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Posted on 09/11/2007 4:41:09 PM PDT by Keflavik76
Yes, we know it sounds hard to believe, but a man in Erie, Pennsylvania, has apparently managed to set fire to a vial of salt water with a self-built radio frequency generator. When John Kanzius tried to desalinate seawater with a device he had created to (supposedly) treat cancer, he found he could keep the water burning like a candle as long as it was exposed to the proper frequencies.
Not surprisingly, many in the scientific community initially dismissed Kanzius' claim as a hoax. However, when Rustum Roy - a professor of chemistry at Penn State University - took him up on the challenge and attempted to recreate the experiment, he was amazed to see that it actually worked. And, no, there were no tricks to it either (or electrodes, as many thought).
According to Roy, the salt water itself isn't actually burning - what happens is that the radio frequency helps weaken the bonds holding together the water's constituents, releasing the bound hydrogen which burns when exposed to the frequency's energy field. At a temperature of around 3,000°F, the flame reflects a tremendous energy output, Roy explained.
Roy, who deems the discovery "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," will now take up further research with the Departments of Energy and Defense to investigate its potential applications as a source of alternative energy. "We will get our ideas together and check this out and see where it leads. The potential is huge," he said.
Now we're talking clean energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKtKSEQBeI
I've never been called a treehugger but this looks like an amazing source of clean energy.
Cue up that guy with the headache, not this &*%# again.
The RF energy put into the device EXCEEDS the heat energy obtained. There may be electrolysis going on and he’s burning the hydrogen with the oxygen liberated. However, some theorize that he’s only creating a plasma which is giving off enough heat to run a Stirling engine.
Demo Stirling engines aimed at science classrooms will run off the hear of your hand.
Cue the “Jeez, not this —— again” pic.
"hear" = heat
The RF energy is another word for “microwaves”. When you heat food in the microwave, the RF energy generated heat by vibrating the molecules. Salt water gets exposed to RF energy every time we cook stew.
What might be interesting is if he’s found a new way to desalinate, but just off the laws of physics, he hasn’t found a new energy source.
Does it say how much energy is being applied to gain the “effect”? You can do a lot of neat things that are net losers of energy.
Then evil government dudes killed the entire scientific team leaving him on the run with a love interest. Evil corporations and evil government fighting the righteous left.
Remember? Free energy? One Love Let’s get together and feel all right.....
I get it from both sides. I’m either considered credulous when I post things about stuff like SubQuantum Kinetics & electrogravitics, or a naysayer when I make fun of someone who’s burning sodium as a cool experiment.
SubQuantum Kinetics, wide ranging unifying cosmology theory by Dr. Paul LaViolette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884938/posts
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Freeper thread where electrogravitic lifter is discussed.
“Beam Me Up Scotty” Anti-gravity: Fact or Fiction?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/816773/posts?page=59#59
Dearborn Highschool press release ^ | Russ Gibb
Water into fuel?
http://www.wkyc.com ^ | 6/1/2007 | Michael O’Mara
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1874757/posts
I wonder how much the salt had to do with this? We have millions of tons of salt here in the US.
My bad, next time I’ll do a search before posting a new article. All I want to know is, what is the frequency Kenneth?
Poor Darwin thought critters got all their genes from Mummsy and Daddy of course. Carries "sexual selection" to a whole new level.
Once you've got a good laugh on those guys come back here and give us even more links to cold fusion projects. Or, maybe give us a link to the latest in creating double-helix forms in water molecules under pressure.
but but...if you break a window that will create JOBS JOBS JOBS!
So the solution is to burn our food and boil our water for energy now? For some reason I want to survive and this isn’t helping. ;-)
Notice in the you tube video, the scale on his “RF machine” is labeled Watts, with a scale from 0 to 1200. with the lowest non zero number of 200 watts. A properly scaled laboratory instrument would nominally run at half scale - 600 watts. In other words, he is putting about 600 watts of power in, to get about a “candle power” out. With this type of efficiency, you could drive an automobile with the power of a nuclear reactor. Will work great, when every one has their own nuclear reactor.
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First, get a millions watts of power. Then blast the salt water until it catches fire. Yeah, makes sense. What do they create the wattage for the RF from? Oh, electricity?
I disagree. An internal combustion engine uses a hot flame from petroleum products to turn a very inefficient engine. These engines not only power vehicles, but all of it’s accessories like air conditioning, water pump, alternator, power steering ect. Since most RF signals are very easy to produce, I am pretty sure you could easily utilize a 1500 to 3000 degree flame to run a generator capable of producing it. I say this not as a scientist but as a pretty good gear head that has built such things as airplanes, backhoes, and several cars.
