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Why Thompson thinks he can win
The Hill ^ | September 07, 2007 | Byron York

Posted on 09/08/2007 5:17:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: nathanbedford

I only need direct you to the Fred Thompson announcing statement. I have not seen a transcript of this, so you will need to view and listen by going to the Thompson campaign website.

And, please accept my apologies, I do not feel I have lectured to you, nor do I feel that I have treated you condescendingly in my posts, and I regret that I have given you that impression. I respect your views, and only had the intention to participate in the vigorous exchange that I have come to expect on this board over the past nine years.

As you have said, you are favorably disposed toward a Thompson candidacy. The last thing in the world I would want to do is put you off the man by insulting you.


41 posted on 09/08/2007 1:44:18 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
Thank you for that explanation. I regret if I sounded more than a local prissy in my last post. To establish my bona fides as a Thompson supporter, I bombard you here with a series of posts demonstrating my support for Thompson and also expressing my urgent concern that the party is in desperate trouble in this cycle and we must therefore change the rules of the game:

Fred Thompson , the one who can win.

Yes I think Fred Thompson is the one who can win and I fear he is the only one who can win. Barring a dramatic incident between now and election Day, this election belongs to the 'rats. On a state-by-state geographical breakdown the Republicans are in serious trouble when all the border states and even (gasp) Virginia were lost in the last election. We just lost Ohio, gone the way of Pennsylvania, likewise Missouri, and we simply cannot win the presidency without Ohio and Missouri and Virginia. By November we will have held office going on eight years and that indicates a problem for the incumbent party. But at the end of the day, the real problem is Iraq. Unless we can fix that mess we will lose the presidency and even more of the House and Senate.

But a year and a half in politics is, as they say, a lifetime and we may yet see some intervening events like 9/11 which stands everything on its head and opens the gate for the Republicans to hold on. I do not think it will be enough merely to put the Democrats fingerprints on the war and blame them for a Vietnam like ending. This is the Republicans' war and how it goes will probably determine the next election. But how it goes will not be determined objectively but by a media determined to stop the war and destroy the Republican Party. Remember, the media has already convinced enough Americans before the last election that 3000 fatalities were too much to bear and that the war was lost.

In the face of this grim prospect, Fred Thompson is the only candidate who is acceptable to all parts of the Republican spectrum and who also has requisite personal gravitas to make incursions into independents and Reagan Democrats needed to hold the states mentioned above as well as the Southwest which is cracking as well, and even Florida.

If the Republicans lose the grip on the presidency as well as the legislative branch, I fear the party will be eclipsed for a generation."

On June 11th I posted this:

"Clinton, Romney Top New Hampshire Poll

Posted by nathanbedford to Vigilanteman; Prokopton; Clemenza

On News/Activism 06/11/2007 2:30:11 AM EDT • 15 of 15

As I posted three weeks ago, the field has narrowed to two, Thompson and Romney, and Thompson will eventually take it, although he might stumble if he fails to assemble a staff which can cope with the professionalism which the Romney team enjoys. McCain, as I stated three weeks ago, is finished and Giuliani is utterly unacceptable to the broad base of the party. Newt Gingrich will enter the race only in the unlikely event that he sees daylight in September, but he has no chance. The second-tier candidates are essentially running for vice president.

Thompson has the virtue of being acceptable to both the Goldwater and Rockefeller wings of the party. He is sound on the three fundamental issues which can disqualify a Republican hopeful: abortion, immigration, taxes and spending. He can plausibly run as an outsider, certainly one who's largely untainted with a Bush legacy. He has gravitas and a folksy charm, a rare combination. He does not terrify independents or Reagan Democrats and even has a chance of garnering a few of them. He is our best candidate who can hold the base with one hand and raid Democrat territory with the other.

