Posted on 08/26/2007 10:25:49 AM PDT by monomaniac
Dr. Alveda King is a racist moron whose only purpose in life is to perpetuate racism and victimism.
If it weren’t for people like her, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton we wouldn’t have near the amount of racism as is in this country today.
Americans need to make their own way in this country and not depend upon handouts and an attitude that they can’t better themselves.
Tou will never truly be an American until you can stop adding prefixes that make you something different (African-American, Mexican-American, Latin-American, Irish-American, Polish-American, etc.)
Don’t say African-American. Say American of African descent. Don’t say Irish-American, Say American of Irish descent.
Being American means being American 100% and not asking for a handout. A handout is what Americans give to lesser people.
- Rev. Archibald James Carey, Jr. 1952
It does have a powerful and familiar ring. Thanks for the history lesson, fieldmarshaldj. I know you are just serving mankind in ways the MSM won't.
Dr. Alveda King votes Republican, I think, when the Republican is pro-life. She certainly votes pro-life, and she has been an articulate opponent of abortion for much of her adult life, having been subjected to a forced abortion at one point which she sincerely regrets and has spoken of openly & frequently.
Whoa, hold the phone there, Hoss. Alveda King is absolutely nothing like Je$$e Jack$son and Al $harpton. Unlike those two racist buffoons looking to expand their bottom line through extortion, she is actually genuinely interested in uplifting the community and speaking out on bonafide social ills. She is neither a racist, nor a moron. Ask yourself when was the last time those two buffoons spoke out on abortion. They’re not interested in the least.
From January 8th, 1962 until 1968 Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and our donk government had a policy to discredit and destroy the reputation Dr.King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. He was a threat to the Democrat Party, not the GOP.
RFK could’t prove his spurious claims about MLKjr’s “morally dubious character” and communist ties with all his wiretaps and the investigative powers of the FBI but he did succeed in getting you and James Earl Ray to believe them.
No, I said there was no evidence he was a Republican after 1960. His father switched in 1960, and in all likelihood, MLK, Jr. voted for Kennedy that year. Junior was someone who viewed the federal government as the solution to the Black community's problems. As we've seen since, it has been an unheralded disaster the likes of which even the Klan couldn't have accomplished in hundreds of years.
"From January 8th, 1962 until 1968 Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy and our donk government had a policy to discredit and destroy the reputation Dr.King and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. He was a threat to the Democrat Party, not the GOP."
RFK was only Attorney General until mid-1964. J. Edgar Hoover routinely monitored many individuals in the Civil Rights, from the radicals to lesser so types. There were genuine concerns of Communist infiltration in these groups (and, in many instances, there were).
"RFK could’t prove his spurious claims about MLKjr’s “morally dubious character” and communist ties with all his wiretaps and the investigative powers of the FBI but he did succeed in getting you and James Earl Ray to believe them."
Thanks for lumping me in with an assassin, btw. The fact that King was a plagarist is about as obvious as can be, and that speech was lifted from a Black Republican minister and political activist. Rev. Carey was a bonafide Republican. It was also well-known that King had considerable sexual appetites, and had relations with women not his wife. The SCLC also had Communists such as Jack O'Dell & Bayard Rustin working for them, which you should do some research on. You should also realize, too, that there had been considerable interest from the far left (initially with Whites, though some were Black) with making common-cause with Blacks and Civil Rights groups (often using the latter as a front) for the long-term goal of causing cultural destabilization and revolution (one of the points of attack from the Soviet Union, along with taking over our educational system, a goal that was fully realized). O'Dell's hero was Paul Robeson, a committed Stalinist, who was supporting the likes of Henry Wallace for President only 12 years before the Nixon-Kennedy contest. Wallace himself was a Communist. Some have called MLK, Jr. himself a closeted Communist. I would not go so far as to claim that, but he had moved to a far-left position by 1968. I'm not sure what you're getting so hysterical about in your posts, since the luster came off the King's crown a long time ago. I think we should honor, instead, many of those unsong heroes who believed in the American ideal applying to all races, and not ones who have cynically exploited the notions to line their own pockets and puff up their own egos. I personally find Booker T. Washington a far more inspirational figure, and he knew about the likes of race-baiting charlatans that we see today over 100 years ahead of time. His birthday should be a national holiday.
So sad.
{Junior was someone who viewed the federal government as the solution to the Black community’s problems.}
Sadly this notion is engrained in the Black Community. Blacks are convinced that American Society is rigged against them. Therefore, an intrusive federal govt is needed to level the playing field.
I do think White conservatives need to treat other Black conservatvies a bit better. The way Ken Blackwell was treated by the White RINOs was dreadful. The late Reggie White was disappointed with the NRCC for not supporting Ron Greer seriously in 1998.
