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Calif. clash over GOP 'values'
AP on Yahoo ^ | 9/5/07 | Michael R. Blood - ap

Posted on 09/05/2007 7:23:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES - California Republicans are headed for a showdown over the direction of the party that could highlight national schisms over gay rights, gun control and abortion.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger wants the state GOP platform — the party's statement of core values — boiled down to as little as a single page focusing on lowering taxes, limiting the size of government and building a strong national defense.

A centrist, the actor-governor describes himself as a "post-partisan" who wants to bridge the political divide that often leaves the state capital of Sacramento gridlocked.

But some conservatives see his move as an attempt to undercut party positions on everything from traditional marriage to opposition to abortion rights.

"There's a move afoot to make sure the Republican Party stands for nothing," said Michael Spence, president of the conservative California Republican Assembly.

It's "a direct assault on Republican Party principles. They think they can reduce the party to a few lines or sound bites."

State party members will begin work on a new platform later this week at the state convention. In a sign of internal differences, a platform draft being circulated by state GOP chairman Ron Nehring goes well beyond the trimmed-down framework suggested by the governor.

Schwarzenegger is circulating a letter, also signed by Republican leaders in the legislature, that says the platform should be distilled to a page or two of concise principles echoing those held by Ronald Reagan.

The current state platform runs about a dozen pages and opposes gay marriage and domestic-partner benefits; calls for overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to an abortion; and opposes gun registration.

The governor's letter makes no mention of those issues.

"We have found long recitations of detailed policy statements are unwieldy, hard to follow and for the most party unread by the very people we want to share our core beliefs with," the letter said.

Nehring said the party was in the midst of a "healthy discussion" on its future.

"This is normal for people to express different views," Nehring said. His draft platform states that marriage is "one man to one woman" and that society must protect "the unborn."

Republican moderates in the state have long argued that the party needs to shift to the political middle or risk becoming an afterthought in a state known for its increasingly diverse population and Democratic leanings. The legislature, for example, is firmly in Democratic hands.

Schwarzenegger's re-election last year was largely attributed to his move to the political middle ground, a decision that created a rift with the GOP right wing.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: cagop; california; clash; gop; gopplatform; schwarzenegger; twirp; twirpinator; values
A centrist, the actor-governor describes himself as a "post-partisan" who wants to bridge the political divide that often leaves the state capital of Sacramento gridlocked.

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Wasn't there a certain other politico that wanted to build a bridge to the future too.. and we know how well that panned out. ;-)

Those Third Waysians, ya got to love 'em.. or ya'd have to throttle 'em for being so stupid.

1 posted on 09/05/2007 7:23:18 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) shakes hands with Germany's Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier in the governor's office in Sacramento, California August 30, 2007. Steinmeier and Schwarzenegger met to discuss future cooperation between California and Germany on environmental issues. REUTERS/William Foster/Office of Governor Schwarzenegger/Handout


2 posted on 09/05/2007 7:24:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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So vat I decided to do waz govern from the middle,, not like pete or gray, I would be the 'post-partisan' Gubinor.

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, center, speaks as former governors Pete Wilson, right, and Gray Davis look on, during a news conference Thursday Aug. 23, 2007 in Los Angeles. The three along with members of the Voices of Reform Coalition including Common Cause and League of Women Voters met to discuss ways promote a fundamental change in the way political boundaries are drawn to insure fairness and transparency in elections. (AP Photo/Nick Ut)

3 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, California Republicans, you either champion Conservatism or with leftism, embrace Massachusetts moribundity.


4 posted on 09/05/2007 7:26:55 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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Is it the people that elect these idiots that are to blame or is it the parties that nominate and fund these ‘roids, or both?


5 posted on 09/05/2007 7:27:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think the CA capital is better gridlocked seeing all the crap that has been flowing out of it.


6 posted on 09/05/2007 7:29:25 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Sometimes the best way to defeat an opponent is to encourage them to be themselves.)
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To: Maelstorm

The sad thing is ,, all the while they are gridlocked, the mandated spending and COLAs and programs in general keep growing,, to say we live on thin ice here is an understatement, we are walking on vapor, it’s all special effects.. Mr’ FReeze was just a movie role, not the Gub’s true self when it comes to spending.


