Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
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People who are still fighting the Civil War on the internet are capable of generating more drama than a legion of 15 year old emo kids on MySpace. XD
"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable -- a most sacred right -- a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." (1848)
Then he did the old political Flip-Flop and decided that he wasn't going to preside over the break up of the Union even if his actions violated that "most sacred right".
No region is perfect, but the U.S. would be very far to the left without the South. There are liberal pockets in the South (Atlanta, New Orleans, etc.) but they generally get outvoted by the more conservative regions. The opposite usually occurs in the North and on the West Coast, where the conservative pockets get outvoted by the leftist areas.
Since the far left took over the Democrat Party in the late sixties, the Dems have only carried the South one time in a presidential election. That was Jimmy Carter in 1976, who ran as a conservative and I’ll concede that he fooled us. Clinton lost the South in both 1992 & 1996.
Not only does the South elect mostly conservatives, but its very presence as an important region keeps lefties in other regions from going even further. As nutty as Schumer, Obama, Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, Leahy, and others are, they’d be even kookier if the South was a seperate country. In such a scenario, the Heartland & Rocky Mountain states would be electorally crushed, and would live under the constant and permanent hegemony of the Northeast & West Coast.
Goodbye second amendment!
Yep. Most of the contracts would not stand up in court today.
Here's another take on the Texas v. White ruling in 1868.
In "the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution" (2007) author Kevin Gutzman, J.D., Ph.D. wrote:
"In Texas v. White the Supreme Court declared that the Constitution "looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible states," and ruled that in fact Texas had never seceded, and that Texans had been wrong to think otherwise. The ruling was five to three, with the majority decision issued by Chief Justice Salmon P Chase, a former Lincoln cabinet member (who arguably should have recused himself) whose logic was less than convincing. Its constitutional basis was in Article IV's statement that "the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government." Allegedly this proved that the Constitution supposed "an indestructible Union." The Latin phrase for such decisions is ipse dixit: asserted but not proved."
It's an interesting subject once you get beyond the PC drummed into peoples heads over what it was actually about. There's a lot of history as well. Even the battles. Some of the best thought out battle plans for example came from the most unconventional sources. Some of the best units were ones you'll never read about in the main stream history pages like this one.
No region is perfect, but the U.S. would be very far to the left without the South.
The only reason the south seems to be more conservative is because it is more rural. There are few places more conservative than Indiana or Northern CA.
Anyway my point is that playing “what if” is foolish. The war is long over and neither of us nor anyone else alive today participated in it. It just strikes me funny as to why the civil war is still treated as a current event in the south. I really don’t get it.
BTW most of it took place within a hundred miles of where I live.
Here are some other quotes from influential leaders
It's an interesting subject once you get beyond the PC drummed into peoples heads over what it was actually about. There's a lot of history as well. Even the battles.
I cannot recall a single Free Republic Civil War thread that has ever gotten beyond endless arguments about the political justifications of the war and charges and counter-charges of "treason", "slavery", "Lincoln was a tyrant", "Davis should have been hung", etc., etc. ......
It seems as if FR Civil War threads are always firmly stuck in either March 1861 or May 1865.
It would be nice to be able to have a Civil War thread that dispassionately discussed generalship, campaigns, tactics, individual exploits, individual failings, camp life , camp followers, the home fronts, etc. without rehashing the political fire-breathing on either side of the Potomac for the 947th time.
Article and section please.
And that makes no sense at all. If they have LEFT, then they can do as they please.
You of course meant: racist propaganda from Spike Lee.
No. Why not explain how it works in the case of the Supreme Court?
Check the quote in my message 28 and tell me where Chief Justice Marshall is wrong.
Thanks for the post!
ROTFLMAO.
The state of New Jersey originally voted to ratify the 14th, but when its representatives observed the methods that its proponents were using to coerce the Southern states into ratification, NJ rescinded its ratification (to no avail).
Of course to no avail. Once a state votes to ratify an amendment then that's it, the Constitution does not contain any provisions for revoking ratification. The reasoning should be obvious - what if a state legislature voted years later to revoke ratification?
Hence, the U.S. Congress considered the southern states as having never left the Union only until such time as it became politically expedient to declare that that they had.
I was not aware that the New Jersey legislature had the power to declare a state out of the Union.
“Guess What Folks—Secesson Wasn’t Treason”
And it wont be the next time either.
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