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CA: Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartridges (Up to Gubinor aRnold now)
ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 9/6/07 | Don Thompson - ap

Posted on 09/06/2007 6:54:57 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO

California would be the first state to require that every semiautomatic handgun cartridge be stamped with an identifying mark if the governor signs a bill that has now cleared both chambers of the Legislature.

The Senate approved the bill Thursday, sending it back to the Assembly for a final vote on amendments. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has not said whether he will sign the bill once it reaches his desk.

The measure would require that, starting in 2010, every semiautomatic handgun sold in California would have to automatically "microstamp" each bullet cartridge in two locations as it is fired. The microscopic stamping would identify the gun's make, model and serial number.

The bill would not affect revolvers, rifles or shotguns, but supporters say semiautomatics are the weapon used in a majority of homicides committed with firearms. Unlike revolvers, semiautomatics eject a cartridge each time they are fired, scattering evidence at a crime scene.

"This is something that would be helpful in identifying the gun that was used in the commission of a crime," said Sen. Jack Scott, D-Altadena, during Thursday's debate. "It's just giving law enforcement one more tool."

The measure cleared the Senate 21-17, with no votes to spare.

Opponents said the technology and the bill itself are dangerously flawed.

Criminals could collect cartridges from firing ranges and strew them at crime scenes, implicating innocent citizens, said Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Temecula. The firing pin that stamps the cartridge will either have to be so soft that it could be easily erased, or so brittle that it could break, he said.

Sen. Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, argued that the bill will add "more cost and unnecessary harassment, quite frankly, of law-abiding citizens."

Similar legislation was introduced in Massachusetts and Rhode Island this year, according to the bill's author, Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles. A federal bill, modeled on California's, is being considered by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Los Angeles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; callegislation; cartridges; democrats; liberals; microstamp; pistol
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To: OCCASparky

I smell big profits for gun dealers willing to take a van to CA!!

This will definitely encourage more stolen, black market guns to flood the market in CA.

Wish I owned a gun shop on the Nevada or WA borders!!


41 posted on 09/07/2007 7:13:44 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: rockrr

Those guns will be exempt from the law, like many of those who will be carrying them, of course!
DUH


42 posted on 09/07/2007 7:16:07 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Stoooopid!!!!


43 posted on 09/07/2007 7:19:10 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: Hazcat
Unlike revolvers, semiautomatics eject a cartridge each time they are fired, scattering evidence at a crime scene.

All that evidence lying around and yet they still cant find the guns.

I'm trying to recall where it was that ALL pistols had to be fired and databased before sale. Anyone know how that massive clusterbase worked out???

44 posted on 09/07/2007 10:42:05 AM PDT by Gilbo_3
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To: Gilbo_3
I'm trying to recall where it was that ALL pistols had to be fired and databased before sale. Anyone know how that massive clusterbase worked out???

I believe that was CA and MA.

45 posted on 09/07/2007 10:46:09 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"If this goes into law what the authorities will discover from most recovered shells is that they were fired by stolen pistols."

THAT's the scary part.

If you were afraid the new Camry made you a target.............

46 posted on 09/07/2007 10:54:44 AM PDT by norton
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Brass is hard, to stamp an imprint into brass would in theory require a very hard metal or alloy, which is typically more brittle. If the alloy or metal which stamps the brass is made softer, it will leave a poor impression, and with repeated firing will wear away until it leaves no impression at all.

Anyway, this sounds pretty stupid to me, if your objective is to "fingerprint" ammunition wouldn't you want to stamp the bullet instead of the casing, or just require the manufacturer to test fire one round and send it to the CA authorities to have the rifling pattern logged into a database.

47 posted on 09/07/2007 1:11:30 PM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; smoketree; El Gato
Probably need to change the extractor as well.

Firing pins break and get replaced all the time don't they?

48 posted on 09/07/2007 1:14:41 PM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: mylife

The empties won’t have the same powder residue as the bullet unless it’s the same ammo, and maybe same lot.


49 posted on 09/07/2007 1:15:54 PM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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