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Clinton Sees Fear Realized in Trouble With Donor
NY Times ^ | September 12, 2007 | PATRICK HEALY

Posted on 09/11/2007 9:29:43 PM PDT by neverdem

Of all the possible vulnerabilities facing Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign, Mrs. Clinton has long believed that the one of the biggest was money, friends and advisers say. Some sort of fund-raising scandal that would echo the Clinton-era controversies of the 1990s and make her appear greedy or ethically challenged.

As a result, Mrs. Clinton told aides this year to vet major donors carefully and help her avoid situations in which she might appear to be trading access for big money, advisers said. Also to be avoided, the senator said, were fund-raising tactics that might conjure up the Clinton White House coffees and the ties to relatively unknown donors offering large sums, like the Asian businessmen who sent checks to the Democratic National Committee.

Yet nine months into her campaign, Mrs. Clinton is grappling with exactly the situation she feared — giving up nearly $900,000 that had been donated or raised by Norman Hsu, a one-time fugitive and one of her top fund-raisers, whose actions raise serious questions about how well the campaign vetted its donors. As a result, Mrs. Clinton now finds herself linked to a convicted criminal who brought in tens of thousands of dollars from potentially tainted sources.

The Hsu case has revived ugly memories for voters about the Democratic fund-raising scandals when Bill Clinton was president, the senator’s campaign advisers acknowledge, a time...

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The campaign is refunding $850,000 to these donors, viewing the money as tainted. Yet the campaign is also risking another public relations mess by saying that it would take back the money if it clearly came from the donor’s bank account, not from Mr. Hsu or another source. The risk is that Mrs. Clinton will appear to want more cash no matter whether it was once colored by a disgraced donor...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2008; clinton; clinton2008; clintonlegacy; cultureofcorruption; democrats; democratscandals; edwards2008; finances; fundraising; hillary; hillaryrodhamclinton; hillaryscandals; illegalcontributions; inoculation; normanhsu; obama2008; smartestwoman
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It's placed on the front page again with minor story status. It also mentions similar woes for Edwards and Obama.
1 posted on 09/11/2007 9:29:52 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The risk is that Mrs. Clinton will appear to want more cash no matter whether it was once colored by a disgraced donor

No. Gee. Ya think...? ;)

2 posted on 09/11/2007 9:32:36 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: neverdem

Pump this story. Pump it every day, put it up on the big screen in Times Square, it’s still squat all.

It won’t stick in the minds of voters and in fact, the more her opponents harp on it, it will just come across as vindictive, not matter how honestly justified it is.


3 posted on 09/11/2007 9:34:43 PM PDT by Sax
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To: Sax

She may not release the names to the public, but the FBI will get the names.


4 posted on 09/11/2007 9:36:46 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
make her appear greedy or ethically challenged.

APPEAR???

5 posted on 09/11/2007 9:38:34 PM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: neverdem

Right, a complete lie coming from her camp. She just wanted $$$$’s...felt she could skate like in the 90’s...on illegal campaign contributions...nothing new here...just typical criminal activity with the clintoons’... CROOKS...


6 posted on 09/11/2007 9:39:03 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: tennmountainman
She may not release the names to the public, but the FBI will get the names.

Aren't the names of donors of more than $50 a matter of public record?

7 posted on 09/11/2007 9:39:04 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: Sax

Exactly!!!

No one really cares about this because all politicians are viewed with suspect. If you’re a Clinton, you are especially sheltered from repercussion because as a Clinton, “you are special”.


8 posted on 09/11/2007 9:39:28 PM PDT by no dems (In the General Election; we must not let America forget that Fidel Castro endorsed Clinton/Obama)
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To: neverdem

“make her appear greedy or ethically challenged”

Yeah, right.

Why would anyone think that?


9 posted on 09/11/2007 9:39:28 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: neverdem
"The campaign is refunding $850,000 to these donors"

I'll believe it when I see the both sides of the cancelled checks

10 posted on 09/11/2007 9:40:43 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: neverdem

Poor misunderstood Hillary.


11 posted on 09/11/2007 9:40:57 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (California : home of the fruits, nuts and flakes.)
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To: neverdem

This “article” is yet another “In kind” donation by the owners and managers of the New York Times to benefit partisan political organizations and members of the Democrat Party.


