Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney Promises to Legalize Abortion (article title)

MediaIndia.com ^ | August 24, 2007 | Kaiser Family Foundation

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, on Tuesday in an interview with Nevada television station KLAS said that if elected president he would allow individual states to keep abortion legal, the Washington Post reports.

Romney earlier this month in an interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos said he supports a constitutional amendment that would ban abortion nationwide. According to the Post, the "two very different statements" reflect a "challenge" for Romney as he attempts to be a "champion of the antiabortion movement".

In an interview with the Associated Press Tuesday, Romney said that giving states control to "fashion their own laws with regard to abortion" should be the "next step" in the abortion debate. Top Romney advisers on Tuesday said the governor supports a two-tiered process in which states first would obtain authority to regulate abortion after Roe v. Wade -- the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case that effectively barred state abortion bans -- is overturned. The second step would be a constitutional amendment that bans most abortions nationwide.

James Bopp -- an attorney who has represented antiabortion groups and a top Romney adviser on abortion -- said, "There's no flip-flopping. There's no contradiction. There's simply step one and step two." Jon Ralston, a columnist for the Las Vegas Sun who interviewed Romney for KLAS, said he believes Romney's "moral positions conflict" with his "states'-rights opinions," adding, "I don't see how you can be antiabortion, be in favor of a constitutional amendment and be in favor of states' rights". [click to read whole article]

[colorcountry]

Oh yes this apple does fall very far from the tree. John D. Lee died to hide the lies of the Church. I live to expose them.

I wonder who your great-great grandaddy was? Atila the Hun?

[JRochelle]

Ping, and we missed you!

[colorcountry]

Sure... I suppose that’s why Mormonism isn’t any different to you than Christianity. Why should YOU care?

[MHGinTN]

1. Is that the same God your founders claimed was once a man who became exalted and then fathered Jesus? 3. So, is obedience to the law as the Mormons define the law equal to in 'must do' to repentance? Did Jesus lie when He said He came to fulfill the law ... and Christianity has then claimed He fulfilled the law for those who claim Him as Savior?

4. And will you admit that only Mormon baptism is recognized as suffiecient for Salvation in Mormon doctrinal eyes?

5. Will you admit that Mormonism claims only the LDS hold this authority, thus ALL other Christian sects are not in authority for any of these preachings, etc.?

6.

7. Will you admit that Mormonism claims these gifts cannot be bestowed upon non-Mormons because other outside of Smithism lack the authority to bestow?

8. Do you claim Joe Smith made a more accurate 'translation' even though he added thousands of words not in the Hebrew or Greek ... by use of his 'special powers'?

etcetera

Such articles have zero Christian value if they are used to hide 'deeper truths' (the other heresies in Mormonism) that the gullible are not shown until thoroughly indoctrinated in the cult. And that is precisely how these articles of indoctrination are used. Mormonism is not orhtodox Christianity, it isn't even a good copy of what Christ brought to fruitition for humankind. But it does thrust people back into the temple controls that preceeded Christ's advent. Of course, many of the temple ordinances and 'path' are copied directly with only minor changes from Masonic rituals.

[Humble Servant]

Well said, Barnicus.

[colorcountry]

I least I know who the candidate are for me resty. I do not wonder.

[fproy2222]

How many women did Brigham Young “bed.” Are you arguing from a place that says Joseph Smith didn’t bed his wives so he was righteous. If so, then what Brig did was adultery, right?
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NO, RE READ and see if you can see what I was really saying. But it was a nice try to change what I said.

If you want to know the truth, study both sides.

[restornu]

Creeds are things that are recited the LDS do not recite or a confession in unison etc.

[counterpunch]

This quote says it all - "I don't see how you can be antiabortion, be in favor of a constitutional amendment and be in favor of states' rights."

Then you don't have a very good understanding of our constitutional process.
A person can be personally against abortion, but also believe that the constitution should be the final arbiter, not their own personal opinion.
Wow! Just imagine An America with more people like that!

Now as a person well informed about constitutional principles, this individual would understand that Roe v. Wade is a constitutional travesty, and the proper place for deciding abortion law, according to the Constitution in its current form, would be at the state level.

But this personal also would understand that the amendment process allows the constitution to say anything We The People want it to say, and this person may like to see a ban on abortion included in the Constitution. All of this would perfectly follow the disciplined constitutionalist philosophy properly.

 

[JRochelle]

“Also, up until 1990 the LDS temple ceremony portrayed the devil hiring a minister, wearing a clerical collar, to teach false doctrine for pay. This outrageous portion was obviously intended to warn the LDS faithful to stay away from all ministers as they were the hirelings of Satan. After a number of exposes quoted the dialogue between the devil and the minister the LDS Church deleted that portion.”

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It never fails, you do learn something new every day.

[restornu]

I least I know who the candidate are for me resty. I do not wonder.

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Oh you got to do better than that CC?

[colorcountry]

I was/is a Mormon. Born into a sixth generation family on every side who joined before or during Nauvoo. They came across the plains and settled the Salt Lake Valley before moving on and settling Southern Utah. I grew up surrounded by nothing BUT Mormons, and even married one in the Temple.

I do not lie, and I know the whole truth. Oh God hear the words of my mouth!

[MHGinTN]

Thanks for the opportunity to explain this yet again.

If Romney is the pubby nominee, the exposure of the cultish beliefs and outright heresies at the heart of Mormonism will cause just enough suppression of conservative Christian votes to hand the general to the DNC nominee as well as electing a filibuster proof majority of Dems to the Senate. To believe in the 'fairytale' that Mitt's religious beliefs will be ignored by conservative Christians is childlike in trust but has a disasterous outcome. I understand that you cannot yet comprehend this perspective. Try to think it through, Kevin.

[xero]

MHGinTN is a missionary? There’s nothing wrong with that, is there?After reading MHGinTN comments, I would say "mercenary would be a better description, or mad hatter,or someone who's sedated every night with thorazine at the sanatorium where he has use of a computer.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

resty,
thank you. So, if I understand, it is the act of reciting
the words out loud and maybe in unison that makes something
a creed?

For example, in my own church, we have never recited any
doctrinal statement out loud - including any “creed”. So,
in your view, even if I believe the words of a “creed”, as
long as a group doesn’t recite it out loud, it isn’t a creed?

thanks,
ampu

[sevenbak]

placemarker

[MHGinTN]

Concerning that list of Mormon articles again ... my html was faulty on the first three:

1. Is that the same God your founders claimed was once a man who became exalted and then fathered Jesus?

2. So, does that mean you don't believe Jesus nailed man's sin nature to His cross so that any who are Saved by His Cross have their Sin Nature nailed to that cross?

3. So, is obedience to the law as the Mormons define the law equal to in 'must do' to repentance? Did Jesus lie when He said He came to fulfill the law ... and Christianity has then claimed He fulfilled the law for those who claim Him as Savior?

[xero]

Your going to keep me up all night on my knees praying for your soul honey.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

counterpunch,

It just seems to me that a Constitutional Amendment and
turning the issue back for each state to decide on its own
are mutually exclusive.

Would you explain the purpose of the Amendment option,
if you favor it going back to be decided state by state?

thanks,
ampu