Posted on 09/09/2007 6:30:36 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
They did, however, drive entire herds over cliffs. Having so done, there was meat and hides galore, followed by flies galore, followed all too soon by hunger galore.
Teeth of most Indians show indication of annual starvation periods.
Being a stone age savage was not a nice “way of life” because it had no “quality of life” and often resulted in no life at all.
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You be posting Ebonics?
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Minus white civilizatin produced weapons, the Indians couldn’t kill off all the buffalo, even when they drove entire herds over cliffs.
All that accomplished was a large feast, followed by lots of labor drying meat and prepping hides.
Then, it was a 25 year wait until the next herd grew up.
Humans have a responsibility to not murder innocent beings, and our laws should reflect that. Don’t you agree?
Agreed, but we are not ‘murdering’ any animals. We do, however hunt, shoot, and eat them.
There is a place for all of God’s creatures. That place is either on a grill or next to the mashed potato serving bowl.
Definitely that applies to chicken and fish -- both of which so far from us sentient mammals that I have no problem killing and eating them (and our family raised chickens which I helped to kill and eat (stupid birds!).
I also dearly do love pork, lamb and beef in their place with mashed potatoes. I rationalize that the cows, sheep and pigs we eat have been bred to be more stupid than their wild ancestors. Deer, elk and bear are a step up in sentience, intelligence, and maybe consciousness, but I have little problem with killing and eating them.
Whales or dolphins I would have more of a problem with killing and eating because they are closer to us on the sentience, sapience, consciousness, intelligence, self-awareness scale.
I guess that some desensitization is needed in order to kill and eat some of our more intelligent fellow mammals. Probably that desensitization is similar to that needed to kill some of our fellow humans in self-defense or in war. Some of our enemies I'd rate lower than whales or chimps.
The baleen whale’s role in life is engulfing huge amounts of organisms like krill and swallowing them alive. The toothed whales snap and swallow live fish or, in the case of teh sperm whales, live squid.
Unless one is a plant, one lives by killing and thus harvesting the collected energy of ones prey.
Once one accepts the basics of biology, one avoids the endless second guessing of what should I eat.
In my case, I know that a whole apple pie and an endless supply of perfect peaches does have a lingering effect on me.
That effect is called “fat”, so on that note I shall sally forth into the ‘Glades and do some work.
Have a good week,
GG
I think there is an envy factor here. Whites (like myself) are controlled by hundreds of sometimes petty and confiscatory laws concerning hunting and fishing. To get a license in Washington is confusing to say the least. Indians (I wont call them native americans, as I too am a native american) seem to be able to hunt and fish without restriction or tax. We are slaves, they are free men and it sticks in our craw.
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Excellent point! Reminds me of one episode of the Twilight Zone. Two astronauts crash landed on Mars. Roddy McDowall played a scientist, and his partner was killed in the crash. McDowall meets the inhabitants of Mars, and they provide him with a nice house to live in. At the end of the show, McDowall finds out his house is an enclosure in a zoo, and the Martians view him as nothing more than a zoo specimen for their children to gawk at.
Tribal law applies on the reservations (instead of state law). And when federal law and tribal law conflict, you’d be surprised at the judicial rulings that comne down in support of tribal law.
And, as for the so-called “annual hunt,” you make it sound like they went out for a month or so and hunted, much like we hunt deer nowadays. The plains tribes such as the Sioux and the Cheyenne and the Arapaho (just to name a handful) followed the buffalo herds, so it wasn’t so much an “annual hunt” but a perpetual hunt until winter made logistics unmanageable(they also went after antelope, elk, deer, etc.; however, one of their main staples was dog).
Change places with them? I would, in a heartbeat, just as long as the tribal council held no authority. I know, because I used to work for a company that insured them, and I handled their claims; and a more incompetent and corrupt governing body you have never seen.
Tribal law is in power unless the crime is a federal law like murder of kidnapping etc. Federal low over powers tribal law. Tribes are not really 100% sovereign. They are a sovereign nation with in a sovereign nation (the US Government)
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Tongue hunts were largely for ceremony.
"And, as for the so-called “annual hunt,” you make it sound like they went out for a month or so and hunted, much like we hunt deer nowadays. The plains tribes such as the Sioux and the Cheyenne and the Arapaho (just to name a handful) followed the buffalo herds, so it wasn’t so much an “annual hunt” but a perpetual hunt until winter made logistics unmanageable(they also went after antelope, elk, deer, etc.; however, one of their main staples was dog)."
Yes, they followed the herds. Their lodges were buffalo hide weighing near a 1/2ton, so they didn't move, but maybe once a year. The annual hunt I referred to was when they killed large numbers of buffalo and brought large amounts of stuff back to camp. Their regular hunts did not involve killing large numbers, as in driving them off a cliff.
“Their lodges were buffalo hide weighing near a 1/2ton, so they didn’t move, but maybe once a year.”
With all due respect, you know absolutely nothing of the Plains Indians. They moved their village sites several times during the year. Theirs was a semi-nomadic culture, made more so because of the horse. The only time they stayed in one place for any stretch was when they went into their winter camps. The Plains Indians did not farm like their eastern or far-western counterparts. As for their lodges, they used deer hides, elk hides, buffalo hides, you name it.
Whatever.
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