“Does it say how much energy is being applied to gain the “effect”? You can do a lot of neat things that are net losers of energy.”
Yes, like convert corn into ethanol.
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Googling John Kanzius will yield lots of information on this experiment. It looks like he is directing an RF frequency of 13.56Mhz at 200 watts of power to generate this effect. Its taking more power to generate the flame then output power that can be converted to work energy.
That’s gonna be one log-@$$ed extention cord hanging out the back of my F-250, connecting me to the BGE substation. I figure at today’s recently increased rates my weekly electric bill will be in the neighborhood of $900 to burn the salt water (hydrogen) required for my weekly commute. Better get back to the drawing board Mr. Kanzius.
Back when the SuperCollider was being built in Texas, Rustum Roy published an article in Physics Today questioning the enormous amount of money that was to be spent on this, and presumably diverted from other areas of scientific research. Leon Lederman, a Nobel Prize winner and SuperCollider backer, responded in a letter that questioned whether Rustum Roy was even a real person. Another writer then pointed out that making fun of Roy's name was a sign that the SuperCollider backers did not have a valid argument. Not too long after this the SuperCollider was defunded.
Energy in >= energy out. Now way around that. However, the device could be useful as a blow torch.
Aw no, not this sh*t again! And this story (different publication” was on here the other day.
From the top...
The energy required to excite those molecules to break those bonds so they can burn is greater than the energy that comes from the burning of the gasses.
Then, there is the problem of embrittlement of the metals in the engine.
Shall we go on?
(banging head)
Oh, not again... jeez.
aruanan, what part of this science don’t you get?
Nothing in this story makes sense. Nothing passes the smell test.
Ohhhhhh, don't get me started on that boondogle.
A gallon of gasoline contains about 60 kilowatt-hours of energy. If this "water burning" device is using 600 watts of RF enefgy, then it is consuming about 670 watts (at 90% efficiency).
A small plasma ball lamp like this 
uses about 12 watts of electrical energy. If you place your hand on the surface of the ball you will feel heat. Since the small Stirling engines used in the classroom can be made to run off the heat of your hand, the heat of this plasma ball lamp also probably should run a Stirling engine like in the video.
In comparison, a common laser pointer produces energy of .001-.005 watts.
Chemical Oxygen Iodine Laser (COIL) used in the Airborne Laser (for shooting down ICBMs is in the megawatt (1,000,000 watt) class.
Both are lasers, but the similarity ends there. Just because this guy's aparatus produce heat, light and turns a small engine does not put it in same power output class or efficiency (albeit limited efficiency) class of an auto engine.
When you recombine hydrogen with oxygen it returns to water, the exact same amount you started with before you split it. Nothing is consumed other than the energy first used to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen in the first place. The water/hydrogen oxygen cycle is just a means to transport the original energy used to start the cycle. It still isn’t the source of the energy.
Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 ^ | May 2003 | Brad Lemley
Posted on 04/21/2003 7:57:41 AM CDT by honway
In an industrial park in Philadelphia sits a new machine that can change almost anything into oil.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/897232/posts
So I’m sitting here, reading this post, thinking “Aw, geez, not THIS crap again,” when I smell something, as though something is burning in my house. I go into the kitchen and discover that the dishwasher is on the “dry” cycle, so I open it and immediately I find that a wooden spoon has fallen onto the heating element and now has a big char mark on it...
Maybe I can get a government grant to research using wooden spoons as an alternative energy source!
There is no question that the good professor, Rustum Roy has indeed proven the concept of Free Energy.
Let me see if I have this straight. John Kanzius invents this contraption that does something and Roy declairs that Kanzius may be on to something. Kanzius gets nothing and Roy gets big fat grants and contracts form DOE and NASA.
That sounds like something for nothing to me. Amazing! How much energy is in a half million dollar government grant?
Let me see if I have this straight. John Kanzius invents this contraption that does something and Roy declares that Kanzius may be on to something. Kanzius gets nothing and Roy gets big fat grants and contracts form DOE and NASA.
That sounds like something for nothing to me. Amazing! How much energy is in a half million dollar government grant?
A big not this sh!t again bump
Oh and btw for the third time this is nothing except a variation on perpeutal motion of the first type
I'm curious. Tell me in your own words what the first law of thermodynamics means to you.
Is that your best shot - a typo? You militantantly ignorant types are SO BORING.
Sorry, aruanan, but just because it doesn’t contradict any known physical law doesn’t mean that it can be employed for any practical benefit. You need to consider the energy required to excite the vial of salt water.
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