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What They're Really Saying About Governor Mitt Romney At The Durham, NH GOP Debate
Romney for President 2008 ^ | 09/06/07 | Various

Posted on 09/06/2007 6:01:57 AM PDT by Reaganesque

Thursday, Sep 06, 2007

Riehl World View's Dan Riehl: "Based solely on my viewing the flow of the numbers from start to finish - on average, I honestly believe Romney resonated most strongly with the most people, conservative and moderate, in terms of the over all debate." (Dan Riehl, Riehl World View, http://www.riehlworldview.com/, 9/5/07)

Conservative Blogger's William Smith: "Mitt gives a great answer with regard to the responsibility of city government and state government." (William Smith, Conservative Blogger, http://www.conservativeblogger.com/, 9/5/07)

The American Spectator's Jennifer Rubin: Romney "[s]ays we have to have concern for the mother and change hearts and minds. Very nicely done." (Jennifer Rubin, The American Spectator, AmSpec Blog, http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp#7970, 9/5/07)

The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza: "The focus on Romney and Giuliani reinforced the notion that the race right now is between those two men with former Sen. Fred Thompson who did not attend the debate as a potential wildcard." (Chris Cillizza, "GOP Debate Wrapup: Frontrunners Under Fire," The Washington Post's The Fix, http://blog.washingtonpost.com, Posted 9/5/07)

Heading Right's Macranger: "Romney immediately scored with his point about de facto amnesty, and he talks about shutting down the 'magnets'. Romney's doing great so far..." (Macranger, Heading Right, Heading Right Blog, http://headingright.com/page/2/, 9/5/07)

The Washington Post's Eric Pianin: "Romney's response drew loud cheers; Giuliani's polite cheers. It speaks to the difficulty of any candidate who has something less than a black and white position when it comes to immigration." (Eric Pianin and Chris Cillizza, The Washington Post The Fix Blog, http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/, Posted 9/5/07)

- Pianin: "Romney is working hard to make sure viewers know that he and Giuliani differ when it comes to immigration, seemingly slipping in the fact that New York was a 'sanctuary' city at every turn." (Eric Pianin and Chris Cillizza, The Washington Post The Fix Blog, http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/, Posted 9/5/07)

National Review Online's Kathryn Jean Lopez: "That was a serious answer from Romney [regarding intelligence and the War on Terror]. It channelled [sic] his own decision to refuse protection for an Iranian tyrant - one of those who is against us - while governor of Massachusetts. Going into mosques if they preach terror is a reasonable and necessary position. And one that someone who gets the stakes would espouse." (Kathryn Jean Lopez, "Going Into Mosques," National Review's The Corner, http://corner.nationalreview.com, 9/5/07)

The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder: "Otherwise, Romney, being very familiar with New Hampshire's inner maw, had well-thought out answers for every other question, even as three of the first four turned, in some measure, on whether he flip-flopped." (Marc Ambinder, "And The Winners Are......," The Atlantic Blog, http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com, Posted 9/5/07)

National Review's Kate O'Beirne: "Romney's '462 events' In Iowa and New Hampshire alone also effective." (Kate O'Beirne, "Ready For The Questions," National Review's The Corner, http://corner.nationalreview.com, Posted 9/5/07)

Townhall's Mary Katherine Ham: "Mitt has a good line about his 'right to be kept alive' with respect to the government's response to terror." (Mary Katherine Ham, Townhall, Townhall blog, http://www.townhall.com/blog/MaryKatharineHam, 9/5/07)

Heading Right's JASmius: "So far, I think Romney gave the best answer [on immigration and sanctuary cities]." (JASmius, Heading Right, Heading Right Blog, http://headingright.com/page/2/, 9/5/07)



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: debate; gopdebates; nh; nh2008; republican; romney
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To: JohnnyZ
Please show me where he says he supports federal funding. Even for the research, which many support, involving the use of the embryos slated for destruction from fertility clinics he said he would not support federal funding.

He supports funding the research discussed in this article below (the same research touted by Rick Santorum -- that evil liberal. /s). Period.


