Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney Promises to Legalize Abortion (article title)

You have to be joking, right? ... “One thing about the Mormons, you will NEVER hear them put down another religion from the pulpit, or for that matter anywhere else.” You apparently are not aware that the founding principle of Mormonism is that ALL (yep, ALL) religions and sects of Chrsitianity were apostasy when Joe was ‘spoken to by god and jesus’ through an angel or directly (the story changed as time passed). You are apparently not aware that Mormonism claims entrants into God’s presence must have a Mormon baptism in person or by proxy. You are apparently unaware that Joe Smith rewrote the Bible to fabricate false prophesies of himself even Genesis! You really ought to do a bit of research before making such a rash comment with zero credibility. Mormonism is wholly sold out to the notion and proselytizing effort of ‘converting misguided christians’. Mormonism is founded on the lie that authority for salvation left humankind with the death of the last apostle and that everything that followed was apostasy in need of restoration of ‘the true gospel of temple obedience’.

Bwahahaha, you really are a twisted piece of Mormonism work.

“all part of the Godhead it is 3 seperate members of the Godhead.”

3 Gods no matter how you spin it.

Well to me this shows a lack of respect towards both faith who also have right to the dictate of their conscience.

I think if you used the word "define it" would have been more thoughtful in place of spin!

Oh goodie, now I can post to you? Make up your mind.

Its not the different in belief, it is how we treat each other, that reveals if we truly love and honor the God of our belief!

You cannot be prevented, twister. The moderator has told me to ignore you and another though. You are just too funny sometimes. Other times you earn your apologist wage. BTW, have you ever read the Smith rewrite of the Bible?

fproy, “He who must not be named” has asked me not to reply to him, but he’s labeling you with the same deceiver label he does anyone who refutes his latest round of Mormon Bashing. Even the non Mormon Mitt supporters he labels as Mormon Mitt Bots. He thinks if he says it enough, he will believe it. My advice, don’t bother. Your blood pressure will be better for it if you slowly back away.

I’ve seen him progress from a mild antagonist who actually appreciated the words of Talmage in Jesus the Christ, to a venomous hostile instigator. Be careful how you approach.
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Thank-you and how true.

ps. Maybe I should tell him my views on Mitt. I am still up in the air about him, but he is beginning to look like “the best of”. And I am not happy with some of what the last “the best of” gave us.

Luke 7
31 ¶ And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like?
32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.
33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil.
34 The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

John 15
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Yes, and I’ve read you say the same thing over and over and over, it about a hundred different threads. Joseph Smith changed the Bible to make a prophecies about himself.... blah blah blah, I dont’ think there is anyone on FR who hasn’t read your posts about that MHNinTN.

Well said. I hope Fred announces soon, he’s still up there in my book, but he’s losing ground. Right now Mitt is the best, and he’s not bad.

It would be just as accurate to say:
“Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney Promises to Criminalize Abortion

Actually it would be MORE accurate because abortion is already legal.

But that wouldn’t make the dishonest point you’re trying to fob off, would it?

It has been said that Satan is the father of all lies. You must have Beelzebub’s propaganda department on speed dial.”

You do realize that I copied the article title, and article
text verbatim - and without personal comment???

Well if you happen to come across anyone who hasn't read my posts reagrding Smith adding thousandss of words and creating prophesies about himslef, please inform them or let me know so I can post it again.

Here's the LDS link again, in case someone missed it ... pay special attention to start with the extras at the end of Chapter 50 in Genesis; Smith's rewrite of the start of Genesis is also instructive regarding 'gods': http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/contents

I think it’s your single mission in life.

“The LDS church has the greatest fruits of any CHRISTIAN or NON-CHRISTIAN church in the world.. you should discover them.”

and you’ve compared them ALL, so that you could make a universal claim??

Here's a chart the poster might find useful; appreciate the opportunity to post this again, 'TheDon':

The defintion of words in a dictionary changes based on changes in usage in the culture.

