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Finally! Combating The Anti-Victory Crowd (Good News You Won't See In The MSM Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 08/24/2007 | Melanie Morgan

Posted on 08/24/2007 4:17:54 AM PDT by goldstategop

Pass along the details of the upcoming events I've shared with you here. Just be sure not to let the Lefties know. It's our little secret, and you know how bad liberals are at keeping important secrets in a time of war.

Just read the New York Times if you don't know what I mean.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conservativeactivism; freerepublic; gatheringofeagles; iraqwar; melaniemorgan; moveamericaforward; sep15; supportthetroops; visforvictory; worldnetdaily
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Take heart, friends. We're getting ready to counter the anti-victory crowd. The Left and the MSM will make sure our rallies aren't covered so its up to us to use the New Media to get the truth out. Its all under the radar as far as the Left is concerned. Now let's Move America Forward!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 08/24/2007 4:17:57 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

Better late than never, I guess. Don’t mean to sound negative but it has been six years...plus I just woke up. Anyway, I’ve been out numbered and out shouted for that long. It’s about time. Why do conservatives take soooo long to come together?


2 posted on 08/24/2007 4:28:26 AM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: goldstategop

What exactly does victory in Iraq or victory in the War on Terror entail?


3 posted on 08/24/2007 4:46:14 AM PDT by backin41
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To: backin41

I’m thinking he’s talking about the propaganda war. The WOT won’t be won until we recognize and name a physical enemy.


4 posted on 08/24/2007 5:02:56 AM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: backin41
"What exactly does victory in Iraq or victory in the War on Terror entail?"

Victory in Iraq is simply the Iraqi gov. saying "Thank you very much, we'll take it from here"

That would be a hugh psycological victory in a war that is first and foremost psycological. Seen in this context the end is indeed in sight simply because pressure on the Iraqi gov will increase to ask for our withdrawl.

5 posted on 08/24/2007 5:09:46 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro

Victory means a representative, stable, free market ally of the US. The creation of such a state will transform the middle east forever and for the better.


6 posted on 08/24/2007 5:33:01 AM PDT by brigadoon
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To: backin41
What exactly does victory in Iraq or victory in the War on Terror entail?

Kicking al Queda's butt and killing every terrorist in the world would be a good start. The WOT should have ended on 9/12/01, with Mecca and several other terrorist havens being incinerated with nukes.

BTW, welcome to FR - I think.

7 posted on 08/24/2007 5:36:01 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The measure of a country is not how many people are wanting to come in, but how many want to leave.)
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To: brigadoon
"Victory means a representative, stable, free market ally of the US"

That sets the bar beyond reach because those characteristics are entirely dependent on the Iraqi people. Even W has said if the Iraqis elect an anti-US gov, that's their decision.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Our victory will be achieved when we're asked to leave.

8 posted on 08/24/2007 5:38:41 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: backin41

Victory in the war on terror will mean that we have discouraged, disgraced or killed the mullahs who push it. Give ‘em the “Will of Allah” and make ‘em like it.


9 posted on 08/24/2007 5:55:08 AM PDT by steve8714 (Spiderpig..Spiderpig..does whatever a spiderpig does...can someone get that out of my head?)
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To: Pietro

I don’t believe it is beyond reach. The President said on Wednesday that a “free Iraq is within reach”. A free Iraq will develop a western style economy, and rely on the US for security, making it an ally. Some form of representative government will follow. This will be the great legacy of our current President, and will transform the middle east for the better. This is what the military is fighting for. The only thing hampering us from accomplishing this is domestic weakness. If it could be done in Japan, S. Korea and Germany, it can be done in Iraq.


10 posted on 08/24/2007 5:59:21 AM PDT by brigadoon
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To: Pietro

I define victory as killing, capturing, or otherwise rendering impotent so many terrorists that a terrorist attack on American soil (of any significance-—say, over 50 dead) is no longer possible, and a terrorist attack by Arab/al-Qaeda related forces on foreign soil is infrequent.


11 posted on 08/24/2007 6:07:36 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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I agree in principle w/ your descriptions, however, milestones are key elements if only for public consumption. Therefore victory in Iraq, that is both definable and achievable, is highly desirous.


12 posted on 08/24/2007 6:45:48 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Ozarkie
"Why do conservatives take soooo long to come together?"

I don't know, I hear you and understand your sentiment, but the way I look at it is this: we either still believe in the cause and therefore welcome the very belated help, or else we can let the anti-war liberals win and hurt America's iamge around the world, stab our troops in the back, and jeopardize our national security.

13 posted on 08/24/2007 9:25:43 AM PDT by Impeach98 (Anti-war protestors should try holding rallies in Damascus and Tehran!)
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To: backin41
"What exactly does victory in Iraq or victory in the War on Terror entail? "

Are you asking rhetorically? It seems to me quite obvious that the most principle victory is that the jihadists are defeated there, al-Qaida doesn't get to have Iraq as a new breeding ground, and a regime independent of Iran and Syria that advances democratic principles and fosters good relations with the U.S. is in place.

14 posted on 08/24/2007 9:34:58 AM PDT by Impeach98 (Anti-war protestors should try holding rallies in Damascus and Tehran!)
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To: Pietro

I like your explanation of victory better - you were much more succinct and on target.


15 posted on 08/24/2007 9:35:40 AM PDT by Impeach98 (Anti-war protestors should try holding rallies in Damascus and Tehran!)
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To: Pietro
Your point is valid for "normal wars," but in guerilla wars, which is essentially what this is, milestones can always be circumvented by the enemy so that "victory" is never possible. For ex., if you use a definition of "areas secure," then the enemy will just retreat to his own territory until the other side grows weary of policing the "secure" areas, then attack as soon as they leave. (Something in the way the NVN foiled the "secure hamlets" strategy).

If you use some milestone of the Iraqi government doing certain things, well, that's just ridiculous. As I point out in my public talks, the French, who had their independence from monarchy in 1789, had civil wars for the next HUNDRED YEARS and didn't have a truly "stable" government until the 1950s. England was even worse, having civil wars some 400 years after the Magna Carta.

Once you tie yourself to ANY "milestone" except common sense and the elimination of the threat, then you are setting yourself up for defeat.

16 posted on 08/24/2007 10:53:46 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: LS

I think we need clear conditions for victory. We can’t just send troops to places without a clear idea of what the objective is.


17 posted on 08/24/2007 10:59:05 AM PDT by Hail Spode
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To: LS
"but in guerilla wars, which is essentially what this is, milestones can always be circumvented by the enemy so that "victory" is never possible"

OK - taking that argument and the logic behind it, which I acknowlege there is, then can't we both agree that defeat is easy to define?

18 posted on 08/24/2007 12:46:17 PM PDT by Impeach98 (Anti-war protestors should try holding rallies in Damascus and Tehran!)
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To: Hail Spode
"We can’t just send troops to places without a clear idea of what the objective is."

As Move America Forward views it the objective is to defeat a state sponsor of terror and leave Iraq as a nation that does not harbor, train, fund or sponsor Islamic terrorist groups.

19 posted on 08/24/2007 12:51:11 PM PDT by Impeach98 (Anti-war protestors should try holding rallies in Damascus and Tehran!)
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To: Impeach98

I defined victory, above, as eliminating a high enough percentage of the enemy that no further substantial attacks against the U.S. mainland can be launched, and only attacks with minimal results can be launched on our allies. That is achieved by killing enough terrorists as to render their organizations null and void.


20 posted on 08/24/2007 1:35:40 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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