This goes back to the Reconstruction era, and is not without substance. Because the states, southern, for the most part, could not be counted on to protect the newly-freed and newly-enfranchised rights of Blacks, they had to look to the federal government (via troops and officials) for help. When the Hayes Administration (in a dirty deal made with Democrats to ensure they wouldn't obstruct his administration over the dubious 1876 election results) ended Reconstruction, pulled the federal troops and support that was keeping GOP governments in place in the south, it was quite probably the worst days imaginable for the Black citizenry, because with their departure meant it was open season on them by White Democrats, and over the next 20 years, White Dems systematically stripped them of their rights until by 1900, all the gains made were gone, and they were de facto slaves again.
Of course, it's a different era now, and those are no longer the greatest issues facing them, since their rights have been restored again, and they don't have to be done via posted federal troops in certain states in question. It's liberal policies from the top down at the federal level that have laid to waste the Black community over the past 40+ years that could never be accomplished under even the most oppressive Jim Crow governments in the interim between Reconstruction and 1964.
You assume that Miss King is a Democrat and voted for The Rapist. She is not and, I am sure, she did not. She has been on the side of good all her life. For her to be a Pastoral Associate of Priests for Life means she is a minister of another faith who is a close collaborator in the work of that group of Catholic priests.
Lets hope you are right.. I expect the worse but hope for the best.. as an Opto-pessimist..
Which explains why the MSM ignores her, as well as MLK Jr.'s youngest daughter, Bernice King, when they dicuss the King family "legacy"
That makes me a pesso-pessimist.
The fact he went to the dark side can be partly blamed on the GOP failing to live up to their rhetoric though. MLK originally endorsed Nixon in 1960 and planned to vote for him, but it was Nixon who made a fatal mistake. When MLK Jr. was arrested at a peaceful sit-in in Atlanta, Georgia, Robert Kennedy telephoned the judge and helped secure King's release, but Nixon sat back and did nothing. This caused MLK, who had previously been a lifelong registered Republican, switch his support to Kennedy.
As evidenced by Bernice King and Alevada King's political leanings, there is still a faction of conservative Republicans in the King family and we need to acknowledge and welcome that since the MSM would have America associate the King name with blind support for the RAT Party. MLK has a mixed legacy, and the King family today seems very divided, probably much of it stems from his assassination.
It's ironic, when I started to study these guys closely, I realized "peaceful tolerant" King started off as a conservative and slowly moved hard left, whereas "radical separatist" Malcolm X started off as a leftist nut and slowly moved towards conservatism.
"Personally I think MLK Jr. did a lot of good in advancing civil rights in this country and was instrumental in much of the early successes of the 50s"
The thing is that he was one of many, many people involved in something that had been going on for nearly a century at that point. The media today choosing to almost exclusively focus on him and elevating a man with serious character flaws to sainthood I think is truly unfortunate, and insulting to all the people that had a hand in trying to right years-old wrongs. Have you ever heard of Rev. Vernon Johns ? Johns was MLK, Jr's predecessor at Dexter Ave. Baptist Church, and was quite a force of nature in his own right, trying to light a fire under everyone. I saw James Earl Jones's portrayal of him in a made for tv movie 13 years ago, and it was very impressive ("The Vernon Johns Story"). If you haven't seen it, I'd recommend it. I'd like to see it again myself, but they never run it. I'm trying to read through an online bio of the man (a tad meandering, but you might find it interesting): http://www.vernonjohns.org/tcal001/vjtofc.html
"(though in 1955, Rosa Parks was really the initiator in Montgomery and King only got aboard after he was pushed to do so)."
I'd have rated Johns as far more prominent than Parks by any stretch at that period. Parks and the incident on the bus (as with the Scopes Monkey Trial) were specifically media-created events. The fact, too, that Parks was a product of the far-left Highlander Folk School here in TN (which many claimed was nothing but a training center for Communist activists), also I think diminishes her.
"Unfortunately, by the mid 1960s the fame went to his head and he got too far in bed with the socialists. (Agree with you that the people who claim MLK Jr. was a card-carrying communist are exaggerating)"
I think he also acquired a martyr complex, which might also have been the reason why he acted in the manner with which he did. I think sadder than anything else was that his leaving his children fatherless caused profound psychological damage to the King family. To my knowledge, none of the children have ever married or had children of their own (so MLK would not even be a grandfather today). I have no idea what kind of mother Coretta was, although it was obviously ingrained in the children that they needed to live their lives not for themselves, but for a false sainted impression that their father's image was raised to. I would've hated to have been one of those kids. I think he would've similarly hated that, too. We forget that these people are human beings with needs like the rest of us... but I digress...
