They have sung all over the world!
Posted on 08/26/2007 2:54:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, on Tuesday in an interview with Nevada television station KLAS said that if elected president he would allow individual states to keep abortion legal, the Washington Post reports.
Romney earlier this month in an interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos said he supports a constitutional amendment that would ban abortion nationwide. According to the Post, the "two very different statements" reflect a "challenge" for Romney as he attempts to be a "champion of the antiabortion movement".
In an interview with the Associated Press Tuesday, Romney said that giving states control to "fashion their own laws with regard to abortion" should be the "next step" in the abortion debate. Top Romney advisers on Tuesday said the governor supports a two-tiered process in which states first would obtain authority to regulate abortion after Roe v. Wade -- the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case that effectively barred state abortion bans -- is overturned. The second step would be a constitutional amendment that bans most abortions nationwide.
James Bopp -- an attorney who has represented antiabortion groups and a top Romney adviser on abortion -- said, "There's no flip-flopping. There's no contradiction. There's simply step one and step two." Jon Ralston, a columnist for the Las Vegas Sun who interviewed Romney for KLAS, said he believes Romney's "moral positions conflict" with his "states'-rights opinions," adding, "I don't see how you can be antiabortion, be in favor of a constitutional amendment and be in favor of states' rights". [click to read whole article]
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To me, it means He has prepared a place for many - that’s it, nothing more.
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Before joining the LDS church. it meant many places.
Believe me if we want to talk LDS We would always be doing a “one on one with those who don’t agree the Religious Forum!”
Oh, Really?
Posted on 08/25/2007 2:30:18 AM MDT by restornu in the "News/Activism forum"
Btw the few Catholics antagonist here don’t use the KJB Bible and now to think of it they have the Apocrypha in their Bible how does that square with JST?
The next step in the Romney/Mormon arsenal is to release a pro-Mormon video. Romney will confront his Mormonism head on, then try to convince you that Mormonism is indeed superior to mainstream Christianity.
http://www.amormonpresident.com/Small/small_video.html
It isn’t time for Romney to unleash this assault, as of now he’s still trying to put out the message that religion shouldn’t be a factor when it comes to casting our votes. He sees the writing on the wall however, and recognizes that his Mormonism will eventually need to be addressed, and he is ready.
The God of the Bible says: "...Is there a God beside me? Yea, there is no God; I KNOW NOT ANY." (Isa. 44:10) If God had a father and he had a father and so on, God of the Bible surely would know that! In the Bible, God calls us to "know," to "believe" and to "understand" who He is. He says: "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may KNOW and BELIEVE me, and UNDERSTAND that I am he: BEFORE ME THERE WAS NO GOD FORMED, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME." (Isaiah 43:10)
To Joseph Smith and to all Mormons, that simply means: THEY WILL NOT BECOME GODS! They cannot "learn" how to become gods! God of the Bible says so! God says: "I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE, THERE IS NO GOD BESIDE ME..." (Isa. 45:5) God tells what happens to the false prophets who try to lead people after other gods: "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or the dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. AND THAT PROPHET, OR THAT DREAMER OF DREAMS, SHALL BE PUT TO DEATH; BECAUSE HE HAD SPOKEN TO TURN YOU AWAY FROM THE LORD YOUR GOD..." (Deut. 13:1-5) It is interesting to note that about six weeks after Joseph Smith had preached this sermon (in April 1844), that men will and can become gods and that God was not God from all eternity, Joseph was killed!! Coincidence?? (Orthodox Jews have a saying: "Coincidence is not a kosher word!")
So they have told you what it means. They tell you in what way you should interpret the Bible, and that it is almost dangerous to read the Bible without the proper context of the other Standard Works?
In fact you own a Bible with footnotes that refer you to other Mormon scripture, right?
Either you believe that God is omnipotent and wouldn't allow his Word to be corrupt, or you believe the Bible has become corrupt - and therefor believe in either a fallible God or a changeable God. Be careful.
They have sung all over the world!
Brigham Young made polygamy public from 1852 on in Utah, even though they still denied it outside of Utah. From this same year on, he started to teach that "Adam is God and Father and the only God with whom we have to do" and that Adam was the father of human spirits as well as Jesus' physical father. (For these, see the Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, pp. 50-51; vol. 4, p. 1; vol. 5, pp. 331-332, etc.) The LDS Church has issued denials saying that Adam-God doctrine was never taught, but records clearly show that Brigham Young taught it, not only by mentioning it once or twice, but that he taught it from 1852 until his death in 1877. Let's look at some of his statements:
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize the world. He is Michael, the Arc-angel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken - HE IS OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD, AND THE ONLY GOD WITH WHOM WE HAVE TO DO. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later... the earth was organized by three distrinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, pp. 50-51.
This teaching was repeated and carried on in the other Church's writings throughout the years. For example, in the Millenial Star, vol. 17, page 195, we read:
"... every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that he (Adam) is God of the whole earth. Then will the words of the prophet Brigham Young, WHEN SPEAKING OF ADAM, be fully realized - 'HE IS OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD, AND THE ONLY GOD WITH WHOM WE HAVE TO DO.'"
My tagline despises her. ;-)
Discoures and Sermons are NOT Church Doctrine!
Further in the Millenial Star, vol. 16, page 530, we read the counsel by James A. Little: "I believe in the principal of obedience; and if I am told that Adam is our Father and our God, I just believe it." The records show that there were only two leaders in the Church who had difficulty with this doctrine, namely apostles Orson Pratt and Amasa Lyman. In one of Brigham's sermons, printed in the "Deseret News," June 14, 1873, Brigham declared:
"How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them, and WHICH GOD REVEALED TO ME - namely that ADAM IS OUR FATHER AND GOD... Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him. He brought one of his wives with him. Who is he? He is Michael... He was the first man on the earth, and its framer and maker. He with the help of his brethren brought it into existence."
