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Posted on 09/04/2007 3:07:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Then do the unhealthy get a tax rebate for all they paid in taxes that went to the NHS?
After all, why should the unhealthy subsidize the healthy?
And that is socialized medicine in a bucket!
When the government is pretty much the sole provider...they’re, also, pretty much the sole decider.
oh my gosh — something may hit the fan. What kinds of unhealthy lifestyles are they talking about?
The politically correct crowd will go ballistic about this if they pick on certain types of people such as homosexual men.
Are those men who have anal sex refused treatment too?
But the only problem, with this thinking is obvious, the problems just get worse and ultimately cost more. Prevention is worth an ounce of cure and in socialized medicine, prevention gets bogged down in bureaucracy.
does this include former senator craigs foot tapping habit?
If big government wants to continue to do health care, then big government should provide exercise areas/facilities on every residential block. ...and many other things.
Big government doesn’t work except temporarily for the purpose of winning wars. Taxes should be mainly for defense—not for social engineering causes.
And this is one of many reasons why the state has no damned business being involved in it.
By the way, isn't the socialized medicine crowd always talking about everyone having the "right to healthcare"? I guess that "right" just doesn't apply to everyone after all.
and those that vote republican,....and those that have purchased a firearm in the last 10 years......and those who drink red wine, or white, or beer, or other forms of consumable alcohol. Or those that eat meat, or live in certain neiborhoods, or have a home with more than 1000 sq ft of livalbe space....
The aim is a shift in the NHS towards preventing disease and ill-health rather than having to treat it.Translation: NHS is shifting from treatment to preaching. If you get sick, don't come to us for medicine or surgery... but we will tell you where you went wrong.
(And by the way, keep those tax dollars coming our way folks. We're doing one hell of a good job!)
Drinking pints is unhealthy too. Let’s see how this goes over in a pub society.
Smoking fags is also unhealthy, in more ways than one. Cigarettes may just kill you.
“What kinds of unhealthy lifestyles are they talking about?”
Quite so...who decides what is unhealthy? Is rock-climbing unhealthy? Surely those who indulge in extreme sports have proportionally higher injury rates.
What about driving a car?
The point is that you do not withold treatment based on value judgements, this is against the basic tenet of medicine, however frustrating it may be.
The whys and wherefores of having a socialised health service is a completly different discussion. The point is that if you have a NHS then the same level of care must be available to all.
How many "Health Miles" is it worth not to hang around bath houses and emulate a Night Depository?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Coming soon - what hobbies you can have, when to sleep, who can have kids and mandatory abortions for ‘difficult’ children that will be too expensive.
Eventually, taxes will be almost 100% and the government will control how your money is spent. Socialized medicine, housing, schools, transportation, vacations, food, etc. Basically the same thing as communism without the name.
I escaped grinding communism and thought it was destroyed. Much to my anger, it is very much alive in the west. Every year I feel more like I am back in the USSR with every new law and encroachment on freedom.
First they came after gun owners
I remained silent
I wasn't a gun owner
Then they came after smokers
I did not speak out
I’m not a smoker
Then when they came for me,
There was no one left to speak out...
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This is the next logical progression of the tyranny of the Nanny State after Democrat John Edwards’ plan to require all US citizens to have an annual checkup. It must be understood that “require” in the context of government means a plan that includes sending armed agents who are charged with either seeing the order complied with or the citizen may die trying to resist.
To be sure, this Road to the Secular Utopia is paved with good intentions, but we have had several decades of predicates that start off with laws requiring this or that (such as seat belts and motorcycle helmets), justified in large measure because the State ends up paying the medical bills of the injured who are not able to pay them. We have recently been further insulted by bans on smoking on private property and even in private automobiles based on the same liberty-destroying reasoning.
The only way to slay this monstrosity is for people to insist on paying their own medical expenses and insurance premiums.
I think that will be the point of socialized medicine.
Eventually EVERYTHING is healthcare.
Remember when those socialist doctors wanted gun control to be a “health care” issue?
Its the Joseph Koctau Joy Joy Be Well version of life behavior enforcement.
Oh for the love of pete!
Tax smokers to death then deny them health care, thats sounds fair.
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