The T-90S
The Arjun
Posted on 09/10/2007 10:13:38 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Ajai Shukla: The desert duel that wasn`t
BROADSWORD
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi September 11, 2007
The Mahajan Field Firing Ranges (MFFR), near Suratgarh, in Rajasthan, a hive of army activity between September and March, transforms into desolation during the summer months. During that interregnum, the emptiness, the blazing 50-degree-plus heat, the absence of water, and the unrelenting sandstorms make MFFR an ideal testing ground for equipment that the army proposes to buy.
Here, over the last 33 years, the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) has carried out scores of often-unsuccessful trials on India’s Arjun tank. It is here, during this bygone summer, that the MFFR was to host the mother of all duels: full-scale comparative trials, in which the Arjun tank was to be compared with the army’s workhorses, the Russian T-72 and the new-generation T-90 tanks. If the Arjun performed satisfactorily (nothing better was even imagined) the army would buy 124 tanks, a minuscule purchase considering that its fleet has 3,500 tanks. This token order, worth Rs 2,250 crore, is believed to constitute a face-saving closure to the three-decade-old DRDO project that had spent Rs 300 crore on developing the Arjun.
But this long-playing tale has taken a rousing twist comparable with the most unlikely of underdog success stories. Recent technological breakthroughs in the Arjun project appear to have transformed what was an underperforming liability into something close to a world class 60-tonne Main Battle Tank (MBT) that could literally kick sand in the face of the Russian favourites. Army sources reveal that there was apprehension that the DRDO-built Arjun could outperform the Russian-origin tanks in all three determinants of tank ability: mobility, firepower, and protection. Now, the Ministry of Defence (MoD), at the request of the army, has cancelled the comparative trials.
Confirming that comparative trials would no longer be held, the MoD reasoned that it wasn’t possible to compare “a Maruti with a BMW”. The MoD’s logic that the 60-tonne Arjun couldn’t be compared with the 46-tonne T-90 is hardly credible; neither tank has gained or lost much weight since the comparative trials were ordered. The real reason for cancelling the trials is that if, in head-to-head trials, the Arjun proved to be the better tank, there was no way the project could be buried with an order of only 124 tanks. Instead, the army’s entire tank procurement programme would need to be reworked; the Arjun would take a sizeable bite out of the T-90’s share of the pie.
That would be a huge boost to India’s indigenous tank programme, but a blow to the army’s preference for the Russian T-90. Even as the Arjun’s designers fume at the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE) near Chennai, army chief General JJ Singh will visit Russia next week. High on his agenda is a billion-dollar deal for the purchase of 347 more T-90 tanks. Next month, Defence Minister AK Antony too will be in Russia; the T-90 deal could be signed during his visit.
It is ironical that the MoD, which financed and supported the Arjun programme through three decades of failure, has turned away just when the tank seems to have overcome its major problems. After a miserable failure in 2005, when the tank’s electronics proved utterly inadequate, the turning point came last year. In summer 2006, firing trials established, in the words of the army’s own trial team, that the “accuracy and consistency of the Arjun tank was (sic) proved beyond doubt”. Later, the MoD stated to Parliament’s Standing Committee on Defence that, “Arjun’s firing accuracy is far superior to the other two tanks”. This summer, the army raised another objection: the Arjun should be able to drive for 20 minutes in six feet of water. The CVRDE has managed that as well.
At the Arjun test track at Avadi, I drove the tank for an hour over a series of obstacles that would stretch any tank in the world. The Arjun’s chronic problems with the suspension and overheating were nowhere in evidence. While this hardly constituted a serious trial, the Arjun surely deserves to be put through comparative trials, if only to empirically determine which of India’s options is the best. This is especially important in the light of many reports that the T-90 is facing serious problems with its electronics in the desert heat. The army is planning to air-condition all its T-90s, a situation that is unlikely to work.
For now, despite the Arjun turnaround, its future seems uncertain. From October, the army will put the tank through trials; without the baseline parameters that would have been provided by the T-72 and the T-90 in comparative trials, its designers fear that the tank could be accepted or rejected based on arbitrary criteria.
