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Challenging the Generals
The New York Times ^ | 26 August 2007 | Fred Kaplan

Posted on 08/26/2007 10:21:51 AM PDT by rahbert

On Aug. 1, Gen. Richard Cody, the United States Army’s vice chief of staff, flew to the sprawling base at Fort Knox, Ky., to talk with the officers enrolled in the Captains Career Course. These are the Army’s elite junior officers. Of the 127 captains taking the five-week course, 119 had served one or two tours of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, mainly as lieutenants. Nearly all would soon be going back as company commanders. A captain named Matt Wignall, who recently spent 16 months in Iraq with a Stryker brigade combat team, asked Cody, the Army’s second-highest-ranking general, what he thought of a recent article by Lt. Col. Paul Yingling titled “A Failure in Generalship.” The article, a scathing indictment that circulated far and wide, including in Iraq, accused the Army’s generals of lacking “professional character,” “creative intelligence” and “moral courage.”

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KEYWORDS: afghanistan; genx; iraq
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Is this different than any other past war we have fought?
1 posted on 08/26/2007 10:21:52 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: rahbert

The author, Fred Kaplan, is trying to sell his book:

http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470121181.html


2 posted on 08/26/2007 10:27:51 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
WOW, he is an ultimate left wing lunatic.
3 posted on 08/26/2007 10:43:23 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: holdonnow; sono; rodguy911; Bahbah; Just Lori; HonestConservative; eeevil conservative; ...

Sheesh ping


4 posted on 08/26/2007 10:44:51 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Today's stolen graphics courtesy of: http://arewelumberjacks.blogspot.com/)
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To: AliVeritas

I imagine that these days firing generals like Marshall did would be impossible, like trying to get rid of tenured professors. Also, captains leave partly because they are in great demand in the private sector where they can make a ton of money.


5 posted on 08/26/2007 11:16:45 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: rahbert

I didn’t know that Officer Advanced Courses were down to 5 weeks. I can remember when they were 6 months.


6 posted on 08/26/2007 11:42:20 AM PDT by Ceebass
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To: rahbert

The Captain is right. If more senior generals had spoken up against Rumsfeld’s belief that fewer than necessary troops were needed, perhaps we would have gone in with sufficient forces.

The “surge” is proof we did not have sufficient forces in Iraq.


7 posted on 08/26/2007 11:45:00 AM PDT by dominic flandry
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To: rahbert

***Is this different than any other past war we have fought?***

It’s no different than anybody’s past war. It’s the nature of war.

And the surge is working.


8 posted on 08/26/2007 11:50:25 AM PDT by kitkat (I refuse to let the DUers chase me off FR.)
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To: dominic flandry
Rumsfeld never planned for a long term US presence in Iraq.
Rumsfeld had no intention of being in Iraq THIS long.
He had enough troops to do what he wanted done.

As it turns out, what he didn’t want to happen happened.

Gen. Praeteus is now talking in terms of a 9-10 year US presence...exactly what Rumsfeld didn’t want nor accounted for.

Had we done it right, we probably should have followed the Powell doctrine.

9 posted on 08/26/2007 12:29:36 PM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: rahbert
McMaster’s own fate has reinforced these apprehensions. President Bush has singled out McMaster’s campaign at Tal Afar as a model of successful strategy. Gen. David Petraeus, now commander of United States forces in Iraq, frequently consults with McMaster in planning his broader counterinsurgency campaign. Yet the Army’s promotion board — the panel of generals that selects which few dozen colonels advance to the rank of brigadier general — has passed over McMaster two years in a row.

IMHO, this is not a good omen.

10 posted on 08/26/2007 1:23:43 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

It certainly doesn’t make much sense. H.R. McMaster was a hero of both wars in Iraq, with renowned victories at 73 Easting in 1991 and Tal Afar more recently. He was also selected to teach at West Point, which is usually considered a good sign for one’s career. Petraeus thought enough of him to rely on him in Iraq, but I guess the Army doesn’t think enough of him to give him a star.

General Cody himself has a pretty interesting history. He commanded TF Normandy, the task force of Apaches that eliminated two Iraqi radar sites to pave the way for the beginning of Operation Desert Storm, and in so doing, fired some of the first shots of the campaign.


