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Southwest fashion police set no-fly zone
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE ^ | September 5, 2007 | Gerry Braun

Posted on 09/05/2007 10:37:55 AM PDT by brityank

Southwest fashion police set no-fly zone



CRISSY PASCUAL / Union-Tribune
A Southwest employee asked Kyla Ebbert, wearing this outfit, to change or leave the plane.

As the mercury climbed over 100 on Labor Day, I called Southwest Airlines with a not entirely hypothetical question:

Could a young woman board a flight to Tucson today wearing a bikini top?

Angelique, the agent who took my call, assured me that a young woman could.

“We don't have a problem with it if she's covered up in all the right spots,” she said. “We don't have a dress code.”

Tell that to Kyla Ebbert, who was escorted off a Southwest Airlines flight two months ago for wearing an outfit far less revealing than a bikini top.

Ebbert, a Mesa College student and Hooters waitress, was allowed to stay on the plane, but only after she put up a fight and, she says, was lectured on how to dress properly.

I don't know about you, but one of my big gripes with the airlines is that they just don't take the time to dispense fashion advice any more.

Southwest explained its treatment of Ebbert in a letter to her mother, saying it could remove any passenger “whose clothing is lewd, obscene or patently offensive” to ensure the comfort of children and “adults with heightened sensitivities.”

Ebbert, 23, says she was judged unfairly by the airline and humiliated by the experience. Who wouldn't be?

She had a doctor's appointment that afternoon in Tucson, where temperatures had topped 106 all week. She arrived at Lindbergh Field wearing a white denim miniskirt, high-heel sandals, and a turquoise summer sweater over a tank top over a bra.

After the plane filled, and the flight attendants began their safety spiel, Ebbert was asked to step off the plane by a customer service supervisor, identified by the airline only as “Keith.”

They walked out onto the jet bridge, where Keith told Ebbert her clothing was inappropriate and asked her to change. She explained she was flying to Tucson for only a few hours and had brought no luggage.

“I asked him what part of my outfit was offensive,” she said. “The shirt? The skirt? And he said, 'The whole thing.' ”

Keith asked her to go home, change and take a later flight. She refused, citing her appointment. The plane was ready to leave, so Keith relented. He had her pull up her tank top a bit, pull down her skirt a bit, and return to her seat.

Ebbert says several flight attendants overheard the conversation and, after an embarrassing walk down the aisle, she took her seat and spread a blanket over her lap. She kept her composure until the plane landed, when she called her mother and broke down.

She took a photo of herself with her cell phone so her mother could see her clothes. That's when mom became livid.

“My daughter is young, tall, blond and beautiful,” Michele Ebbert told me, “and she is both envied and complimented on her appearance. She dresses provocatively, as do 99 percent of 23-year-old girls who can. But they were out of line.”

Who knows where the lines are drawn these days, particularly when it comes to dress? If you watch television, or visit the mall, or take in a game at Petco Park, you'll see women dressed in ways that, 50 years ago, were pornographic. Today they are stylish.

A Supreme Court justice famously could not define “obscene,” and declaring a thing “lewd” imputes motive. Did Kyla Ebbert intend to excite sexual desire on that flight to Tucson? I doubt it, just as I doubt that flight attendants are proper judges of such matters.

But neither am I. So when I arranged to see Ebbert in the notorious outfit, I brought along my fashion advisers, writer Nina Garin and photojournalist Crissy Pascual, who for years collaborated on a feature in this newspaper called “Seen on the Street.”

The three of us met Ebbert and her mother for lunch at Nordstrom Cafe. Ebbert, who is 5-foot-5 and has green eyes, is pretty enough to be a model.

Yet even wearing the clothes that scandalized Southwest, she did not attract attention beyond some lingering glances.

My fashion advisers were baffled, saying they saw nothing you don't see on a college campus or in Pacific Beach.

“I was expecting to be shocked, and I was shocked the other way,” Pascual told me.

“It wasn't a big deal,” Garin said. “Her skirt was a bit short, which was only accented by her heels. If she had been wearing flip-flops it wouldn't have mattered.”

Garin wondered if a jealous woman may have complained about Ebbert's outfit. I asked her what she would have said had she been on the plane.

“ 'I hope she's not sitting next to my husband,' ” Garin replied. “She's pretty. She wears her clothes well. But I wouldn't complain about it.”

Pascual detected sexism in the way Ebbert was treated, wondering if a man would have been asked to change clothes. Do men dress inappropriately? “I see butt cracks, a lot of butt cracks,” she said.

