Posted on 08/30/2007 9:53:38 AM PDT by NYer
Look at Jer. 31 the NEW COVENANT was made with 2 separate peoples, neither one being the church. So according to the New Covenant you are either Israel or Judah. It really gets fun and interesting when you start seeing this perspective.
FF Bosworth, a well known Evangelist during the 1920’s wrote that the greatest heresy perpetuated by the church was to dismiss the truths of the two houses of the Kingdom of Israel. He further stated that 5/7’s of Bible Prophecy could not be determined without these truths.
This teaching has been very distorted and misused by various groups but when you read JUST SCRIPTURE without man’s interpretation the most clear and precise plan of our Creator comes forward and cannot be dismissed.
Starting in Gen. 12 where God tells Abram his seed will be MIXED throughout all the nations. Here’s the plan stated.
4x God tells Abraham his seed will be uncountable as the stars and sand. God did not lie to Abraham. Gal. 3:29 does not lie.
Traditional Christianity has a Roman perspective of the scriptures. The Scriptures were written by the Hebrews, for the Hebrews, and must be read through the Hebraic perspective. Traditional christianity has been Romanized.
Also Ephraim was told his descendents would become the “MELLO GOYIM” or the get this, FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES !!!
Hmm...where have we heard that before.
Interesting, don’t you think, that these new ‘Israelites’ are fleeing Christianity?
The Scriptures were written by the Hebrews, for the Hebrews, and must be read through the Hebraic perspective.
I’m in India, and we have quite a number of Israeli tourists and business travellers visiting here. From what I’ve seen, I’ve noticed practically every racial feature in most of them. I really wouldn’t be able to tell a Jew apart from anyone else, atleast not all the time.
25 ” ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When I gather the people of Israel from the nations where they have been scattered, I will show myself holy among them in the sight of the nations. Then they will live in their own land, which I gave to my servant Jacob.
26 They will live there in safety and will build houses and plant vineyards; they will live in safety when I inflict punishment on all their neighbors who maligned them. Then they will know that I am the LORD their God.’ ”
(Mat 19:28 KJV) And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
NOW JOHN IF THESE TWELVE TRIBES ARE SO IMPORTANT AND PROMINENT IN HEAVEN WHY IS THE CHURCH NOT ADDRESSING WHO THESE TRIBES ARE?
John, how exciting that you are a teacher. I too, am a teacher of Scriptures. Understanding the House of Israel and the House of Judah is the most incredible, amazing, revolutionizing teaching that a Believer could delve into today.
I teach from Scripture only. I use no commentaries and let Scripture speak for itself. From Gen 12 thru Rev. 19 IT IS ALL ABOUT THE 2 NATIONS ISRAEL AND JUDAH. Traditional Christianity has only taught about the Jews and the church, which misses it by a mile.
Even scripture says who the church is and we DENY SCRIPTURE!!!! (Acts 7:37 KJV) This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
(Acts 7:38 KJV) This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
According to Matthew 19 we are told that the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL ARE INTACT IN HEAVEN. In fact John as we study hundreds of scripture we find that is ALL THAT IS IN HEAVEN is the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL. How sad, we who were trained in the Roman church have missed it all these years but God in His grace is now releasing us into these truths.
John, if you are not a member of one of the tribes you are not in the New Covenant. Once again, ONLY ISRAELITES, those of Abraham’s sperm and those who keep the Passover, have a circumcised heart and walk with the Israelites in the Hebrew faith not the Roman faith will be in heaven. Yahshua said if ye keep my Commandments so obedience is a factor along with faith to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
As these emerging christians came into these Messianic truths it was just a natural progression to see and understand the House of Israel and the House of Judah. 2 nations, 2 peoples, 2 destinies.
He traces many of the Israelites through the Northwest into the British Isles. Reviews about his scholarship is that he is an impeccable researcher and considered an expert in this arena.
His website is www.britam.org
Blessings
from an old West side Chgo girl now living in the sun baked South :)
(Luke 1:31 KJV) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
(Luke 1:33 KJV) And he shall reign over the HOUSE OF JACOB for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Does everybody see? Jesus will reign over the HOUSE OF JACOB aka the TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL!!!! not the church.