11 posted on 08/26/2007 2:09:47 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: Ceebass

OAC’s not very long, but CGSC (now called ILE) is longer than heck.


12 posted on 08/26/2007 2:37:00 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: The Pack Knight; neverdem; CatoRenasci
H.R. McMaster was a hero of both wars in Iraq, with renowned victories at 73 Easting in 1991 and Tal Afar more recently.

Sounds like professional jealousy at work -- think back to when McMaster's 73 Easting tactics/engagement were being discussed on the various Discovery Channel programs on GW1. McMaster was then a Lieutenant Colonel (late 90s) and the guys on his board now were then full birds and above who hated to see him get all that publicity for what they regarded as just a stroke of dumb luck. Never mind that his "dumb luck" was being played on every sand table professional armor school you care to name in the Free World...

And thus it has ever been WRT military promotion, especially to flag rank. I believe the President can intervene, however. I am open to comment/clarification on that.

13 posted on 08/26/2007 2:54:08 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45
The FReeper Foxhole Revisits The Battle of 73 EASTING - 1991
14 posted on 08/26/2007 3:15:36 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: rahbert

I was wondering how long it would take the Left to drop their bogus “we support the troops” facade, and get back to good old-fashioned “militarism” bashing. Now I know; although there have certainly been enough hit pieces demanding General Officer accountability for Abu Ghraib, Haditha, Pat Tillman, etc., those were not necessarily blanket condemnations of the military’s senior leadership. This marks a new level of brazenness for the NYT, et al. It wouldn’t surprise me to see outright attacks on anyone “low” enough to join an all-volunteer military.


15 posted on 08/26/2007 3:44:24 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: neverdem

First of all, we do not know if McMaster has other problems. He could be a womanizer. He could have some black mark in his records no one wants to make public, but that would preclude promotion.

More importantly, Yingling is a Democrat shill groomed to rise in the Army and provide them cover for whatever bizarre positions they want.


16 posted on 08/26/2007 4:34:24 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

And you know what . . . there is within the article here a manifestation of preference and empathy on the part of the writer. He does not look at who he is praising and ask . . . why are these men not leading their troops with 100% of their energies, rather than writing articles?

There is nothing wrong with writing scholarly articles as an officer. The problem here is the reporter is looking around only for those who do — presuming that they are the cream of the crop. They are not. The military is NOT a place where the most effective doer of extreme violence to the enemy is the man who writes articles and therefore should be promoted.

The military of the US exists to crushingly destroy the enemy. Not to make friends. Not to make people the world over like and respect them. The purpose is to smash. To induce horror at the thought of them on the battlefield. Officers who can do that might not be those who write articles and appeal to the sensibilities of reporters.


17 posted on 08/26/2007 4:45:57 PM PDT by Owen
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To: rahbert

these criticisms arre really directed at President Bush and VP Cheney. The army needs to rid itself of a bunch of malcontent officers.


18 posted on 08/26/2007 4:54:41 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Owen
First of all, we do not know if McMaster has other problems. He could be a womanizer. He could have some black mark in his records no one wants to make public, but that would preclude promotion.

He was promoted to colonel in 2003 and assigned as director, Commander's Advisory under Gen. John Abizaid, commander of the U.S. Central command in Iraq. McMaster was assigned to the command of the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in May 2004. The regiment was deployed to Iraq for its second tour there last March.

That would seem to have happened rather recently.

More importantly, Yingling is a Democrat shill groomed to rise in the Army and provide them cover for whatever bizarre positions they want.

What's basis the basis for calling Yingling a Democrat shill?

19 posted on 08/26/2007 5:11:13 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Owen
And your proof of this would be...?

Maybe LTC Yingling doesn’t know what he is talking about after participating in the most successful tactical campaign of the insurgency....

On the other hand, just maybe in the “zero defect” “do more with less” 1990’s, we managed to promote a generation of risk averse, e-mail aficionados who think leadership is best practiced on a keyboard.

20 posted on 08/26/2007 7:12:39 PM PDT by redlegplanner
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