7 posted on 09/05/2007 7:34:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

Incrementally over decades the socialists have increased their influence in the GOP to the point where the party has aligned itself with the Socialist Democrat party by replacing Conservative core principles with Socialism. Conservatives only logical recourse is to leave the GOP and unite with the large number of unaffiliated Conservatives.


8 posted on 09/05/2007 7:35:59 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Centrist? LOL

Not hardly. When the RP in California sets their agenda, Arnold should be in Pakistan.

One page. Hell Schwarzenegger’s agenda would fit in a paragraph.


9 posted on 09/05/2007 7:37:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Man50D

Conservatives only logical recourse is to leave the GOP and unite with the large number of unaffiliated Conservatives.

We need a triggering event. CFR and Comprehensive Immigration Reform didn’t do the trick.
NeXt!;-)


10 posted on 09/05/2007 7:37:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: DoughtyOne

One page. Hell Schwarzenegger’s agenda would fit in a paragraph.

Like his scripts, short and sweet ... and easily memorized.


11 posted on 09/05/2007 7:39:06 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge
If the Republican Party moves to the mythical middle, it will be doomed to be in the perennial minority. A party that stands for nothing other than expediency deserves repudiation by the electorate.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 09/05/2007 7:40:19 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yes, like a small que card.


13 posted on 09/05/2007 7:45:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: DoughtyOne

I bet he rode a Trojan pony as a kid. ;-)


14 posted on 09/05/2007 7:48:20 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge
Yeah - Schwarzentrojanhorse ;-)

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 09/05/2007 7:49:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

I had to laugh at that one. Man, I could go in twenty different directions with that set-up.


16 posted on 09/05/2007 7:52:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: goldstategop; NormsRevenge

The joke is probably on us. Schwarzenegger probably means trojan horse in German.


17 posted on 09/05/2007 7:54:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: NormsRevenge

Porn star Mary Carey would’ve been a better Governor than RINOLD & she would have probably looked better too.


18 posted on 09/05/2007 7:54:39 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: DoughtyOne
Schwarzenegger probably means trojan horse in German

ROFL!

19 posted on 09/05/2007 7:55:28 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: NormsRevenge

That is too true. The Terminator wants to be loved too badly. What unfortunate is that he could if he used his position to give voice to a conservatism as he did at the 04 convention he could accomplish a conservative revolution that would make him as love as Reagan. We need a fearless politician who knows how to speak to the people and lead with his ideas. What we have nationwide is a vacuum of leadership. Not only can they not articulate conservatism convincingly they make clear that they don’t really believe it and readily offer apologies where none are due to those who are systematically destroying the very foundations of this nation.


20 posted on 09/05/2007 7:56:34 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Sometimes the best way to defeat an opponent is to encourage them to be themselves.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I had to laugh at that one. Man, I could go in twenty different directions with that set-up.

Just call me Johnny AppleThread ,, I’m used to being the Straight Guy, it’s genetic. ;-)


21 posted on 09/05/2007 8:04:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m sure you remember the ‘center-right’ squishes like Hugh Hewitt, who insisted that a Tom McClintock couldn’t win so we should support a “good conservative” like Arnold.


22 posted on 09/05/2007 8:12:49 PM PDT by Pelham (http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/)
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To: DoughtyOne
"One page. Hell Schwarzenegger’s agenda would fit in a paragraph."

Mine would fit in three words: "Close the Border!"

23 posted on 09/05/2007 8:18:36 PM PDT by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: NormsRevenge
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger wants the state GOP platform — the party's statement of core values — boiled down to as little as a single page focusing on lowering taxes, limiting the size of government and building a strong national defense.

LOL. If AS had any connection at all to concepts of smaller government and lowering taxes, this might be credible. This is a guy that wants socialized health care in CA and preschool for everyone.

24 posted on 09/05/2007 8:23:24 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: NormsRevenge
share our core beliefs

That's the problem Arnie. You don't share any of our core beliefs.

25 posted on 09/05/2007 9:11:51 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

He really wore the same goofy looking suit and tie, exactly one week apart?

He must be gaining weight or something... he used to have a pretty good wardrobe.


26 posted on 09/05/2007 9:15:19 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: DoughtyOne
One page. Hell Schwarzenegger’s agenda would fit in a paragraph.

