Posted on 09/07/2007 8:47:46 AM PDT by grundle
“Different laws for different states.”
That’s the exact point I was attempting to make. Some people can’t seem to grasp that simple concept.
As a CCW holder in CA, I believe it is entirely ethical to shoot some asshat who has just robbed you. Legal in all cases? No. Ethically though I find nothing wrong with shooting criminals if they are in the act of robbing me,even if they are fleeing. This would go a long way, as it used to, in stopping property crimes. Some states, such as Florida have adopted the castle doctrine and I say more power to them. I work hard for my money, I should have the right to stop any criminal, by any means, if they rob me and try to flee with my property. Don't want to get shot? Don't steal, simple solution. Anyone who believs otherwise is an idiot IMO.
Pshaw. A Texas millionaire who “accidently” killed his neighbor in an argument butchered the body and threw it into the Gulf (where I believe it was recovered).
I think at most he got charged with “Tampering with evidence”. He’s out now.
Yes that is the problem. You fire at people when you’re in fear for your life, or the lives of people around you. You can’t fire at a person who is fleeing the scene.
Mind you if you’ve just been robbed, it sure would be tempting! I know I’d want to.
Not even cops can shoot a fleeing felon unless they believe (and better be able to prove) that the criminal was an imminent threat to the cops or the public. Remember the ICE guys who are in jail for shooting a fleeing drug dealer?
They believed he was grabbing a gun.
Are police allowed to use deadly force to stop fleeing violent felons?...Actually, NO.
“You can’t shoot at someone who’s committed a property crime if they are fleeing.”
Of course, if he has a gun in his hand, you cannot know if the running person is really “fleeing” or simply attempting to get to a better tactical position.
Don’tcha just love the term “property” crime. Almost everything I own I worked for—it represents my blood, sweat and tears. To pretend that somehow a “property” crime has less standing than an assault on a person is ludicrous. If somebody attacks my property they have attacked me.
I don’t like the idea of having to manipulate the crime scene to make it appear I complied with the stupid law, but I will do it. Anybody who comes into my house for nefarious reasons will not leave alive if I can help it.
“A good statement from the homeowner would have been: ‘As I was chasing them out of my house, one pointed his firearm back towards me and I feared for my life.’”
And that may be the case here. We don’t know. We only know what this one reporter wrote.
If the homeowner can claim that he did not know they carried BB guns but thought that they carried rifles, he may have a defense. Anyone running away with a rifle can turn around and fire at you in an instant. The key to the issue would be; did the perps run away while carrying the BB guns?
That is the spin this reporter is putting on it. We do not know for sure if they pointed a gun at him while running or not. It also shows bias on the part of the reporter to say that he shot at “fleeing teens”. More correctly, he should have said “running robbers”. There was no way for the armed citizen to know the ages of the robbers.
A donut shop owner in California who didn't have workman's Compensation insurance ('cause he couldn't afford the premiums) did something like that. When he arrived to find his wounded employee who was shot during a robbery, he grabbed his employee and drug him outside.
The man got hit with punitives.
More than likely lost his shop.
You, however, would most likely go to jail if you tried to pull a stunt like that.
“OK chief, the guy who shot the kid did not follow the law. Can’t you understand that simple fact?”
We do not know that the above is a fact. All we know is what an obviously biased reporter wrote.
Do you have a source for that?
I know that is not the law in Bucks County, Pennsylvania.
Not true, I would expect them to come back later thereby posing a threat of grave bodily harm or death.
Exactly, as much as you may love your property it is not worth more than a human life, no matter how wasted that life may be.
...in ten easy payments, or if paid in full promptly give him a 90% discount for good behavior.
Police are but citizens aren’t
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