"Then he (Adam) said: "I WANT MY CHILDREN THAT WERE BORN TO ME IN THE SPIRIT WORLD TO COME HERE AND TAKE TABERNACLES OF FLESH THAT THEIR SPIRITS MAY HAVE A HOUSE, A TABERNACLE, OR A DWELLING PLACE AS MINE HAS" and where is the mystery?" Brigham Young clearly taught for over 20 years as a doctrine the following:
1) "ADAM NOT MADE OF THE DUST OF THIS EARTH" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 6);
2) "ADAM IS THE ONLY GOD WITH WHOM WE HAVE TO DO," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 50);
3) "ADAM IS THE FATHER OF OUR SPIRITS" (Deseret News, 14. June 1873;
4) ADAM, THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, pp. 50-51).
Heber C. Kimball, the First Counselor to Brigham Young, also taught:
"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people, and he is the God that pertains to this earth - THE FIRST MAN. THAT FIRST MAN SENT HIS OWN SON TO REDEEM THE WORLD..." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 1.)
Brigham Young had claimed that God Himself had revealed this doctrine to him. Brigham also had claimed that his sermons were "as good as scripture" (J. of D., vol. 13, p. 166). If that is so, then how can the LDS Church today logically reject his teachings that he said came from his God? - (Who was Brigham's God? Joseph Smith had said: "Some revelations are from God: some revelations are of man: and some are of the devil..." - "Address to All Believers in Christ", p. 31. - Who determines the source of the revelations, the followers or the prophet?) - Further, if Brigham Young was wrong, how can the modern Church accept him as an authority from God? The LDS Church teaches that there must be an unbroken link of true prophets after the restoration, otherwise the authority would be lost. Contradicting Brigham Young now only proves the incredibility of both the modern Church and Brigham Young, and breaks the link.
One could go on and on about these teachings that clearly show the non-Christian nature of the LDS Church. But let's look now at some of the LDS Church's teachings of today about Adam: In the Doctrine and Covenants 27:11, Adam is referred to as the Ancient of Days, spoken by Daniel the prophet ( in Daniel 7:9-14.) But the Ancient of Days is one of the names of GOD ALMIGHTY in the Bible, not Adam. There is absolutely no question about that! There is also no question that the LDS Church believes and teaches that Adam is that one, the Ancient of Days, who will judge the world. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, in his book, "Mormon Doctrine," page 34 says:
"Adam is known as the Ancient of Days... In this capacity he will yet sit in formal judgment upon 'ten thousand times ten thousand'..."
In the Temple ceremony, Michael, the Archangel, is one of the creators of the world and he then "becomes" Adam. According to Mormonism, "GODS" created the world, (see Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 4 and 5), Adam being one of them, one of three gods. It is clearly implied that he is God. There are more writings and documented evidence to this fact.
Has your Finnish source been denied as valid yet? I'm sure they are seeking a mishie who has been there to come in, register at FR and prove it all "taken out of context" or "translated incorrectly". LOL
The leaders of the LDS Church have also taught that their Jesus was married and had children, and that he was even a polygamist. Apostle Orson Pratt, in his book, The Seer, page 172, says:
"...the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist...the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approved the plurality of Wives under Christian dispensation... The son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings' daughters and many of the honorable Wives were to be married. We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time..."
Joseph Fielding Smith, who was the president of the LDS Church in 1970's, said, in an answer to a question: "Was Jesus married?" - "Yes, but do not throw pearls to the swine!" We can clearly see that the LDS church still believes that Jesus was married, but doesn't want to "throw pearls to the swine" or to reveal this to the non-Mormons.
Bernard P. Brockbank, in the LDS Church's 147th General Conference, said that the CHRIST FOLLOWED BY THE MORMONS IS NOT THE CHRIST FOLLOWED BY TRADITIONAL CHRISTIANITY; he said:
"... It is true that many of the Christian churches worship A DIFFERENT JESUS CHRIST than is worshipped by the Mormons..." ("The Ensign," May 1977, p.26.)
In summary, Jesus of the LDS Church is not Jesus of the Bible. God of the LDS Church is not God of the Bible. Joseph Smith said that there is "A GOD ABOVE THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST..." and in Mormon Doctrine, pages 332-323, we read: "...If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and ... God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that he had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? ...Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that he had a Father also?" Joseph Smith, in 1844
Discourese and Sermons are not Doctrine.
The Quorum of the 12 have to receive a revelation not just a lofty thought!
So do I have a lot of concepts too, but it is not doctrine it is my thoughts that I might share with others.
According to Mormon doctrine, the Father along with his son can visit you, but you are not free to visit them.
Kinda like prison isn’t it? You can have visitors, but you can’t get out.
The Celestial Kingdom is the highest and most glorious of the degrees of glory and is symbolically represented by the sun. It is this kingdom where God Himself reigns.
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In Mormonism the glory of the Telestial Kingdom is compared to that of the stars. People who are sent to the Telestial Kingdom will be the last to be resurrected and cannot dwell where God and Christ live.
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This has already been discussed here. You answered a good question based on your bad facts.
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I think not, All there kingdoms are in Fathers house. I know of nowhere that teaches that Father and Jesus cannot move about all of Fathers house. Do you?
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How about written by the person living or had lived it, not from uncle Jack who is telling me about he grandmother from a story he heard from his mother. +++++++ ++++++++ Just use your common sense +++++++ I learned a long time ago to be careful with who I am common with.
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