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Lockheed tackles JSF power deficit
Flightglobal.com ^ | 24 Aug 07 | Stephen Trimble

Posted on 08/25/2007 10:43:49 AM PDT by Yo-Yo

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It certainly wouldn't do to have to reset the main genset breaker during final to a carrier landing!

1 posted on 08/25/2007 10:43:50 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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As long as the Pep Boys don’t suddenly appear on the HUD /obscure


2 posted on 08/25/2007 10:56:38 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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3 posted on 08/25/2007 11:03:53 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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“The power gap was caused by flawed design estimates based on the average power demand over several seconds”, says J D McFarlan, air vehicle integrated product team leader. “We’ll be billing this “cost overrun” to the various governments involved in the contract, over time, and hope to be greatly rewarded for our stupidity.”


5 posted on 08/25/2007 11:15:09 AM PDT by flowerplough (Oh, Marge, trying is just the first step toward failure...)
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400KW? That’s enough for 200 houses! Methinks that’s just a bit on the high side. That’s 540 horsepower used JUST for electrical generation.

I’m shocked.


6 posted on 08/25/2007 11:16:06 AM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: Yo-Yo

we are in the age of electric jets.


7 posted on 08/25/2007 11:22:41 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: NonValueAdded
Now that's funny on a couple of levels.

Just think, if GM teams with Exxon, on the HUD, they can show a tiger trying to get into the gas tank when low on fuel.

8 posted on 08/25/2007 11:41:11 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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How many radars does the plane have?


9 posted on 08/25/2007 11:47:25 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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That's a lot of power, but it is a single engine craft, with (I assume) a single generator.

I didn't work on them, but I think the F-14 had a pair of 90 KVA generators.

10 posted on 08/25/2007 12:10:14 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: Don W

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is an all electric jet. Instead of bleed air from the engines, electrical power is used to actuate the surfaces, and the brakes. What hydraulic power that is still required is generated with electric pumps.

The 787 has two engines, each with two 250 KVA generators. That’s a total of 1 MVA of power available. The APU has two 225 KVA generators.

Of course, that is overkill, designed so that the aircraft can safely fly on on generator of one engine.


11 posted on 08/25/2007 12:33:56 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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> 400KW? That’s enough for 200 houses!

Well, they are sorta thinkin’ that the VTOL airframe
could substitute a directed energy weapon for the
vertical lift fan. It would need a lot of power.


12 posted on 08/25/2007 12:42:34 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: Don W

2 kW per house? My wife’s hair dryer sucks that alone. Try an average of 7 kW per house.


13 posted on 08/25/2007 12:57:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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Yeah 7K is closer. Although if you have an all-electric house and turned on all the big juice suckers at the same time (e.g. A/C, water heater, washing machine, dryer, stove and oven) you’d probably need about 30K or 40K. But that’s still 10 times less than what this one plane is using!

The more I hear about the JSF, the more I think it should be trash canned.


14 posted on 08/25/2007 1:10:24 PM PDT by RatSlayer
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This comes as no surprise. Lockheed was $100 million over budget during the flyoff with the X-32 and if the government hadn’t let them off the hook for that screw up Boeing would have won the contract by default.


15 posted on 08/25/2007 1:13:44 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Yo-Yo

Just install some solar panels.


16 posted on 08/25/2007 1:16:46 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Don W
400KW? That’s enough for 200 houses! Methinks that’s just a bit on the high side.

This is for a short duration power load, not average power. Control surfaces that are typically hydraulic are now electric. Should all of these control surface activate at once, combined with all of the other systems that can be operational, the power consumption would exceed the power generation capability of the generators.

I work on a system that normally draws less than 100 watts, but when active, can draw thousands of watts for a few hundred milliseconds.

How much power do you think the JSF should use?

17 posted on 08/25/2007 1:31:43 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Check with your electric utility. The average base loading is considered between 1 and 2 KW per residence. Of course there are times when more is being drawn, but the basic rule is as stated.


18 posted on 08/25/2007 2:13:12 PM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: Doe Eyes

I was merely stating my surprize at the electrical demands of the aircraft.


19 posted on 08/25/2007 2:14:10 PM PDT by Don W (I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me.)
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To: RatSlayer

The more I hear about it, the more i like it =D

look at some of the discussions at Strategypage.com , lots of the technical detail is way over my head. But I’m convince it’s a 1st rate fighter that will meet the needs of our country for a long time to come.

try this

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20070822.aspx


20 posted on 08/25/2007 2:18:02 PM PDT by a_chronic_whiner (Mary Poppins: "That's a piecrust promise. Easily made, easily broken")
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