If there is a silver lining in the dark clouds over the Arjun, it is in the fact that army officers and jawans who are involved in the tank’s development and trials are developing confidence in the Arjun. Once the tank enters service, this constituency could grow in size and influence. As Secretary of Defence Production KP Singh observed, “When the army uses this tank, who is to say what they think about it. God knows, they may just fall in love with it and decide that the entire production line should be Arjuns only. Who knows?”
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The T-90S
The Arjun
2,250 crore India rupees is roughly equal to 500 million USD.
The real reason for cancelling the trials is that if, in head-to-head trials, the Arjun proved to be the better tank, there was no way the project could be buried with an order of only 124 tanks. Instead, the army’s entire tank procurement programme would need to be reworked;
***I see that ridiculous decisions are not the sole property of the US armed services. Some tinhorn bureaucrats don’t want a superior, domestic weapons program because they would have too much paperwork.
The Indian army does have some valid reasons to be hesitant about the Arjun other than an unwillingness to change & the all pervasive influence of the pro-Russian lobby.
1.The Arjun has a 4 man crew compared to the3 on the existing T-72 & 90 tanks.That means changing your manning & training procedures on a pretty large scale.
2.They use different engines-so difficult maintainance.
3.The Arjun uses a 120 mm rifled bore gun-the Russian tanks use a 125 mm smooth bore gun.So two different sets of ammo.
4.The Arjun is too big to be transported on the Army existing rail cars,which were developed for the Russian tanks or be carried on the IL-76 aircraft.So it would have difficulty deploying unless the army comes up with something different.
And look at the sides of the turret! Straight up-and-down, instead of sharply sloped like most other tanks. I’d guess it’s vulnerable to armour-piercing rounds. although I know nothing about the Arjun’s design.
Looks like India is outsourcing it’s tank production.(:-)
The Arjun started off with German assistance-some refer to it as the Leopard-I(I for India).
It looks like it.
I had thought that the Arjun had been canceled. I was surprised that they were still planning to buy a couple of hundred of them.
Is there any chance we would be getting this tanks. If this is actually superior to the T-90 then the only way for this tank to go is to be part of the Indian Army inventory (for many good reasons).
What do you think are the chances for this tank?
Is there any chance we would be getting this tanks. If this is actually superior to the T-90 then the only way for this tank to go is to be part of the Indian Army inventory (for many good reasons).
What do you think are the chances for this tank?
Is the T90) an evolution upgrade for the T80?
IIRC a Bushmaster 25mm shell will take out a T80 most every time.....
Vladimir Putin is deeply saddened
Nope-it’s very unlikely that the Arjun will be cancelled.Too much money has been invested & any government which tries to pull the plug will land in hot water.What will probably happen is that the government & army will go down the middle path-order a few more batches of Arjun tanks in addition to the existing order for 124.This looks possible as the Indian defence minister declared in Parliament a week or so ago that French & German experts were helping in correcting defects in it & more upgrades come along.It’s likely that ‘Hi-Lo’ strategy will be evolved for having a small number of Arjun tanks (less than a 1000) along with a larger number of T-72/90 tanks.
Nope,the T-90 is a beefed up T-72 with better protection,electronics & weaponry.The T-80 was too expensive to produce in mass numbers due to it’s gas turbine propulsion.
About the Bushmaster,well when did it take out a T-80??The tank has hardly seen any combat.
The Arjun is better than the T-90 for the same reasons that Western tanks like the Abrams & Leopard-2 are better than Russian ones.You cannot cram the T-90 beyond a point.The Arjun won’t be procured in large numbers-it’s more expensive(almost twice as much as the T-90) & you would need to make massive infrastructure changes to accomodate it.Don’t think the Army is prepared for that.
Thank you - musta been T72s then, saw photos (from son) of T series tank he said had been taken out by Bushmaster/Bradley.
Was wondering if T90 was as weak on flank/rear.
Will look further on web.
Interesting trivia about the Arjun-
The original project drawn up in the 70s was for a 40 ton tank with a 105 mm gun.This was changed in the 80s to the current configuration given that the Pakis were evaluating the Abrams M1A1.Zia Ul Haq,along with the then American ambassador to Pakistan were killed in an air crash in 1988,after both witnessed an Abrams demo.
Likely to be T-72.The T-80s were not exported till after the 1st Gulf war.
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