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Challenging the Generals
The New York Times ^ | 26 August 2007 | Fred Kaplan

Posted on 08/26/2007 10:21:51 AM PDT by rahbert

On Aug. 1, Gen. Richard Cody, the United States Army’s vice chief of staff, flew to the sprawling base at Fort Knox, Ky., to talk with the officers enrolled in the Captains Career Course. These are the Army’s elite junior officers. Of the 127 captains taking the five-week course, 119 had served one or two tours of duty in Iraq or Afghanistan, mainly as lieutenants. Nearly all would soon be going back as company commanders. A captain named Matt Wignall, who recently spent 16 months in Iraq with a Stryker brigade combat team, asked Cody, the Army’s second-highest-ranking general, what he thought of a recent article by Lt. Col. Paul Yingling titled “A Failure in Generalship.” The article, a scathing indictment that circulated far and wide, including in Iraq, accused the Army’s generals of lacking “professional character,” “creative intelligence” and “moral courage.”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; genx; iraq
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To: rahbert

What is being described here is bureaucracy.

The problems in he military, are no different than in any other government agency or large corporation, they are just more critical.

Jack Welch, ex-CEO of General Electric, advises corporation to keep their management levels and numbers low, especially middle management.

It is the nature of large organizations to promote those who have performed well or who have been there a long time. This generates bloat, conformity, and descent in the ranks.

It is human nature.


21 posted on 08/26/2007 7:15:46 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: stylin19a

It is possible the problem was replacing retired Gen. Garner with Paul Bremmer, a state Department choice. Garner knew how to handle that kind of situation, Bremmer was a bureaucrat with a smarmy personality and approach.


22 posted on 08/26/2007 7:21:23 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: The Pack Knight

It is possible that promoting McMasters would promote him out of the function he is now performing, one that is extremely valuable and successful. Would a General be doing what he is doing?

He will get his when the time comes.


23 posted on 08/26/2007 7:25:22 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: dominic flandry

Eric Shinseki spoke up and didn’t get a warm reception from Rumsfeld and Bush.


24 posted on 08/26/2007 7:40:27 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: stylin19a
Had we done it right, we probably should have followed the Powell doctrine.

Rumsfeld ignored the Weinberger-Powell doctrine.

25 posted on 08/26/2007 7:42:22 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: The Pack Knight

McMaster is also the author of a highly regarded book:

http://tinyurl.com/27apvb


26 posted on 08/26/2007 7:45:10 PM PDT by Pelham (theTerryAndersonShow.com)
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To: rahbert; qam1
Yet the scene at Fort Knox reflected a brewing conflict between the Army’s junior and senior officer corps — lieutenants and captains on one hand, generals on the other, with majors and colonels (“field-grade officers”) straddling the divide and sometimes taking sides.

It's not Junior vs Senior Officers, it is Gen X (Majors and Lt Colonels) and Gen Y (Lt's and Captains) vs Baby Boomer Colonels and Generals.

I saw it when I was in. A Colonel was giving a big OPD (Officer Professional Development) Speech on passing promotion boards. He talked the usual straight line bullshit about command positions and making sure your photo looked good ignoring the fact that the army had half as many divisions and thus command positions as it did when he was getting promoted.

I asked him: "How many boards have you been through?" and he said: "Well, up to Major was pretty much automatic--90% promotion rates in the 80's, but I got a real hard look making LTC and Col."

I responded: "Yes sir, I've been through an accession board in my last year of ROTC, 1991, to determine if I would go on Active Duty. In my first year I went through a retention board to remain on active duty. I was boarded to 1LT (unheard of previously), made it through another retention board in my 3rd year and then made it through a Captain's board where they only took the top half (1994)."

It's pretty much the same thing as the boomer program manager giving career advice to the software engineer working as a waiter--'cuz the money is better, the hours are better and they can't outsource you!

The world has changed incredibly in the past 20 years, but because there is a huge echo chamber that reflects the ideas and biases back to the senior managers and leaders (boomers), nobody at the senior level recognizes any changes....

27 posted on 08/26/2007 7:53:14 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Jack Welch, ex-CEO of General Electric, advises corporation to keep their management levels and numbers low, especially middle management.

Yeah--a rotten philandering old fart who ran GE into the ground.