Mitt Romney is an exceptional individual who has demonstrated in his private and public careers that he is a winner. Only a fool would underestimate him. As I predicted the an August 2006 on these threads, Romney will successfully move to the right and become generally acceptable to the Republican base and, because of his television charisma, he will be able to attract women and independents. His organizational skills are extraordinary. He has already demonstrated a phenomenal ability to raise money. He knows how the game is played and he is spending that money in the right places. Fred Thompson must move rather quickly or Romney could foreclose him in the first three states by dint of his organization and television presence. Nevertheless, Thompson has the edge over Romney because he is more sound on the issues and therefore more attractive to the base which nominates our candidates. Thompson also offers a less button-down more folksy persona than does Romney. Will Romney take second place on the ticket? Will he play George H. W. Bush to Thompson's Reagan?

Whichever of these two men is nominated matters little if they cannot find a way to reshape the campaign and wrest it away from the control of the media who will move heaven and earth to put a Democrat in the White House. The press and the Democrats will run this election on Iraq and healthcare. The Republicans will tend to campaign on taxes, immigration, and the war on terror,-as opposed to the war in Iraq. This will not be enough. Republicans must find new issues and new ways of expressing those issues if they are to avoid paying the price for getting it so politically wrong on Iraq. Simply put, Republicans will lose across the board if this election becomes a third referendum on Iraq. To avoid that calamity which confronts us, the party needs the ideas of a man like Newt Gingrich. He has the right ideas but he cannot be the messenger. Will either Thompson or Romney (or both if they run as a team) have the wit to see that they must change the rules of the game this cycle or lose? "

And finally, more recently:

"Fred Can Win

Posted by nathanbedford to kevkrom

On News/Activism 09/07/2007 2:18:43 PM EDT · 15 of 21

I agree with your analysis and I've come to the same conclusion by a similar process of elimination, Fred Thompson will and should be the nominee. His weakness appears to be an absence of executive experience and indications that he lacks managerial ability. Too bad Mitt Romney cannot be drafted to manage the nuts and bolts of his campaign because Romney has demonstrated throughout his entire career that one thing he can do is manage a turnaround and so far he has run a splendid campaign. If the nod does not go to Thompson I predict Romney will take it.

Fred Thompson is the one candidate who can hold the conservative base with one hand and reach out to moderate independents at the same time with the other. Reacting to his appearance on Jay Leno, I wrote yesterday:

Substance aside, Thompson did not mangle his syntax, he spoke horse sense, he oozes gravitas, he was witty without being silly, American now knows he will not embarrass them, he was charming without pandering, he offended no one.

What's not to like?

However I'm afraid I have to piss on our parade. For the reasons I expressed in another post I believe that Fred Thompson cannot win unless he radically changes the debate:

... one sees confirmed what I have been preaching for months: the Democrats are secure and virtually impregnable in their blue states while we Republicans on the other hand are extremely vulnerable in the border states and the Mountain states. Demographic changes in Florida are making that state increasingly vulnerable. Ohio was lost in the last election and there is no reason to believe it will not stay lost for the foreseeable future. Virginia was also lost and is extremely vulnerable to us for both the Senate seat and the presidential electoral count. If we lose any one of these three states we will have absolutely no chance for the presidency. If we lose a large chunk of the border states, or even only Missouri, we will have no chance for the presidency. If we lose a large chunk of the Mountain states we have no chance for the presidency.

We have no realistic chance under any of these scenarios because the only hope we have of poaching in blue state territory is Wisconsin and this alone is not enough to offset the losses we will sustain in the border mountain and Midwestern states.

This is why I have been saying the Republicans are foredoomed to lose this presidential election unless we change the rules of the game. There is some evidence that Fred Thompson intends to do exactly that (emphasis supplied). If he does not do so he cannot win, in fact, no Republican can win, Rudy Giuliani least of all because he will not have the support of the base of the party.

In my view the race for the nomination will come down to Thompson and Romney and Thompson will probably get it. I say again, our nominee must run on a whole new series of issues or the mainstream media will beat us to death if we do not seize the agenda and take it away from them."


42 posted on 09/08/2007 2:19:13 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: nathanbedford
In my view the race for the nomination will come down to Thompson and Romney and Thompson will probably get it. I say again, our nominee must run on a whole new series of issues or the mainstream media will beat us to death if we do not seize the agenda and take it away from them."

