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Bond Fund Investors May Be in for Shock-(packaging bad debt wholesale)
ap ^ | 9.9.07 | Alan Zibel,

Posted on 09/09/2007 6:40:26 PM PDT by Flavius

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Could the housing market's woes spread to bonds held in mutual funds by millions of ordinary investors?

Some experts -- and hedge fund investors who have made big bets that the mortgage crisis will worsen -- are saying that's exactly what will happen. Some bond funds that invest in riskier short-term debt already have been whacked by soaring default rates on bonds backed by subprime loans made to borrowers with weak credit.

ADVERTISEMENT Critics charge that Standard & Poor's, Moody's Investors Service and Fitch Ratings routinely give triple-A ratings -- the safest rating there is -- to far too many mortgage-backed bonds backed by subprime home loans.

"The rating agencies just completely missed the boat in their methodology for rating these things," said Janet Tavakoli, president of Tavakoli Structured Finance, a Chicago consulting firm.

About 80 percent of debt in bonds backed by subprime loans is rated triple-A, the same rating on virtually risk-free U.S. Treasury bonds, experts say.

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: debt; fraud; vulturegram
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1 posted on 09/09/2007 6:40:28 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Okay, this this should be an interesting week ahead.


2 posted on 09/09/2007 6:44:20 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Flavius
About 80 percent of debt in bonds backed by subprime loans is rated triple-A, the same rating on virtually risk-free U.S. Treasury bonds, experts say.

Holy RICO statutes, Batman, talk about taking a risk! The ratings agencies have been skating along that razor's edge on quite a few of the new financial "tools" for a long time now. It is about time someone got them back to basics.

3 posted on 09/09/2007 6:44:27 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: NonValueAdded

yes i have a feeling this oops will go back to be fixed by the collective backs of the almighty “consumers”


4 posted on 09/09/2007 6:48:23 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Where are all these empty houses?


5 posted on 09/09/2007 6:55:35 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Flavius

The Housing Bubble.....

Coming Soon to a Mutual Fund near you!!!!


6 posted on 09/09/2007 7:01:53 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: spanalot

In the markets that didn’t see much price appreciation in the last 5 years. Here in Indianapolis, foreclosure sales account for 20% of home sales.


7 posted on 09/09/2007 7:05:16 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Flavius

Thanks for nothing, Maestro.


8 posted on 09/09/2007 7:06:01 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Flavius; GodGunsGuts; Toddsterpatriot

Looks like Hedge Funds have met their demise. I’m set


9 posted on 09/09/2007 7:08:47 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Flavius

bump for later.


10 posted on 09/09/2007 7:08:55 PM PDT by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: spanalot

Watch this, It’s Great

http://patdollard.com/2007/08/09/liberals-carry-empty-briefcases/


11 posted on 09/09/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Flavius

Looks like the money-grubbing roulette wheel ain’t gonna be stopping on the right numbers...

Don’t worry - those scum that package, sell and speculate on these “financial instruments” aren’t going to get hurt.


12 posted on 09/09/2007 7:11:11 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Flavius

bond?...james bond.

alright lois, ill do it!


13 posted on 09/09/2007 7:36:14 PM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (...and that, friends, is what grinds my gears.)
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To: txzman

im not worried its even printed in magazines 2 weeks old

they are all after debt bonds now

they are laughing at little people as they have always done and will continue to

main thing is for the active consumers to keep those credit cards churning


14 posted on 09/09/2007 7:43:00 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Prime mortgage bonds are not the only types of bonds out there. For instance, Senior secured Bonds. And when the Feds are cutting the rates, they usually continue cutting rates for a long time. And bonds do very well in the declining interest rates environment.


15 posted on 09/09/2007 7:50:55 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: John123

i am just enjoying the money printing exercises

its stimulating


16 posted on 09/09/2007 7:53:07 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius
i am just enjoying the money printing exercises its stimulating

And not to mention that taking advantage of economic crisis is extremely profitable. Heck, even Warren Buffet has been buying banks during the sub prime crisis...

17 posted on 09/09/2007 7:57:07 PM PDT by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: durasell

Next week will be more interesting. That’s when the Fed meets.


18 posted on 09/09/2007 7:57:54 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Flavius
"The rating agencies just completely missed the boat in their methodology for rating these things,"

I believe this is the main factor contributing to the recent liquidity dry spell in commercial paper. If debt buyers lose confidence in debt ratings, they may simply stop buying, in relative terms.

19 posted on 09/09/2007 8:02:47 PM PDT by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: Mr J

its a pretty interesting disaster for anyone watching this stuff

the ultimate end of theatrics will be litanies how the consumer has returned to charging their plastics

and before we know it there will be stellar reports on buoyant holiday shopping gluttony

and all will be well in green eggs and ham world


20 posted on 09/09/2007 8:06:39 PM PDT by Flavius
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