"The fact he went to the dark side can be partly blamed on the GOP failing to live up to their rhetoric though."
The question remains whether the GOP could've done enough to satisfy the critical mass movement towards entirely government-based left-wing DuBois/Marcus Garvey-style solutions. Goldwater himself was pro-civil rights, unlike cretins such as Albert Gore, Sr. who straddled the fence in order not to scare the White folk, but Goldwater honestly believed that the tack Civil Rights was leading would have seriously negative consequences, that it was moving away from personal responsibility to government responsibility, and this, as we've seen today, has had ghastly repercussions. Even to point out that the emerging problems of the Black community in the 1960s was to get attacked as a racist (look at what happened when Pat Moynihan addressed in a report the uptick in out-of-wedlock births !). Because the dominant viewpoint by the end of the '60s was to dismiss old-timers preaching personal responsibility (Booker T. Washington, George Washington Carver, Vernon Johns), over "societal responsibility", it's why the Black community became almost uniformally radicalized in such a short period of time. Perhaps part of the mentality (which is frankly hard for us to understand, because we don't know what it was like to be Black in those days) is that they went from having little, being an oppressed class, to seeing they could have it all, and demanding it all, within the span of about 15 years, without knowing or acquiring the wisdom how to properly manage those newfound rights and exercise them in a responsible way. To go from "we shall overcome" to "burn, baby, burn" in that period shows just how overwhelming that change was, and not exclusively for the better. Never a cooling-off period or "moderating" period. This was, of course, not the first time it had happened, because it occurred 90 years earlier in the 1860s and 1870s, but Whites reacted to their suddenly being knocked off the perch of supremacy in a very violent manner. The sad part of Reconstruction was that there was never a large enough group of people that saw it as a singularly incredible opportunity to fully assimilate and integrate Blacks into society and truly make them equal partners in our great American experiment. Rather than having another century pass of racist indignities, lack of opportunities, and the like, we could've, by the early 1900s, largely resolved many of our problems and become a fully-functioning biracial nation. Maybe I'm being too optimistic in my expectations of the time, maybe it is sadly true that racism is something too difficult to stamp out, no matter how supposedly enlightened the people are. :-(
"MLK originally endorsed Nixon in 1960 and planned to vote for him, but it was Nixon who made a fatal mistake. When MLK Jr. was arrested at a peaceful sit-in in Atlanta, Georgia, Robert Kennedy telephoned the judge and helped secure King's release, but Nixon sat back and did nothing. This caused MLK, who had previously been a lifelong registered Republican, switch his support to Kennedy."
I need to address this again, because I touched on it previously in this thread. I have never seen any definitive evidence that MLK, Jr. had endorsed Nixon in 1960 (all sources I have seen stated clearly that he was "neutral"). Only his father was openly Republican up to that point, and had endorsed Nixon -- until the Atlanta arrest, at which point after he became a Democrat.
"As evidenced by Bernice King and Alevada King's political leanings, there is still a faction of conservative Republicans in the King family and we need to acknowledge and welcome that since the MSM would have America associate the King name with blind support for the RAT Party. MLK has a mixed legacy, and the King family today seems very divided, probably much of it stems from his assassination."
Problem remains that it serves the media's interests to portray the Democrats/left as the sole inheritors of the Civil Rights issues, and keep Blacks and other non-Whites uniformily in their camp. They can dismiss other Blacks not subscribing to the far-left viewpoint as Uncle Toms, sellouts, Oreos, you name it.
"It's ironic, when I started to study these guys closely, I realized "peaceful tolerant" King started off as a conservative and slowly moved hard left, whereas "radical separatist" Malcolm X started off as a leftist nut and slowly moved towards conservatism."
I wonder where both men would've been by, say, 1980. MLK probably would've been carrying the water for Carter, and Malcolm perhaps endorsing Republicans ! The only problem with Malcolm X (and Black Muslims in general) is that while they do preach the self-reliance mantra, it wraps an often deeply racist and anti-Semitic (and anti-Christian) core. It's why it puts us in a serious bind. Endorse the far-left goals of the NAACP that isn't particularly interested in addressing the real problems in the community (abortion, lawlessness, lack of responsibility, failure to denounce the culture of hip-hop, etc) or the hate-filled rhetoric of Nation of Islam that gets some of the issues right. As you can see, no real middle ground, just extremist choices.
Courtesy Comment:
Excellent observation.
I wonder which Democrat candidate Ms. King will be supporting.
As far as I know none of the current Democratic candidates give a hoot how many babies, black, brown, yellow or white are murdered by ghoulish abortion doctors.
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