What Romney actually thinks about embryonic stem-cell research.

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101 posted on 09/06/2007 11:10:03 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (MittReport.com)
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To: ishabibble
"I misspoke and deeply regret it."

I am undecided at this point, I liked Huckabee, Rudy and Romney in this debate. I wouldn't support Mcain for dogcatcher.

After the debate, Romney was with Hannitty and Colmes and said in no uncertain terms that his sons' service to him was not comparable in any way to our service peoples service to our country and said that as soon as he realized the tremendous error of his words he apologized and went further to say that to make that comparison was "rediculous".

Point being that his response to H&C was much better than his response in the debate.

102 posted on 09/06/2007 11:18:48 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: JohnnyZ
just close your eyes to the facts and support the Mormon, huh? Ignore the things you don't like, because Mitt is the chosen one?

Not that you're influenced much by facts, but my informal research on the Mitt ping list indicates that the majority of the pingees are not Mormon. Your inability to express your point of view without religious insults thoroughly discredits whatever arguments you have with the Romney candidacy. Or any other issue for that matter. Such invective used to be more at home on a site like stormfront than at FR. Unfortunately, not my house, not my rules.

103 posted on 09/06/2007 11:19:47 AM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: wideawake

uhh... whatever. If I didn’t read the thread, how did I know that you didn’t watch the debate? Don’t answer that, I don’t want to know.


104 posted on 09/06/2007 11:19:59 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: redgirlinabluestate
In that whole article Mitt sidesteps the issue entirely, and doesn't mention his stated support for embryonic stem cell research on embryos from fertility clinics.

Just another example of his duplicity.

Unlike many on the right, Romney supports research on excess embryos created during fertility treatments. ...... Romney's position, however, is at odds with the views of many conservative anti abortion activists, who believe that any work on stem cells derived from human embryos is wrong, because it destroys the embryos in the process.

Apparently he supports research and embryos, supported Massachusetts paying for it, but now he's saying that even though he supports it he doesn't support the feds paying for it. Weasel weasel weasel.....

He's on record as supporting in theory and opposing in fact the Democrats' bill to fund the embryonic stem cell research he supports.

105 posted on 09/06/2007 11:23:15 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: JohnnyZ
Guns

Governor Romney: "Americans should have the right to own and possess firearms as guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution. I’m proud to be among the many decent, law-abiding men and women who safely use firearms."
(Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney Visits Firearms Industry's Trade Show, Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show, Jan. 12, 2007)

Hasn’t Gov. Romney been against the right to bear arms?

No. Governor Romney has always supported that right. The firearms bills that Governor Romney signed into law were all endorsed by the National Rifle Association and/or the Gun Owners' Action League (GOAL), which bills itself as "The Official Firearms Association of Massachusetts."

Despite a heavily Democratic anti-gun Legislature in Massachusetts, he signed a NRA-backed bill in 2006 (H. 4552) that reduced a testing requirement on certain pistol-makers before they could sell guns in Massachusetts. The Gun Owners' Action League praised Gov. Romney for his support of H. 4552.

"Target shooters are an important part of our membership and I know they will be very pleased with this change," said James Wallace, Executive Director of the Gun Owners’ Action League.
(Governor Romney Approves Exemption for Target Pistols, July 26, 2006)
Governor Mitt Romney signed legislation aimed at providing one clear definition of a loaded shotgun or rifle for the state's hunting enthusiasts. For years, two competing definitions had existed on the books, leaving law abiding gun owners wondering when and how they can enter or cross a public way with their firearms.
"On behalf of the lawful gun owners of the Commonwealth, I would like to thank Governor Romney and all who took part in the passage of this legislation. We have taken another important step in reforming the 1998 gun laws," said Jim Wallace, Executive Director of the Gun Owners' Action League. "This new law addresses a conflict that had previously caused great concern in those who use traditional muzzle loading rifles and shotguns. Now they confidently know what is expected of them and can enjoy their heritage without the fear of being prosecuted for violating a poorly written law."
(Massachusetts Clarifies Muzzleloader Law, Buckmasters, November 22, 2005)
Gov. Romney signed legislation requiring all new hunters to take a hunter education course. The measure had the strong support of sportsmen and gun owners.
"We are pleased with the passage of yet another correction of Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998, which created a confusing standard for acquiring a hunting, sporting or fishing license," said James Wallace, GOAL’s executive director. "Prior to the passage of this law some eight years ago, hunter education was mandatory for all first time hunters. While GOAL does not normally support mandatory training, it is our belief that every first time hunter should be exposed to the ethics, safety aspects and laws in Massachusetts regarding hunting before taking to the field for the first time."
(Romney Signs Legislation to Promote Hunter Safety, July 6, 2006)
On the 31st anniversary of the Gun Owners' Action League, Governor Romney declared May 7, 2005 as "The Right to Bear Arms Day" in Massachusetts to honor "the right of decent, law-abiding citizens to own and use firearms in defense of their families, persons, and property and for all lawful purposes, including the common defense."
(Romney retreats on gun control, Boston Globe, January 14, 2007)