12 posted on 09/11/2007 9:41:12 PM PDT by DGHoodini
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To: neverdem
Mrs. Clinton told aides this year to vet major donors carefully and help her avoid
situations in which she might appear to be trading access for big money,

Don't let us get caught?

13 posted on 09/11/2007 9:42:11 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: tennmountainman
She may not release the names to the public, but the FBI will get the names.

IT WON'T MATTER. IT SHOULD, BUT IT WON'T.

14 posted on 09/11/2007 9:44:31 PM PDT by Sax
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To: goodnesswins

She knows the fall-out. Al Gore will be the benefactor. She’s not giving the money back to Hsu that’s for sure.


15 posted on 09/11/2007 9:44:42 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: MaxMax

I just heard her campaign was warned about Hsu during the summer from Cali dems...

it was blown off...

The article is pure BS...


16 posted on 09/11/2007 9:44:45 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....)
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To: neverdem

More framing Clinton as a “victim” BS.


17 posted on 09/11/2007 9:49:18 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: Sax

Hillary will not be president. But, the alternatives don’t look to hot either.


18 posted on 09/11/2007 9:49:53 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: neverdem

This is a transparent attempt by the New York Slimes to minimize the impact, by presenting Hillary as the victim of a nasty little Chinese crook....

Hillary and Bill can NEVER rid themselves of Chinese money from inappropriate sources for inappropriate reasons.
It has been the SOP since Arkansas days.

Bill has already sold the Chinese our ICBM targeting technology...
One has to wonder what Hillary is prepared to give them in her quest for personal power...

These folks are evil....plain and simply evil.


19 posted on 09/11/2007 9:50:42 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: neverdem; Crim

So we should elect as leader and Commander in Chief a person (a) who cannot communicate effectively with her aides and subordinates, (b) who does not manage or supervise well enough to see her directives are carried out, and (c) who does not hold accountable those who SNAFU’ed up by not following clear and vitally important directions?

Is Craig Livingstone still alive? Can he take the fall for this latest SNAFU?


20 posted on 09/11/2007 9:52:33 PM PDT by bajabaja
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To: doug from upland

(( ping ))


21 posted on 09/11/2007 9:53:48 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: neverdem
["Also to be avoided, the senator said, were fund-raising tactics that might conjure up the Clinton White House coffees and the ties to relatively unknown donors offering large sums, like the Asian businessmen who sent checks to the Democratic National Committee.">

And who were photographed with Mrs. Clinton on a number of occasions, after donating almost $1,000,000. OK.

22 posted on 09/11/2007 9:55:07 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: tennmountainman
She may not release the names to the public, but the FBI will get the names.

The FBI already has the names. This is a big problem for she who would be Queen.

23 posted on 09/11/2007 9:57:46 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: neverdem

Is the NYT behind Obama?

They’ve sure been hitting the Hsu stories hard and often.


24 posted on 09/11/2007 10:00:13 PM PDT by umgud
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To: neverdem
It's placed on the front page again with minor story status. It also mentions similar woes for Edwards and Obama.

Interesting, coming from the NY Times. If the FBI uses waterboarding to extract information from Hsu, co-conspirators and participants, would the Times deride the method. /sarcasm

25 posted on 09/11/2007 10:04:54 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: All
Yet the [Hillary] campaign is also risking another public relations mess by saying that it would take back the money if it clearly came from the donor’s bank account, not from Mr. Hsu or another source.

Given his business failures and such Mr. Hsu's source of such large sums to be passed on to Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) candidates have raised questions about the source of his funds.

The nytimes employees have endeavored mightily to find the other source. They telephoned some acquaintances of Mr. Hsu but alas none returned the nytimes employees' calls. What's a body to do? They did their best. They are professionals.

26 posted on 09/11/2007 10:05:03 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Sarcastically well stated. BTTT!


27 posted on 09/11/2007 10:08:04 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: river rat
This is a transparent attempt by the New York Slimes to minimize the impact, by presenting Hillary as the victim of a nasty little Chinese crook....

I read it that way, too.