Mormon versus Christian definitions

Word...	Mormon	Christian
Atonement	(1) Used almost exclusively as a reference to Jesus' conquering physical death for all people. By conquering physical death, Jesus made it possible for all people to enter again into the presence of Heavenly Father - if for no other reason than to be judged by him. In other words, they are again 'at-one' with him (atoned). This will happen at Judgment Day. Those who have earned it will live in the Celestial Kingdom with Heavenly Father. Everyone else will live outside of the presence of Heavenly Father. (2) At times atonement includes the thought of Jesus' paying for people's sins. But underlying all such references is the thought that they have to pay him back. For a good example of the LDS view of Jesus' atoning work, see Gospel Principles chapter 12.	Jesus' complete payment, made once, for all the sins of all the people of the entire world. Hebrews 7:27: Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 1 Peter 3:18: For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. Through faith in Jesus' payment, we are given eternal life in heaven, and through faithing daily in His transformative work we are engrafted with His life while here on earth.
Bible	One of four books Mormons consider scripture. They believe it to be the Word of God "as far as it is translated correctly" (Eighth Article of Faith). They believe many precious parts have been lost from it (1 Nephi 13:28). Consequently they consider it the least reliable of the scriptures. Many Mormons are not familiar with it.	The inspired, complete and inerrant Word of God.
Damnation	Mormon's Plan of Salvation outlines an intricate process of progression toward eternal life (exaltation). Anything that stops a person in their progression, such as dying without having a celestial marriage, is considered damnation as it blocks or dams their progression.	The consequence of unbelief. Unbelief results in damnation, that is, suffering eternal punishment in hell.
Eternal Life (Exaltation)	Living eternally as a god, synonymous with godhood and exaltation. "Exaltation means the same thing as eternal life" (Learn of Me, p. 72). Eternal life is reserved for those who attain the highest level of the celestial kingdom. Mormons must become perfect, have received their endowment, and been married in the temple (Celestial Marriage) before they can earn eternal life. This eternal life will be lived both with Heavenly Father in the celestial kingdom and as god over their own world which they will populate with their own children.	By faith in Jesus' payment for our sins, we are given the gift of eternal life living with God in heaven as his children, literally children in His blood, His blood in us, as now direct heirs of God‘s life extended into us through the Blood of Christ.
Faith	(1) The belief that God exists and has given a good plan of salvation (Mormonism). (2) The power God gives Mormons whereby they can resist sin and become perfect. "But he must believe the truth, obey the truth, and practice the truth, to obtain the power of God called faith" (Past Living Prophet and President Brigham Young quoted in Teachings of Presidents of the Church Brigham Young p. 56). The more righteous a person is, the more power (faith) God will give him. "To those who have not begun the quest of comprehension, the word faith appears to be only a synonym for a kind of belief or conviction....It is a principle of power" (Sharing the Gospel Manual, p. 82).	The sure hope of our deliverance from death to eternal life in heaven. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit; faithing is the walk of living in that presence being transformed by the renewing of our mind.
Forgiveness	Must be earned through what may be "weeks, years, or centuries" of effort. To be forgiven of a sin, one must meet the demands of the LDS definition of repentance for that sin. God 'remembers' the original sin and you lose your forgiveness if you recommit the sin.	The undeserved gift of having your sins separated from you "as far as the east is from the west". Because Jesus paid our penalty as our substitute, we are considered guiltless by God. God does not remember our sins.
Gift	Mormonism has expanded the definition of the term 'gift'. The expanded definition includes as 'gifts' things which are rewarded to an individual only after first completing certain requirements or first demonstrating sufficient worthiness. The expanded definition also includes as 'gifts' things which once received, obligate the receiver to a set of conditions; which, if broken revoke the 'gift'. Most 'gifts' in Mormonism actually fall under the expanded part of the Mormon definition (eternal life, grace, forgiveness, the help of the Holy Ghost, most of God's many blessings). Mormon doctrine goes so far as to say that God is 'obligated' to give a particular 'gift' once the prescribed prerequisites have been achieved by the receiver of the gift. Most of the 'gifts' of Mormonism are not gifts but rewards, compensation, obligatory payments, and contracts.	A gift is something we receive which is undeserved, unearned, offered freely by the bestower.