Opponents of gun control and critics of Governor Romney point to the fact that he signed firearms legislation in July, 2004 that included a ban of assault weapons in Massachusetts (S.2367). However, the bill only reaffirmed an existing Massachusetts state ban on assault weapons that was enacted as part of sweeping gun control laws passed in Massachusetts in 1998, five years before Romney took office, and didn't ban any additional guns. The state ban of assault weapons enacted in 1998 was not due to disappear, nor would it have become invalid with the sunset of the federal ban in September, 2004.
(Massachusetts - Firearms Reform Bill Sent to the Governor`s Desk, National Rifle Association - Institute for Legislative Action, June 29, 2004)

The firearms reform bill signed by Governor Romney in 2004 had the endorsement of the NRA, Gun Owners' Action League, law enforcement and Massachusetts gun owners. The bill added several measures these groups favored, including a lengthening of the terms of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry, namely;

1) Extending the term of a firearm identification card and a license to carry firearms from four years to six years,
2) Granting a 90-day grace period for holders of firearm identification cards and licenses to carry who have applied for renewal, and
3) Creating a seven-member Firearm License Review Board to review firearm license applications that have been denied.

"This is truly a great day for Massachusetts' sportsmen and women. These reforms correct some serious mistakes that were made during the gun debate in 1998, when many of our state’s gun owners were stripped of their long-standing rights to own firearms."
(MA State Senator Stephen M. Brewer (D), July 1, 2004)

"I want to congratulate everyone that has worked so hard on this issue. Because of their dedication, we are here today to sign into law this consensus piece of legislation. This change will go a long way toward fixing the flaws created by the 1998 law. Another key piece to this legislation addresses those citizens who have applied for renewals. If the government does not process their renewal in a timely fashion, those citizens won't be put at risk because of the 90 day grace period that is being adopted today."
(MA State Representative George N. Peterson, Jr. (R), July 1, 2004)

"There are a lot of good things in the bill," said Jim Wallace, legislative director of the Gun Owners' Action League, the state's leading pro-gun group. "In all, the bill represents a healing process, or the beginning of the healing process, between lawful gun owners and the Massachusetts Legislature."
(State moves on assault weapons ban, Boston Globe, June 24, 2004)

The firearms reform bill signed in 2004 prohibited the sale of the same weapons in Massachusetts banned in the 1998 legislation but loosened other restrictions imposed by the 1998 gun bill. Therefore, after Governor Romney signed the gun bill in 2004, gun owners in Massachusetts had fewer restrictions on gun ownership than at any time since 1998. The bill was passed in the Senate by a vote of 36 - 1 in favor and the House passed it with no amendments or debate on a "voice" vote. This represented by far the broadest support a reform bill has ever seen in the Massachusetts State House. Only one legislator in the entire building voiced opposition to the bill.

