 08/21/2007 6:12:24 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Luke 5)
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To: Coleus

Painless i promise !

40 posted on 08/21/2007 6:13:00 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: RightOnline

I had an expierience exactly like yours at the dentists. He pulled 4 teeth like that. 15 shots in the mouth did absolutely nothing to ease the pain. I haven’t been back to a dentist since.


41 posted on 08/21/2007 6:13:51 PM PDT by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: Caramelgal

I gave birth to 4 children and I would rather give birth to 4 more than go through the expierience I had at that dentists office.


42 posted on 08/21/2007 6:18:19 PM PDT by beckysueb (Pray for our troops , America, and President Bush)
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To: Coleus
Enough Novocaine and you’ll feel no pain, although, I do hate the thought of something being ripped away from my body. All in all it’s not too bad. Don’t get me started on bone graphs, though. I thought I had been sent straight to Hell.
43 posted on 08/21/2007 6:21:44 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: txroadkill
I just had major dental work done.

Since I have a heart murmur I need to take meds prior to prevent infections entering the heart.

The first 4 extractions were not bad, but that last bugger must have had roots a mile long. After about an hour (actually it was only about 15 minutes but it felt like an hour,) the last molar came out.

It has been a week now and I still have some swelling and pain.

44 posted on 08/21/2007 6:23:25 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: RightOnline
Forgive me for laughing hysterically! I've had my shares of HORROR dental stories too...BUT nothing like yours..bawhahaha
45 posted on 08/21/2007 6:24:46 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: ErnBatavia

The navy took four of my wisdom teeth out at once. They were all perfect. They didn’t want me to have problems on a boomer patrol.

I should never have complained to the “doc” about a toothache.

At least I got out of “scrub the sub!”


46 posted on 08/21/2007 6:29:42 PM PDT by montomike (If you didn't find this funny or amusing...have a worldwide riot.)
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To: Mercat
I’m really hoping for a thread about gross and horrible wisdom tooth extractions. I grew up hearing about how my grandmother’s dear old brother died from sepsis after a botched wisdom tooth extraction. Mine were pretty easy. My husband lost the ability to whistle and says that they hit an artery and it shot blood clear to the ceiling. Let’s hear them.

You asked for it... Actually, mine (I had all 4 done at the same time by an oral surgeon, under general anesthetic. However they were severely impacted, and my right upper had roots that had grown into my sinus cavity. It took nearly 4 hours for them to get all 4 out.

While everything seemed to go well, I was given the normal instructions... No brushing of the teeth for a few days, no "swishing" liquids in the mouth, no using straws, AND NO NUTS IN FOOD!!!!

Well a few days later when the surgeon said I could brush my teeth, I completed the task, and as I was beginning my rinse, bloody, toothpastey water came gushing out of my nostrils! It sort of freaked me out, because the surgeon DID NOT TELL ME ABOUT THE HOLE BETWEEN MY MOUTH AND SINUSES!!!!! It was another week before I could try brushing my teeth again, and that seemed to give it enough time to close over and begin healing.

A few weeks later, I was at work, and someone brought in some home made brownies... I asked her about them, and she said that there were NO NUTS in them. So I had one... AND IT HAD NUTS!!! Of course, your sockets are nut magnets, and after just three or four chews, I had nuts stuck in all 4 sockets! OUCH!!! I had this little syringe for keeping them clean, but it didn't help. Luckily the oral surgeon's office was just a mile or two away, and I jumped in my car, ran over to the office, and ran in, asking for help. One of the nurses there took me back and removed the nuts from my sockets. And they didn't even charge me!

Mark

47 posted on 08/21/2007 6:30:00 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: uglybiker
ALL of my wisdom teeth came in with no problems.

I've had no problems with my wisdom teeth. They're below the gums, right where they've always been. As long as they don't get impacted or infected, I'm inclined to leave them be.

I'm 37. If they ain't come in, they ain't comin' in.

48 posted on 08/21/2007 6:33:45 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Williams
What’s the harm in using pliers?

Nothing! Fortunately my neighbor was able to wedge a pair of vice grips into my mouth and that took care of it........

49 posted on 08/21/2007 6:34:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Farewell Turd Blossom, ya done good!)
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To: Coleus
The LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS
50 posted on 08/21/2007 6:39:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Ever see WILLIS SHAW backwards in your rear view mirror? I have!)
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