CU student stabbed at UMC; victim and suspect ID'd

The Daily Camera via Drudge Report ^ | August 27, 2007 | Vanessa Miller

[RDTF]

A University of Colorado freshman, identified by family members as Michael George Knorps, is hospitalized with a knife wound after being cut outside of the student center this morning, the first day of classes on the Boulder campus.

Knorps, who is from Illinois, was coherent and able to talk after the incident, campus spokesman Bronson Hilliard said. He is undergoing surgery, and his parents have been notified.

“We’re very glad this young man didn’t appear to be seriously injured,” Hilliard said.

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The suspect, whom 7NEWS has named as Kenton Astin, 39, of Boulder, stabbed himself several times in the chest after the incident, which happened around 9:40 a.m. on the west terrace of the University Memorial Center, Hilliard said.

Police subdued Astin with a Taser gun, and he was also rushed to Boulder Community Hospital with serious wounds, CU police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said. Officers are at the hospital, waiting to arrest him.

Wiesley said the suspect was holding a knife and yelling incoherently when Knorps walked by. The student was ignoring the man, who then grabbed him from behind and slashed at his neck.

Police don’t think the suspect, who drove onto campus this morning, is a student. He is not listed in CU's directory.

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[Disambiguator]

Wiesley said the suspect was holding a knife and yelling incoherently when Knorps walked by.

This describes what you walk past every 50 feet in the SoMa district of San Francisco.

[joonbug]

Maybe it was Ward Churchill on a rampage...

[liege]

That is, unfortunately, funny.

[Disambiguator]

Funny, maybe, but tragic. I’m speaking from firsthand experience. SF is quite literally a loony bin.

[TaMoDee]

I had the misfortune of having to visit the University of Wisconsin at Madison on business some years back. There were “things” walking and sitting around the campus and public buildings that were damn scary.

[JustaDumbBlonde]

Wonder how long it will take the liberals to start screaming for knife control on campus? That will solve everything.

[Disambiguator]

Think of the insane homeless as a metaphor for the end result of liberalism.

[mollynme]

IIRC, the local news said that the perp’s address is a local psych facility. This guy also has a history of violent assault but he was found innocent because of his mental condition.

[Syncro]

Not quite as bad now that you have left...

:>)

[liege]

SF is quite literally a loony bin.

That's why I don't visit there anymore. It is a beautiful city, Baghdad by the Bay, as columnist Art Hoppe used to say, but myself and my family's safety are higher in priority.

[RDTF]

escapee or an outpatient?

[Syncro]

Actually that was Herb Caen.

The nickname “Baghdad by the Bay” was coined in 1949 by writer Herb Caen about 1949.

It’s best not to take you family to the scrungy areas of SF, just like it’s not a good idea to take them to those areas in any town.

[Disambiguator]

I never lived there, just passed through once in a while. I spent my sojourn in the Bay Area further down the Peninsula or in the East Bay.

[mollynme]

I'm guessing that it's some kind of half-way house. More info on the maniac here.

[liege]

You are right. Art Hoppe was humorous, Herb Caen was Mr. San Francisco. I think.

[visualops]

This guy also has a history of violent assault but he was found innocent because of his mental condition.

The way we handle certain things in this country defies description sometimes.

[RDTF]

Thanks for the link.
Apparently this thread is now about San Francisco.

[Syncro]

Oh OK I see.

Next time you are passing through, FR mail me and I’ll show you the other side of SF. Lots of good cultural and interesting places there. And views.

A beautiful city, but like all cities there are places to avoid.

[varyouga]

What a way to start your first day of college.

[Syncro]

Yea, funny huh?

Lots of people like to bash California and San Francisco.

Or bring up SF when something horrible happens somewhere else.

It's fine though, keeps California less crowded...LOL

But yea, it's a shame a thread about something important gets hijacked.

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Hilliard said there was no sign the school had performed a background check on Astin, who was hired through a program run by the county mental health center.

OK, let's see, I'll hire somebody through the county mental health system, but I won't question why the county mental health system is finding him a job. /silly university bureaucrat

[Syncro]

Both were legendary San Francisco icons.