The HOUSE OF JACOB is the only group of people Jesus will REIGN OVER!!!! that was His purpose for coming.
The only peoples who have legitimate or semi-legitimate lost tribes claims are Kurdish & Bukharian Jews (legitimate), Samaritans (legitimate), Palestinians (semi-legitimate, as they partially descend from Samaritan converts to Islam, but are mostly made up of Arab invaders and other peoples), Pashtuns (who have cultural and linguistic similarities, but limited genetic connections) and Muslim Kurds (who have remarkable genetic similarities to Jews).
More accurately, they are fleeing a synergistic mixture of Christianity and pagan beliefs. That being said, there have been more than a dozen mass conversions of Christians to Judaism in history — including in places as diverse as San Nicandro, Italy in the 1940s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Nicandro_Jews), southern Russia in the 18th Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subbotniks), and rural Peru over the past two decades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Jews).
For what it’s worth, Jews can usually pick each other out of a crowd (a.k.a. “Jewdar,” kind of like the phenomenon of “Gaydar”). There are certain indiscribably Jewish features that most Jews have in common. It’s not perfect — I’d say maybe 70% accuracy.
it may have escaped the thin skinned here but I don't equate Semitic features as a negative by default
to deny a reality I've witnessed over and over for 50 years because it's politically incorrect to do so is not something I'm willing to do....it's dishonest to my empirical experience
conservatism is about truth, not making what we wish to be a reality when it suits
I have worked ion Israel and lived in Manhattan and Miami and even had a fair number of Jews I knew/know in the South. I think it's fair to say that 90% of those shared features distant from the goyim around them....same as Greeks, Southern Italians, Lebanese (more Semites..some in my blood and half my daughters btw)...etc.
it's even more prevalent with Jews give what used to be an effort to keep their gene pool intact till too shiksas got in the way
They all did not look alike. Au contraire. The evidence is clear that throughout history there have been untold episodes of interbreeding among peoples from all corners of the Earth. Jews from all over the place have bred with the goyim, often it would seem involuntarily.
I’ve also known more than a few A$$holes, some of whom were actually even Jewish.
I simply cannot find it worth the trouble for me to engage you any more in your defending yourself on this matter.
I think that you might be well advised to take a good long hard look at yourself on the inside.
Thanks!
that has nothing to do with anything I said and is only a feeble attempt to smear me and inflate yourself...not unusual for some here.
I was not defending myself ..nothing to defend...claiming certain groups share physical charactersitics doesn't need defending...but explaining my experiences in observing Jews and other Semites to you.
you might note that several Jews on this thread have said the same thing, perhaps you'd like to argue with them
it seems odd that someone takes offense at the notion of "looking Jewish or Semite used interchangeably" and yet I cannot recall hearing folks lamenting looking Scots-Irish, Cajun or Coonass, or Arab (though that has changed), or Irish or Nordic or East African or West African or Mung or Indian or etc etc.
Now why then it is offensive to folks like yourself to say someone looks Jewish when they have arguably the most segregated gene pool historically of any group in the West...maybe in the world. A practive of their's that I wholly understand given their history and have myself refused to buck when involved with Jewish gals.
The only reason I would look myself on the inside would be if I felt a need to not believe my lying eyes for 50 years and instead bow to some phantom bigotry allegation.
You can put me down in your book as one who does not do that for anyone.
Further should you again feel the need to self inflate with hints of bigotry finger pointing then take the time to prove it. Feel free to mine my 7 years of posts and then find me being anything but supportive of Israel and magnanimous to Jews in general even though I may disagree with 80% ideologically. Go ahead....find something. Otherwise, you should run back to the Clowns, DC or WA or whatever they call themselves now
You may be a Nobel Peace Prize winner and a great father and husband for all I know but your views and smears here exemplify what is wrong with politically correct knee jerk conservatism and why it cripples our ability to deal with nearly all domestic and foreign policy issues which inevitably involve race, religion, ethnicity or gender or even homosexuality.
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