The NRA gave Mitt Romney a rating of 'B' in the 2002 election race for Governor of Massachusetts.
(Romney retreats on gun control, Boston Globe, January 14, 2007)

Mitt Romney joined the NRA in August, 2006 and signed up for a lifetime membership. Romney said of the NRA, "I think they're doing good things, and I believe in supporting the right to bear arms."
(ABC News This Week interview with Mitt Romney on Feb 18, 2007)

Governor Romney: "I know the NRA does not support an assault weapon ban. So I don't line up on that particular issue with the NRA, either does President Bush. He likewise says he supported an assault weapon ban."

"Today we don't have the Brady bill because we have instantaneous background checks. That's no longer a operative or needed measure."

"But I'm a strong proponent of Second Amendment rights. I believe people, under our Constitution, have the right to bear arms."

"We have a gun in one of our homes. It's not owned by me, it's owned by my son, but I've always considered it sort of mine."

"I've been a hunter all my life, not frequently, but as a boy, when I worked on a ranch in Idaho, we used to go out shooting rabbits, because they were eating all the barley, and I got pretty good with a single shot .22 rifle, and been quail hunting more recently."

"So I'm a hunter and believe in Second Amendment rights, but I also believe that assault weapons are not needed in the public population."
(ABC News This Week interview with Mitt Romney on Feb 18, 2007)

Campaigning in Indianapolis on Thursday, Romney said he has hunted small game since his youth. "I'm not a big-game hunter. I've made that very clear," he said. "I've always been a rodent and rabbit hunter. Small varmints, if you will. I began when I was 15 or so, and I have hunted those kinds of varmints since then. More than two times."
(Romney Aims Again to Explain Hunting, Emily Udell, Associated Press, April 6, 2007)

Abortion and Sanctity of Life

Governor Romney was presented with legislation concerning life issues on several occasions from the 85% majority Democrat Legislature in Massachusetts. In every instance he took the pro-life position by vetoing bills or lobbying for the pro-life approach, including the following actions:
He vetoed the bill providing state funding for human embryonic stem cell research
(Theo Emery, "Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney Vetoes Stem Cell Bill," The Associated Press, 5/27/05)

He vetoed a bill that provided for the "morning after pill" without a prescription because it is an abortifacient and would have been available to minors without parental notification and consent
(Governor Mitt Romney, Op-Ed, "Why I Vetoed The Contraception Bill," The Boston Globe, 7/26/05)

He vetoed legislation which would have redefined Massachusetts longstanding definition of the beginning of human life from fertilization to implantation
(Governor Mitt Romney, Letter To The Massachusetts State Senate And House Of Representatives, 5/12/05)

He supported parental notification laws and opposed efforts to weaken parental involvement
(John McElhenny, "O'Brien And Romney Spar In Last Debate Before Election," The Associated Press, 10/29/02)

He fought to promote abstinence education in public school classrooms with a program offered by faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Gov. Romney's administration was the first in Massachusetts to use federal abstinence education funds for classroom programs.
(Office Of Governor Mitt Romney, Romney Announces Award of Abstinence Education Contract, April 20, 2006)

Governor Romney: "Times of decision are moments of great clarity. Before I was Governor, the life issue was just that, an issue. But when responsibility for life or ending life was placed in my hands, I made the right decision. I chose life."
(Governor Mitt Romney's Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, June 15, 2007)

Eight prominent leaders of pro-life and pro-family groups in Massachusetts wrote an open letter praising Gov. Romney for his leadership and accomplishments in these important issues and attesting to his commitment to the pro-life and pro-family causes. (This letter is a MUST READ)

Massachusetts Citizens for Life recently gave Gov. Romney their 2007 Mullins Award for Outstanding Political Leadership presented at the Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner where Romney delivered the keynote speech.

Ann Romney serves as co-chairman of the Massachusetts Citizens for Life capital campaign.