[visualops]

Apparently this thread is now about San Francisco

I usually take so long to compose posts that I miss all the OT stuff ;^)

[CatoRenasci]

Ah, San Francisco in the good old days ... when Ira Blue was on the radio, and Captain Fortune was on CBS, Herb Caen, Art Hoppe, Charles McCabe and Stan Delaplane wrote for the Comical. (... in the '60s add Dan O'Neill's Odd Bodkins). Times have sure changed... it's really all been downhill in the City since the Summer of Love, which was indeed a great time to be living in the Haight, or the Western Addition, or the inner Richmond close to the Park. I was a little further from the action on the eastern edge of Pacific Heights, but it was still an easy bus ride.... What a time in the Park, at the Fillmore and the Avalon Ballroom.

[visualops]

If I saw someone waving a knife and yelling, I don’t think I’d walk past and “ignore” them. I’d run the other way and call the cops!

[RDTF]

“But yea, it’s a shame a thread about something important gets hijacked.”

By you!

[RDTF]

Poor kid. The pic at the link was too disturbing to post.

[I_like_good_things_too]

Very Boulder, too.

[TASMANIANRED]

He was incoherent and holding a knife and the boy walked close to him....Doesn’t have much of an instinct for survival...

[Syncro]

Well, yea kinda. I was commenting on other’s comments on SF.

Sorry

[Jack Hammer]

Just speaking personally, but if I were to note a man with a knife screaming incoherently, I’d get away quickly while not turning my back. Then call campus security.

[RDTF]

I was thinking that too. Guess he was understandably preoccupied with his first few hours of college. Unfortunately he learned some street smarts the hard way.

[TASMANIANRED]

I see some obvious lunatic with a knife and I’m taking the long way around...

After the Westbecker incident...(going postal at the local liberal rag)....I was in line at a bank with a raving schizophrenic having an argument with nobody there...I left the bank and returned some time later.

I have no intention of being a “innocent bystander” when a berserker loses it.

[Royal Wulff]

But, for a recent gubment-indoctrinated yoot, the guy was just expressing his alternative view of reality. Everything is relative and there is no true “evil” in the world.

[Unknowing]

Everyone feels sorry for this poor victim. Boulder is approximately a loony bin already, and CU has had too much bad publicity lately.

The lad obviously should have matriculated to the University of Denver.

[Disambiguator]

If anyone hijacked the thread, it was me, ok? It was an innocent aside about the homeless in SF, and it got away.

Now back to our originally scheduled program.

[Gondring]

...he was found innocent because of his mental condition.

"Found innocent" is not a legal description...so who found him "innocent"??

[mollynme]

Sorry - He was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Is that better?

[Lee'sGhost]

If you ask me, it should be GUILTY by reason of insanity.

[Gondring]

Sorry - He was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Is that better?

Sure is! I don't know that anyone has ever claimed he was innocent!

[Gondring]

OK, let's see, I'll hire somebody through the county mental health system, but I won't question why the county mental health system is finding him a job. /silly university bureaucrat

Some of the points from the Fact Sheet:

• Mr. Astin was released from the state mental hospital in Pueblo and has been under supervision of the Boulder County Mental Health Center. He has worked with the Chinook Clubhouse, a support-network program of the Boulder County Mental Health Center, for approximately two years under the close supervision of mental health physicians and professionals, and was referred to the university for employment by that organization;
• CU-Boulder has had a 17-year relationship with Chinook Clubhouse in engaging these referrals. This is the first incident of this type that the university is aware of;

When I was in graduate school, the university made even more obscene profits from the taxpayer by using work crews from the nearby State Penitentiary. One of the workers entered a dorm, went into the women's showers, and peeked under the curtain at a startled student. When the student reported his description, which matched the blue work uniforms, etc., of the prison crew, she was denounced as being a racist, and attacked with "how could she have gotten a detailed description if she was so startled?" etc.

The university claimed to conduct an investigation, and--to my knowledge--they still use criminal labor on campus.

[Gondring]

If you ask me, it should be GUILTY by reason of insanity.

THIS is why "not guilty" is not equivalent to "innocent"...and why the lefties like to try to use "innocent" instead of "not guilty"!