Gospel	A term that refers to Mormonism in general. Or in particular, Mormonism's intricate plan of salvation. "Mormonism so-called - which actually is the gospel of Christ, restored anew this day" (Sharing the Gospel Manual, p. 176).	The "Good News" of free and full salvation (eternal life with God in heaven) won for mankind by Jesus Christ.
Grace	The power God gives people to save themselves, conditional on their earning it by doing all they can do on their own. "This grace is an enabling power that allows men and women to lay hold on eternal life and exaltation after they have expended their own best efforts" (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697). "We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do" (2 Nephi 25:23). This grace does not directly provide them with eternal life, but rather with the power to make up the difference between "all they can do" and perfection.	The unconditional, free gift of eternal life given in/to us through believing/faithing in Jesus' saving work. Ephesians 2:8-9: For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— ⁹not by works, so that no one can boast.
Heaven	Any of the three kingdoms Celestial, Terrestrial, and Telestial. Life even on the lowest kingdom will be much better than earth, and even the vilest of unbelievers will receive a life in heaven. "The book (Doctrine and Covenants) explains clearly that the lowest glory to which man is assigned is so glorious as to be beyond the understanding of man. It is a doctrine fundamental in Mormonism that the meanest sinner, in the final judgment, will receive a glory which is beyond human understanding, which is go great that we are unable to describe it adequately." (John A. Widtsoe, quoted in Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, p. 166). Yet, even in the highest kingdom all but those who have earned exaltation will have less than complete happiness. "How lonely and barren will be the so-called single blessedness throughout eternity!" (Temples of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 19).	God's glorious home, where all who believed in Jesus' saving work will live forever happy with him. Revelations 21:3-4: And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ⁴He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.".
Hell	(1) Not a place of eternal punishment but the temporary state of suffering wicked spirits experience in spirit prison before Judgment Day. "That part of the spirit world inhabited by wicked spirits who are awaiting the eventual day of resurrection is called hell....Hell will have an end" (Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, p. 165). (2) The regret the inhabitants of the lower kingdoms will experience as they see the glories of the celestial kingdom is described in Mormon literature as a kind of hell. (3) Mormons call Satan's domain Outer Darkness. Only those who leave the LDS church are sent to Outer Darkness.	Satan's domain of unending torment. Mark 9:47-48: And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, ⁴⁸where ‘their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.’ All unbelievers will be cast into hell. Matthew 25:41: "Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Justification	Unfamiliar term to most Mormons. Mormonism describes it as God's strict confirmation of the merits or demerits of man's own actions. In other words, LDS justification is God's act of rewarding people on their own actions, rewarding right and punishing wrong.	God declares us (believers/faithers) not guilty on the basis of Christ's atoning work.
Paid - As in "Jesus paid for my sins".	Mormonism uses the word 'paid' as a synonym for 'refinanced'. When a Mormon says "Jesus paid for my sins", he does not mean that he no longer owes the debt of sin, merely that the creditor and the terms have changed. The entire debt still remains to be paid!	When a Christian says "Jesus paid for my sins", he means that his entire payment for all his sin nature has been made, no more debt remains, no further payment is due or could even be made.
Repentance	"It is a long road spiked with thorns and briars and pitfalls and problems" Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness quoted in Gospel Principles, page 123. The Mormon definition includes: 1) sorrow for your sins. 2) abandoning [never again committing] each and every sin. 3) confessing each sin. 4) restitution, as far as it is possible, for every sin ever committed. 5) freely forgive anyone who ever sinned against you. 6) obedience to all of God's other commands [in essence - perfection]. 7) perform works to make up for the sin. 8) there can be no repentance without punishment. 9) you will not even desire to commit the sin again! Points 1-7 referenced in Gospel Principles, pages 124-125. Point 8 referenced in Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, page 224. Point 9 referenced in Missionary Discussions, page 2-14 / Study Guide 2, page 3. From *Teachings of the Presidents of the Church Joseph F. Smith:* True repentance is not only sorrow for sins, and humble penitence and contrition before God, but it involves the necessity of turning away from them, a discontinuance of all evil practices and deeds, a thorough reformation of life, a vital change from evil to good, from vice to virtue, from darkness to light. Not only so, but to make restitution, so far as it is possible, for all the wrongs we have done, to pay our debts, and restore to God and man their rights - that which is due to them from us.	Literally, a change of mind. A turning of one's heart from trust in yourself and your works to trust in Jesus and his work for you. Such a change of heart will result in sorrow for one's sins and a humble attitude of following God's will. This following is the faithing process whereby we die daily to the sin which seeks expression in our living and we nail it to His cross we now carry for cleansing from the sin nature in us still. God‘s indwelling Spirit identifies the urgings of the sin nature and we submit that for His well aimed nails.