I heartily agree with the ideas you express here. And I would add that where an older issue is part of the campaign it will have to be incorporated into the Thompson narrative in a new and compelling way.

I am very encouraged by evidence that the candidate understands these things and is structuring his campaign and his personal narrative in just such a way. I hope my early impressions are borne out over time.

43 posted on 09/08/2007 2:28:54 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

“The leftist liars in the media deciding who is “top-tier””

Anyone polling over 10% is top tier.


44 posted on 09/08/2007 6:29:31 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: nathanbedford
But how could Thompson get different results [on privatizing Social Security] from Bush?
He cannot. And that's why it is the wrong issue.
The Social Security issue has to be addressed correctly, which means that you have to explain to everyone that the Social Security Trust "Fund" is an IOU that the government has written to itself. All very well to say that you will use it to help pay for Social Security when the cash flow of the program - payroll taxes less SS payouts - goes negative. But you must then explain where the Treasury gets the $$ to pay its debt to the SSTF. And the answer will be either tax revenue or printing press money - precisely as if the accounting fiction known as the SSTF did not even exist.

The cash flow of Social Security is projected to go negative at approximately the end of the next administration, if the next president gets reelected . . . and in succeeding administrations, the necessity to retire the debt of the SSTF will become The Monster That Ate California.

Social Security was "the third rail of American politics" until GWB touched it, and lived. No, he didn't accomplish any legislation - but for some time, children have been growing up with a sober realization of who is supposed to pay off the debt which is the SSTF.

SocSecurity has always played as, "Thank God Mother has Social Security so that I don't have to support her." But when the Ponzi scheme which is the SSTF comes home to roost, the issue will look a little bit different than that. Of course, at that point the Party of Big Journalism will flip the issue and berate the Republicans for "spending all the money in the SSTF." And you and I will scratch our heads and remark on how there seems to be nothing some people won't believe.


45 posted on 09/09/2007 4:12:56 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: John Valentine
Have a look here at what poofter/blogger/pundit/author/editor Andrew Sullivan is doing to Fred as an illustration of why he has to take the agenda away from the media.

Sullivan pretends to conservatism.


46 posted on 09/09/2007 9:08:12 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: John Valentine

Maybe the cite will help you find it - sorry.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1893025/posts?page=43


47 posted on 09/09/2007 9:10:49 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("I like to legislate. I feel I've done a lot of good." Sen. Robert Byrd)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; wardaddy; hiredhand

.......I can’t understand why the other polidiots got into this rat race 2 years before the election ........waste of time and money . Preview of how the polidiots will spend money that isn’t theirs to spend IMO. Thus the term conservative is exposed I suppose.

Stay safe !

Hunter Thompson or Thompson Hunter ticket hopefully....


48 posted on 09/09/2007 9:23:16 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos; 2ndDivisionVet; wardaddy; Knitebane
Almost two years ago, I had a buddy of mine tell me that these turds were making a HUGE by jumping into the ring so early. He predicted that far too many people would get tired of even hearing their rhetoric and that they would have changed their view half a dozen times on what people think is important. Also, they'd spend masses of cash by this time as well.

So far, I believe what he said has largely come true. Additionally, there's been the GOP split due to Shamnesty and those of us on the split side don't even want to hear from or see Rudy McRomney, and would never consider voting for them, even if they're all that we have to choose from from the GOP.

I will have to admit though...I wish the current Executive Administration and the Senate had handled the Amnesty debuncle differently. We could have done without the split. If anything hands this election to the democrats in 2008, it will be THAT.
49 posted on 09/10/2007 5:55:49 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm trying to reserve this graphics heavy posting because it annoys people...not that I care very much. I hope Fred kicks ass and takes names. The Three Turds Who Won't Flush are inconsequential now...a moot point.

Useful Idiot! Rudy Giuliani

Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot! Useful Idiot!


Mitt Romney

Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful


John McCain

Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful Useful
50 posted on 09/10/2007 5:59:40 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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