I think it could be summed up in a single word: POWER.

27 posted on 09/05/2007 9:16:56 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Maelstorm
What we have nationwide is a vacuum of leadership. Not only can they not articulate conservatism convincingly they make clear that they don’t really believe it and readily offer apologies where none are due to those who are systematically destroying the very foundations of this nation.

Bump! Good post.

28 posted on 09/05/2007 9:19:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks Johnny...


29 posted on 09/05/2007 9:32:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: holyscroller

Hey look everybody. It’s a Johnny one note...

Har har... just kidding. I agree with you.


30 posted on 09/05/2007 9:34:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: calcowgirl

Ego trip...

In my opinion it’s more like winning class president for him.


31 posted on 09/05/2007 9:38:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: calcowgirl

If only we had but another Reagan. I go back and listen to that man debate and one can only come away in awe. He is an example of what happens when one speaks with conviction and clarity and straight to the heart of the people. He was hated because he was so very effective. He had a disarming reasonableness about him.


32 posted on 09/05/2007 10:01:17 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Sometimes the best way to defeat an opponent is to encourage them to be themselves.)
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To: calcowgirl
He really wore the same goofy looking suit and tie, exactly one week apart?

Suit? I thought it was a potato sack.


33 posted on 09/05/2007 10:04:49 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: DoughtyOne

[Centrist? LOL

Not hardly. When the RP in California sets their agenda, Arnold should be in Pakistan.]

Surely you're not suggesting that Comrade Ahnold is slightly left of center?

 

Nah, Ahnuld isn't a centrist.   THIS is a centrist:

Predatory lender Roland "Ameriquest" Arnall - Ambassador to the Netherworld.


34 posted on 09/07/2007 3:53:10 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

I guess I should know that guy, but I don’t.


35 posted on 09/07/2007 4:11:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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[I guess I should know that guy, but I don’t.]

 
He’s the king of  sub-prime predatory lenders.

Roland Arnall, Owner of Ameriquest and Financier of Democratic and Republican political candidates.

Owns more flip-flops than John Heinz Kerry.

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 ...Arnall focused most of his contributions on campaigns in California, where he has established himself as a major benefactor of Governor Gray Davis. In 1998, Davis appointed Arnall, who is a former trustee of the California State University System, to his "education transition group." The following year, the governor appointed Judith Hopkinson, the chief operating officer of Ameriquest, to the University of California Board of Regents.

Flop Flip

The company also contributed $100,000 to oppose the 2003 recall of California Gov. Gray Davis before giving $157,400 to the campaign of the man who replaced him, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Flop

   Roland and Dawn Arnall were also the largest donors, contributing $5 million, to the California Recovery Team, a political action committee that "raises money for initiatives backed by" Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Flop

Ameriquest's co-chairpersons, Dawn and Roland Arnall, each raised at least $200,000 for President George W. Bush's re-election campaign. Another 155 Ameriquest employees and Arnall family members together contributed $242,500.

Flop

Roland Edmond Arnall, nominated as ambassador to Netherlands in 2005. He and his wife, Dawn, gave $5 million to the Progress for America Voter Fund (which had to cough up $750,000 in a settlement with the Federal Elections Commission) in 2004 and were also $200,000 Ranger fundraisers for President Bush. Ambassador Arnall and his wife are co-chairs of Ameriquest Capital Corp., which gave $250,000 to President Bush’s inaugural.

Flip

Governor made call on behalf of lender
Troubled Ameriquest sought infusion of cash
By Frank Phillips

[Democrat] Governor Deval Patrick, who was criticized during the gubernatorial campaign for his involvement with a controversial subprime mortgage lender, called a top official at Citigroup, former US Treasury secretary Robert E. Rubin, two weeks ago to intercede on behalf of the owners of Ameriquest Mortgage as they sought urgent financial assistance from the global financial giant.
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According to the financial press that covered the negotiations, the deal with Citigroup, which has $1.8 trillion in assets, was critical for ACC owner Roland E. Arnall, as Ameriquest confronts dramatic declines in earnings because of increasingly difficult conditions in the subprime lending market.

Now THAT's a centrist.

 

36 posted on 09/07/2007 7:14:02 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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To: VxH

Ahah, that makes sense. Thank you.


37 posted on 09/07/2007 7:20:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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