28 posted on 08/26/2007 7:54:23 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Cogadh na Sith; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
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Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

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29 posted on 08/26/2007 8:20:41 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Pelham

Nor from a lot of armchair military experts around here.


30 posted on 08/26/2007 9:35:01 PM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: misterrob

I suspect a lot these resident experts have little exposure to the military. Certainly Limbaugh and Hannity don’t, despite their enthusiasm for the troops, and they promote the idea that all disputes can be seen through the lens of Democrat vs Republican.

So criticisms of Rumsfeld and the Administration got dismissed as being liberal or pro-Democrat posturing. Disputes inside the military or between the uniforms and their civilian bosses have a life of their own and we’d all be better served if the public had a better grasp of this.


31 posted on 08/26/2007 10:00:04 PM PDT by Pelham (End Anchor Babies now)
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To: Pelham

Shinseki was a Clinton holdover.


32 posted on 08/26/2007 10:42:41 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Pelham

quit blaming Rummy. He won overwhelming victories in Afghanistan and Iraq, when the naysayers said it couldn’t be done. If the Democrats and the MSM hadn’t given aid and comfort to the enemy, this would be over by now. Rush may not have served, but he’s a brilliant man who would be a pretty good military strategist if he had the opportunity.


33 posted on 08/26/2007 10:51:00 PM PDT by balch3
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To: rahbert
Yet Nagl has written that soldiers have been posted to this unit “on an ad hoc basis” and that few of the officers selected to train them have ever been advisers themselves.

This is nothing new. When I was in SEA I once had some duty at a Special Forces camp. Over drinks, one of the SF guys told me about an Army officer who had been assigned as advisor to the Commandant of the Thai Army War College. It turned out that the Commandant of the College was a graduate of the US Army War College, but the advisor had not attended the US Army War College.

I thought this problem might be unique to the US Army. However, long after I retired I attended a conference on US military doctrine. At lunch I sat with a retired General from the Syrian Army. He had been a division commander before retirement. He related that the Soviets had sent two advisors, for himself and his deputy. Both he and his deputy were graduates of the Frunze Academy, the Soviet Union's top military school. Neither of the two Soviet advisors had attended the Frunze.

There is apparently a tendency in all armies to treat the position of "advisor" as something almost anyone can do. No prior experience, no prior training, needed.

34 posted on 08/27/2007 8:11:57 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: rahbert

Interesting article, even given the odious nature of the newspaper.


35 posted on 08/27/2007 8:48:28 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Yeah--a rotten philandering old fart who ran GE into the ground.

I wasn't aware GE had been run into the ground. Last I heard it was still one of the most successful and admired companies around, as is Mr. Welsh. Can you give me a clue as to what you are talking about?

36 posted on 08/27/2007 8:52:46 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Last I heard it was still one of the most successful and admired companies around, as is Mr. Welsh. Can you give me a clue as to what you are talking about?

Well, he was porking Suzy Wetfinger, or whatever her name was from Harvard Business Review.... She had to resign and his wife got the largest divorce settlement in history.

He rode the boom from 1980 to 2002 while he spun off companies and cut workers. The economy was so strong a chimp could have done it....

Let me be more precise: he gave a lot of other old dopes ideas that allowed them to run a lot of companies into the ground in the 90's.

Jack Welch is no more a fantastic business man than Ted Turner--and just as dopey.

37 posted on 08/27/2007 9:21:09 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith
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To: The Pack Knight
I think we are confusing H.R. McMaster with Douglas A. Macgregor regarding 73 Easting. McGregor wrote “Breaking the Phalanx” as a field grade officer which made him a bit of a “young Turk” in the Army. Like the officers mentioned in this article, Mcgregor was, i believe, also rewarded for his intellect and insight with a “passover” BG. Of course, there is always Ralph Peters whose outspoken articles got him a passover to Colonel.
38 posted on 08/27/2007 10:11:05 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: Pelham

As I understand, that was his big research project while he was a history instructor at West Point. He left for CGSC right before my plebe year there.


39 posted on 08/27/2007 10:13:12 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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To: RedEyeJack

I’m quite certain H.R. McMaster was a troop commander (E 2/2 ACR) at 73 Easting. His troop initiated contact with the Tawakalna Division, and his attack was what decided the battle.


40 posted on 08/27/2007 10:18:50 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country)
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