Third Party Myths; or, Why You'd Be Nuts to Leave the GOP

TheVanguard.org ^ | April 16, 2002 | Rod D. Martin

[gcruse]

Now Jean-Paul Marat, there was a hot head. These couch warriors could learn from him. But watch out for Charlotte Corday.

[ClaireSolt]

Anyone who has already made up his mind doesn’t understand what the election process is about and has already given up his power. This is the season when politicians are most open to listening to voters. Rather than scanning their past histories and evaluating their Halloween costumes, watch to see who responds best to the national conversation. If you want attention to an issue or value this is the time to be active in the arena of ideas. How you may or may not vote two years from now is just an idle threat. Wouldn’t you rather have your way?

[Sudetenland]

I hear a lot of Bush bashin around here, as though his single (and admittedly major)fault of blindness to the illegal immigration issue erases all the good he has done.

His judidical appointees alone will guarantee him to be one of the best and most conservative Presidents in history. He has been tireless in his battle against terrorism and he has been constant in his refusal to compromise in the War in Iraq.

He has been a staunch defender of life, and I believe he will go down in history as one of the very best Presidents.

I would rather have a liberal moderate like Rudy, who I know will do his utmost to defeat the terrorists and protect this nation than a lying, treasonous, sausage thighed, prima donna, with a defective memory any day.

General: "Madame President/Dictator for life, did you or did you not just say to bomb Pakistan with Nnuclear weapons?"

Hellary Cliton: "I'm sorry general, I can't recall that. I don't remember. I'm not clear about that..............."

[Ingtar]

D. I’m still not voting for Rudy.

[Bigun]

Stupidity isn't a Conservative ideal either. Although from the remarks by the better Hillary than Giuliani crowd around here you might be led to believe so.

Ain't it the truth!

The time to defeat potential nominees is in the primary and I won't be voting for Rudy or Mitt in that contest but if either does survive and the choice in November is one of them or Hillery you can bet your boots that I will vote for the lesser evil as, at least in my book, to do otherwise is simply insane.

[mgstarr]

There’s a difference between being played to in the primaries and what seems to happen once the politician gets elected.

[penowa]

"If Republicans can somehow, some way nab Senator Lieberman and convince him to formally switch parties, it would set the stage for a future Reaganesque party."

Huh? Want to explain what Joe Lieberman, a Socialist but not Peacenik Democrat, joining the Republican party has to do with the conservative Republican party that Ronald Reagan formed?

[N3WBI3]

What the GOP needs to do is pick every single non conflicting want these groups have..

Pro-Life
Small constitutional Government
Stream line regulations for business
Other than issues like life where a person is killed get out of peoples lives..

[Sudetenland]

Diogenes!

At last, an honest conservative. I agree whole heartedly. I will press for Duncan Hunter though I don't believe he could be elected dog-catcher in a national contest, and for Thompson, if he lives up to expectations. But if it winds up Rudy, then-So be it!

[billbears]

Every so often, someone decides that the world is too corrupt to reform. And they start a political party. Sometimes this makes sense. More often, though, it's just foolishness, and bad stewardship to boot. And for Christians today, that's exactly where things stand.

LOLOLOL!!! Oh I really can't stop laughing. The reason this nation doesn't have valid third parties whereas almost every other nation in the world has them is because God doesn't want it. It's bad stewardship!! Now I do believe I've seen the Gospel of Christ used in every imaginable, and unimaginable, way known. Pitiful. And slightly sick.

[Eagle Eye]

IOW, all your base are belong to us, right?

[roamer_1]

If you sit out the election because your particular favorite is not in the running, you will be as responsible for electing Hillary of Edwards as any Demonrat who votes for them.

How condescending. It isn't my particular candidate, thank you very much. I will vote for any candidate that is qualified by conservative principles, and has a conservative record to stand upon.

At some point y'all are going to have to stop this boogey-man "lesser evil" crap. It isn't going to work, and all it does is piss off those you are berating.

The final epiphany will occur when you stop blaming the hard right, Christians, and Libertarians for Republican woes. It is the Republican failure to build a coalition. It is the Republican failure to adhere to it's platform. It is the Republican failure to produce a field of conservative candidates to choose from. Why do you think the RNC is at record low donations?

RudyMcRomney is not an acceptable candidate. Therefore if RudyMcRomney is our candidate in the general election he will lose. The sooner y'all come to grips with that, and get behind someone to vote FOR, someone who honors the traditional Republican platform (and has a record to back it up) the better it will be for all of us.

[papasmurf]

I became a Declarationist tonight.

[gcruse]

I never heard of declarationist before. It looks like an Alan Keyes thing, which is fine, but he’s already lost a few times, hasn’t he?

[papasmurf]

LOL

Michael Moriarty, an ex co worker of FRed Thompson coined it. I read about it in THIS thread.

[N3WBI3]

The GOP learned a short lived lesson in 1992 and in 1994 they went back to small government. In 2006 after growing the government for 4+ years they had to learn again, hopefully they did..

[penowa]

"We need more BATFE agents, can't have Americans with guns, just ask Hillary."

OR RUDY!!!

Anybody who prefers to keep what little is left of the Constitution is a "self-righteous prig" according to you. Try thinking, IF that's within your limited abilities, which I find doubtful. Rudy and Hillary are BOTH ANTI-2nd Amendment gun-grabbers. Look at his record, not his states' rights B.S. that he spouts to bamboozle nitwits like you. He is AS BAD as Hillary and he will NEVER EVER get my vote.

[ClaireSolt]

There seems to be, but that is because you are passive. The candidates are trying to win, its true, but they are also responding to the electorate. It is a new day, even after election, as the defeat of immigration and Harriet Myers show. Now it is all on TV and the net. It is more transparent.

[donmeaker]

In the US system to get to make policy you need 51 percent, at least. If you start with 30 percent, you don’t have as far to go as you would if you started with 3 percent, in a new party.

If your specific ideas have merit, convince the 30 percent that currently broadly agree with you on personal responsibility, government as the problem instead of as the cure. If you can’t convince them, you can’t convince the others.

[mgstarr]

...but that is because you are passive.

Not hardly.