Massachusetts Citizens For Life Executive Director Marie Sturgis: "Having Governor Romney in the corner office for the last four years has been one of the strongest assets the pro-life movement has had in Massachusetts."
(Kathryn Jean Lopez, "An Early Massachusetts Primary," National Review, 1/10/07)

Massachusetts Citizens For Life Pioneer Valley Chapter Chairman Kevin Jourdain: "Mitt Romney was a great Governor, who served with honor and distinction. But most importantly, he was a pro-life Governor. He vetoed a number of pro-abortion pieces of legislation and made many pro-life appointments. He was always there for us."
(Kevin Jourdain, Remarks, Agawam, MA, 5/10/07)

Governor Romney has received the important endorsement of James Bopp, Jr., a nationally-known attorney and leading advocate for the pro-life movement. Jim Bopp reviewed Romney's record as Governor and questioned him personally before giving Romney his endorsement. Bopp most recently joined the Romney Presidential campaign as a special adviser on life issues, an unpaid position.

Bopp wrote about the record of Gov. Romney,

"These actions as governor have lead leaders of the most important social conservative groups in Massachusetts, including Massachusetts Citizens for Life, Massachusetts Family Institute, and the Knights of Columbus, to observe that, while previous comments by Romney “are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now — and those actions positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.” They conclude that Romney “demonstrat[ed] [his] solid social conservative credentials by undertaking” these actions, and has therefore “proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.”
(The Best Choice Is Also a Good Choice - Why social conservatives should support Mitt Romney for president, National Review Online, Feb. 21, 2007)
Governor Romney believes Roe v. Wade should be overturned as a first step, allowing the States to set abortion policy, as a goal that can be achieved more quickly. For a longer range goal after overturning Roe v. Wade, he supports a Human Life Amendment to the Constitution and endorses legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment's protections apply to unborn children.

Romney believes that controversial abortion policy should be decided through the democratic process by citizens in the several states and their elected representatives rather than by federal judicial mandate.

Governor Romney: "I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth. I am prolife. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."
("Why I vetoed contraception bill", Boston Globe Op-Ed, July 26, 2005)

View video of a portion of a speech delivered by Mitt Romney at the National Review Institute Conservative Summit in which he describes a pivotal event in his life while learning about stem cell research and embryo farming from Harvard research scientists. From a researcher's comment explaining that there wasn't a moral issue at stake in the embryo farming process because the embryos are destroyed after 14 days, Romney was hit hard by the harsh realization that, in his words, "We have so cheapened the value and sanctity of human life in our society that someone could think there is not a moral issue because we kill human embryos at 14 days." Gov. Romney publicly affirmed his pro-life position thereafter.

Research Briefing: Promoting A Culture Of Life: The Romney Vision Vs. The Democrat Vision

The influence of family members and events in Mitt Romney's life on matters of abortion are worth considering. They illuminate obstacles he surmounted to adopt pro-life beliefs in his private life. Mitt Romney’s mother, Lenore Romney, advocated a pro-choice position in her unsuccessful 1970 run for the U.S. Senate in Michigan, writing in her campaign platform, "I support and recognize the need for more liberal abortion rights while reaffirming the legal and medical measures needed to protect the unborn and pregnant woman [sic]." Mitt Romney revealed in 1994 that his brother-in-law's sister, a close family friend, died after a botched illegal abortion in the 1960s when Mitt would have been in his teens and early 20s.
(Romney releases mother's statement on abortion issue, Boston Globe, June 28, 2005)

In a 2/14/07 appearance on ABC "Good Morning America", Ann Romney talks about her personal struggle with multiple sclerosis and offers her perspective on embryonic stem cell research with a powerful, inspiring message opposing medical experimentation that could conceivably relieve her own suffering. Read a thought-provoking commentary by Alliance Defense Fund attorney David French on Ann Romney's strength of character in opposing embryonic stem cell research as seen in the ABC "Good Morning America" segment.

Gov. Romney made a $15,000 contribution in 2006 to the pro-life group Massachusetts Citizens for Life from the Tyler Charitable Foundation, a joint family trust of Mitt and Ann Romney. They also donated $10,000 to the Massachusetts Family Institute during the same time period.

The Tyler Charitable Foundation has donated more than $2.9 million to more than 40 healthcare groups, schools, and other charitable organizations since 1999.


106 posted on 09/06/2007 11:24:03 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Some observations from last night’s debate;

Ron Paul is a certifiable loon and how any FReeper can support him with a straight face is way beyond me.