In its letter, Southwest said “there were concerns about the revealing nature of her outfit.”

I called Hollye Chacón, the Southwest customer relations representative who wrote the letter, to see if we were talking about the same outfit.

“What exactly was being revealed?” I asked.

She said yesterday she'd call back, but never did. That's pretty revealing in itself.


Gerry Braun: (619) 542-4563;



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: burkasforall; dresscode; flyingimam; southwest; southwestairlines
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To: AngryJawa
Bubba checks for that...


81 posted on 09/05/2007 11:08:24 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Froufrou
What if she was fat and ugly and someone wanted the seat?

Doesn't matter. The same rules apply to everyone. What she's wearing isn't against the law in a public setting; regardless of her weight.
82 posted on 09/05/2007 11:08:48 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: CharlesWayneCT
and i’d love to see a picture of what she looked like when she was taken OFF the plane.

I bet you would...
83 posted on 09/05/2007 11:10:02 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: mewzilla

That handbag had to be stowed, and it’s my guess that old Keith got a “view at the top” when she bent down to put it under her seat or the seat in front of her.

Heck, if they have no dress code and she was going to see her “doctor” why not just board with the paper gown?


84 posted on 09/05/2007 11:10:06 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Badeye; All

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Even freight had it better.

85 posted on 09/05/2007 11:10:20 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Badeye

The worst flight attendants are Useless Air’s. In fact, most of their employees appear miserable to me. I realize the airline is perennially teetering on bankruptcy and they had to give up wages and benefits, but it’s not my fault.

Southwest has some of the nicest employees I ever encountered. Once during a delay, we had an employee serenading us with a ukelele in the gate area. If it was a Useless Air employee, he probably would have hit us all with it.


86 posted on 09/05/2007 11:10:30 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: netmilsmom

What witnesses - they are all travelers. Corporations always settle. Clever scheme.


87 posted on 09/05/2007 11:10:44 AM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: JamesP81

You may be right in theory, but I daresay the rules are NOT equally applied to everyone.


88 posted on 09/05/2007 11:11:16 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: AngryJawa

>>Maybe she “forgot” her underwear.<<

This post makes sense. I could understand if she were pulling a “Sharon Stone”.


89 posted on 09/05/2007 11:13:15 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time .)
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To: Froufrou
You may be right in theory, but I daresay the rules are NOT equally applied to everyone.

In practice, probably not. Still, I think this was a case of either a whiny, bitchy airline employee (who is allegedly a male) who wanted to demonstrate the enormous size of his...authority. Either that or a muzzie started whining about being able to see her ankles.
90 posted on 09/05/2007 11:14:14 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Smogger

I personally know three male flight attendants who are definitely not gay.


91 posted on 09/05/2007 11:14:16 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Jaysun
Hardly a Britney Spears type slut look. If anything, she looks quite demure.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

92 posted on 09/05/2007 11:15:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Froufrou
If she stowed the handbag, it would've under the seat in front of her (I would never let my purse outta my sight), and presumably she'd do that after sitting down. If so, who'd get a chance to ogle? And even if someone saw some cleavage, so what? Is SW supposed to start issuing burkahs? I dress modestly, but that's my choice. If folks want to board wearing skimpy gear that wouldn't get 'em arrested on a public street, so what? I'm just happy if they're clean and fit in their seats.
93 posted on 09/05/2007 11:15:23 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Disambiguator

OK - I’ll volunteer to do whatever stunts she has in mind with her, even the “mile high” stunt.


94 posted on 09/05/2007 11:15:43 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: SeaHawkFan

Have you ever been in the airport men’s room with them, hmm?


95 posted on 09/05/2007 11:16:06 AM PDT by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take your pick.)
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To: brityank

She does not look like she is dressed inappropriate to me.


96 posted on 09/05/2007 11:16:49 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: dighton
The Hooters Airline Look - Pre Hooters.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

97 posted on 09/05/2007 11:16:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: brityank

I remember Southwest had their women in “hot pants” back in the late 70’s.


98 posted on 09/05/2007 11:16:51 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (The Chairman of the Iraq Veterans Against the War is a Marxist Sandinista Insurgent. Peace Out.)
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To: brityank
I want to know which Hooters she works at.
99 posted on 09/05/2007 11:17:58 AM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Smogger

Yup. My first thought too.


100 posted on 09/05/2007 11:18:26 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here...)
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