Redemption	Synonymous with atonement.	Christ bought all mankind back (redeemed by paying the ransom only our kinsman redeemer can pay ) from the cost, the incurred debt of our sin.nature , though sadly only few will allow Him to apply this ransom to them; See atonement.
Salvation	(1) For most Mormons this is equivalent to physical resurrection, the reuniting of body and soul on Judgment Day. This is the only free gift in Mormonism. This is why many can say they believe they are saved by Jesus alone. They mean that they believe they don't have to do anything to be resurrected. However, this salvation does not grant eternal life (exaltation). That is based on their successful completion of their plan of salvation. Mormonism states that if one makes no effort and is an unbeliever he / she will still be resurrected and assigned a place in the lowest kingdom. Therefore, a Mormon can say that a person is granted heaven solely on Jesus' atoning work. And that person need not even believe in Jesus to attain it. (2) Sometimes 'salvation' is used as a synonym for exaltation, as in "Plan of Salvation" (actually the plan of exaltation).	The free gift of eternal life in heaven with God given us through faith in Jesus' saving work.
Sanctification	A term not commonly used in Mormonism. They use it to refer to a state of saintliness which is obtained as people purify themselves by overcoming sin.	(1) Faithers in Jesus' saving work are considered saints by God (sanctified; set apart ones, but not to be misconstrue as perfect in their flesh). This refers to our status as citizens of heaven, while living on earth. (2) While on earth, the continuing work of the Holy Spirit resulting in the strengthening of our faith and becoming increasingly Christ-like (holy). (3) The final change that occurs on Judgment Day where faithers are forever separated from their sinful nature and are thereby made holy.
Sin	A word not commonly used by Mormons since Mormonism has a weak view of sin. "But all of us are guilty of sin to some degree" (Gospel Principles, p. 117). Instead of talking about sin, they use words such as bad habits, infractions, mistakes, and poor judgments.	Any violation of God's commands, whether in thought, word, or deed. Includes any and all trespass, transgression, iniquity, wickedness, etc. Includes sins of omission (not doing what we are commanded) as well as commission (doing what we are commanded not to do).
Plan of Salvation	In general, Mormonism. Specifically, an intricate plan outlining a process of progression toward eternal life (exaltation). Steps in this process include becoming perfect, temple endowment, and celestial marriage. All the laws and ordinances of Mormonism embody the plan.	God's plan of sacrificing his perfect son so that all who faithe in him are saved (given eternal life). John 3:14-17: Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, ¹⁵that everyone who faithes in him may have eternal life. ¹⁶"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever faithes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ¹⁷For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."

163 posted on 08/09/2007 12:57:18 PM EDT by Elsie

Please leave the foolish alone! LOL

Did you know that Prophet Joseph Smith re wrote the Bible?

Did he now?

As I recall he has restored much of the Plain and Precious truths! :)

Soon I will post the Video discussions dealing with those marvelous words!

As a high-priced "Christian" lobbyist, FRed Thompson sold the lives of the innocent unborn for pocket change.

As a Mormon bishop, Mitt Romney used all his skill and energy to plead for the lives of the innocent unborn.

Only sick, twisted people would fail to understand the significance of that.

“How does anything you just said change the truth of my statement?’

It demonstrates that mormonism is POLY-Theistic, unlike
Christianity, which is MONO-Theistic.

“One thing about the Mormons, you will NEVER hear them put down another religion from the pulpit, or for that matter anywhere else.”

Have you ever read the words of Joseph Smith??

There is only one true Church. It is the body of Christ. There are probably 20,000 RELIGIONS who try to separate us from Christ in one way or another.

The Mormon RELIGION is one of the worst, all the while claiming to be the one and only TRUE church. Anyone who has read that Bible and becomes familiar with its teachings recognize the absurdities of Joseph Smith’s claims.