I like Tancredo, but there can be no doubt that he’s a one issue candidate.

Rudy is a blowhard and New Yorkers can have him back. We don’t want him here in the Midwest. Give him a job at Fox, maybe replacing Colmes. Hell, Hannity has him on every other night, that is, when he’s not talking to Al Sharpton.

Mitt’s middle name is RINO.

Huckabee doesn’t have a clue.

McCain blew it with his support of “immigration reform,” and he can talk all he wants about terrorists and the WOT, but he’ll soon dry up and blow away.

I was impressed with Hunter but he hardly got any questions.

And oh yes; Ron Paul is a certifiable loon.


107 posted on 09/06/2007 11:24:35 AM PDT by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: t_skoz
If I didn’t read the thread, how did I know that you didn’t watch the debate?

The fact that you claim to know something that isn't true demonstrates that you haven't read the whole thread.

108 posted on 09/06/2007 11:26:41 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Spiff
SPAM

In a 2/14/07 appearance on ABC "Good Morning America", Ann Romney talks about her personal struggle with multiple sclerosis and offers her perspective on embryonic stem cell research with a powerful, inspiring message opposing medical experimentation that could conceivably relieve her own suffering. Read a thought-provoking commentary by Alliance Defense Fund attorney David French on Ann Romney's strength of character in opposing embryonic stem cell research as seen in the ABC "Good Morning America" segment.

Of course, when Mitt and Ann were avowedly pro-abortion in years 2004 and prior, they used Ann's multiple sclerosis as evidence of their commitment to all forms of embryonic stem cell research, and harshly criticized President Bush for opposing it.

Really sad, even sickening, they they would continue to use Ann Romney's illness for political gain -- now they've done it on BOTH SIDES of the issue!

109 posted on 09/06/2007 11:38:00 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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To: Reaganesque; redgirlinabluestate; TAdams8591

Mitt and Rudy held their own last night. No gains no losses. I thought the night belonged to the second tier candidates although no one changed their standing in the polls. Mitt was the obvious target since he has the upward momentum. The sheriff’s remark was a cheap shot meant to humiliate Mitt who has already apologized. The whole debate was designed to attack the candidates and provided little benefit to the viewer.

Mitt was slow out of the gate and seemed preoccupied. He was a little reserved but got back in form later. His post debate interview with Hannity was much better. I was puzzled, especially by a couple of answers where he appeared to move to the center. IMO, it’s too early, but I figured the Dems are watching him closely now to use everything against him later on.

Then I remembered the article yesterday revealing the Dems had a file on Mitt. Remember Mitt’s debate answer on abortion where he made it a point to say how much he cares about the mother too? Remember that story a few months back where someone alleged he (as a Mormon bishop) tried to talk a woman out of a health-related abortion? Once I put that together it all clicked. I will bet that incident is in that file and the Dems are ready to pull that woman out to prove Mitt is a right wing monster who is willing to let women die rather than have a health-related abortion.

That explains Mitt’s demeanor last night. He looked like he knew something that bothered him. While some here on FR think he’s a RINO, the rest of the liberal planet views him as a right wing conservative. He must temper that view and now he is on defense.

The winning candidate must have crossover appeal. So far Mitt and Obama are the only ones who can pick up independent and opposition votes. St. Fred can’t, Hunter and the others can’t, except for Rudy.

Mitt’s in a difficult position now but I have every confidence he can overcome. The election is won day to day, person to person. Mitt is superior in that regard.


110 posted on 09/06/2007 1:38:47 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: ishabibble
I watched Mitt get crushed by the deputy sheriff who resented the statements Mitt made regarding his sons. Some weeks ago, Mitt said that his five sons were serving their country by helping to get him elected POTUS. I know exactly how that deputy feels as my son is USMC and has served three tours in Iraq. I couldn’t believe how Slick brushed that statement aside. Mitt Romney...never in a million years

Couple that with what "Mr. Apparently" stumbled around the surge question and you get a picture of someone who's afraid to engage in straight talk. Romney has flipped and flopped more than a fresh mackerel on a hot sandy beach; he simply cannot be trusted with the keys to the country. All-in-all I was pleasantly surprised at the job McCain did. I believe he and Duncan Hunter were the only ones to really get the Iran-With-Nukes scenario right as you don't go to your allies, you don't go to the U.N., or the Democrats, or try diplomacy--you bomb the hell out of them just as you would have done to the Soviets doing the Cold War had Cheyenne Mountain picked up and incoming barrage of ICBMs--IRAN MUST NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE BIG POTATO, PERIOD!

111 posted on 09/06/2007 1:49:26 PM PDT by meandog ((Romney and Giuliani: Just like Bill Clinton, duplicitous draft-dodgers))
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Excellent analysis Deborah, and thank you! I’d like to comment more fully to your post later. : )


112 posted on 09/06/2007 4:04:26 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: meandog
Couple that with what "Mr. Apparently" stumbled around the surge question and you get a picture of someone who's afraid to engage in straight talk.

If you look later in the debate, Mitt Romney had a chance to explain himself after McCain's ridiculous and weak attack on him for saying "apparently." The bottom line is that no one has seen the Petraeus report - at least no one on that stage.

I’m going to wait -- Well, you know, we haven’t heard from General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker. I believe it’s successful, but I’m going to hold out until we hear the report. I’m going to give them the benefit of hearing that.

I know there are some early reports that they’re going to say it’s successful, and I certainly hope that’s the case. But let’s listen to their report.

And assuming success, let’s start bringing our troops back when they feel it’s the right time to do so to make sure that we -- we move to the support stage out of a posture of strength and not of a -- out of a posture of bowing to the Democrats. The Democrats want to remove al-Maliki -- they want to remove the head of the government and withdraw. That’s a policy for chaos.

Sounds pretty wise to me to wait to read or hear exactly what the report has to say before spouting off and declaring something an unequivocal success.

113 posted on 09/06/2007 4:14:59 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Reaganesque

~”Not his best performance of the five debates but a good one.”~

I agree. Romney didn’t fail in this debate, but he didn’t shine, either. If he’s to overcome the obstacles in his way, though, he needs to shine, and merely “good” performances such as last night’s won’t cut it.

Still a long row left to hoe.


114 posted on 09/06/2007 4:23:20 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: ishabibble

~”How about something like that? I know I sure would have appreciated it.”~

To be frank, ishabibble, I was also hoping he would say something along those lines, and was disappointed when he didn’t. It’s clear that the original statement was little more than a thoughtless gaffe, and he did apologize a couple of days later, but he had the opportunity to knock it out of the park with a little contrition, and I didn’t see it.


115 posted on 09/06/2007 4:31:22 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: rhombus

~”Which of course begs the question, when you slip up and say something dumb, how many times doe you have to keep apologizing for everyone in the world to believe you are sincere?”~

Every time it comes up. “I was wrong, I apologized for it, and I apologize again.” With answers like that, it’s not long before the issue atrophies.


116 posted on 09/06/2007 4:33:13 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: LibLieSlayer

~”Funny... all I remember of Mitt was McCain whuppin’ his arse over Iraq!”~

When I watched that, I couldn’t help but roll my eyes at McCain. “No, not apparently, yada yada.” McCain was nitpicking, and it came off as petty.


117 posted on 09/06/2007 4:34:45 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: Reaganesque
I thought RP was downright scary!

I was impressed with Hunter...McCain kind of helped his cause I thought.

118 posted on 09/06/2007 4:38:06 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (He really DID do it! Go, Fred Go!)
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To: JohnnyZ

~”The beginning of the end for the ill-fated Romney candidacy.”~

You keep saying that, and it just keeps not happening. You might try clicking your heels together three times.


119 posted on 09/06/2007 4:41:14 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh

We are obviously NOT thinking of the same exchange. Mitt was unprepared on Iraq... sounding like a dim surrender monkey... McCain slapped him down on his “if the surge is working” and his “apparent success” statements. McCain got in his face and smacked him down hard... and Mitt deserved it!

LLS


120 posted on 09/06/2007 4:45:16 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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