28 posted on 09/11/2007 10:08:16 PM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: neverdem

The Crookton’s!


29 posted on 09/11/2007 10:12:25 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (All my bullets are dipped in PIG fat. How about yours?)
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To: neverdem

At least it’s on the Front Page. When the NY Times wants to bury a story, it is on page A34.

They know what she could do to the DNC if she loses the election (or is hounded by corruption scandals after taking office).

The prize isn’t about a single election, it is about continued viability (as well as incremental socialist goals like socialized medicine for all; things that are difficult to dismantle).


30 posted on 09/11/2007 10:13:57 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: goodnesswins

They’ve written a check and are letting persons from John Kerry’s office complete the handover. It should arrive sometime around 2014.


31 posted on 09/11/2007 10:18:04 PM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: bajabaja

the Perfect Point.

The answer is that she is a fraud and simply a candidate of the PC crowd and economic deadbeats.

She is incapable but will promise to steal from the productive and give to the unproductive. The Communist version of Robin Hood.


32 posted on 09/11/2007 10:19:17 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: river rat
...ugly memories for voters about the Democratic fund-raising scandals when Bill Clinton was president, the senator’s campaign advisers acknowledge, a time...when Johhny Huang/Lippo, Ted Sioeng, GOOD 'OL BOY Charlie Yah Lin Trie, Johhnu Chung, The Riadys, Ching Hai, and THE PEOPLES LIBERATION ARMY dirty money distributor(s) Liu Chao Ying AND THE GORE NUNS. 
 
 

33 posted on 09/11/2007 10:19:55 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: neverdem

If Hsu is alive 90 days from now, I’ll be amazed. That’s all I’m saying.

Hillary, after Vince Foster, you’ve got a lot more to be worried about that mere Chinese campaign donations.

One day your gig is up on that one. I still think Foster will one day be the reason you’ll be incarcerated at Levenworth, Kansas. Gain comfort that Bubba will be right beside you.


34 posted on 09/11/2007 10:20:19 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Wolverine

...three times I’m a democrat. Gotta love that one.


35 posted on 09/11/2007 10:21:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: JennysCool

How about her extensive list of room temperature associates?


36 posted on 09/11/2007 10:22:56 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: weegee

“They know what she could do to the DNC if she loses the election ..”

This is an important point.

Her Thighness is nothing if not VINDICTIVE!!!!

Mess with me and you are dead!!!

If she loses, the DNC will get thoroughly trashed, via talking heads, via leaked FBI files, via “found” records of prostitutes, via “found” pay-off checks and on and on and on.

Her Thighness is simply Al Capone writ large (ass).


37 posted on 09/11/2007 10:34:53 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
Clinton's Campaign To Return $850,000 (FP of the WP) WaPo front page

Clinton to Return Money Linked to Fund-Raiser

9/11 FUND HAS NO CLASS: KIN STIFFED BY $125M SCHOLARSHIP CHARITY (Bill Clinton helped promote)

Traveling Man - Kris Hudson reports on the ever strange case of Norman Hsu.

When Hsu was helped to the bathroom, Segale says she saw “lots and lots of medication in that room. I could see pills on the floor and rolling around.”

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

38 posted on 09/11/2007 10:43:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem; doug from upland

Has anyone else noticed that the Clintonista arithmetic is off on these stories?? They keep reporting that $850,000 in donations are being returned to 260 donors. That would be approx. $3,270 per donor, which is well above the maximum per donor for the primary campaign, is it not????

Unless some of the donors contributed over multiple years?? I don’t know what all the rules are, but something seems fishy with those numbers. Also, not everyone gives the maximum of $2,300 or whatever it is, surely..... I wonder if all their numbers will add to something proper and legal.


39 posted on 09/11/2007 10:57:28 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: neverdem

Yeah, they vetted real carefully.


40 posted on 09/11/2007 10:58:19 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: neverdem

Wow, Mr. Patrick Healy, you really did a tough, probing investigative story here.... /s

This article accomplishes just about exactly what a DNC press release or a Shrillery campaign PR would want to accomplish on this story. The NY Slimes really knows how to pursue a tough, no-holds-barred investigation. /s


41 posted on 09/11/2007 11:02:52 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Enchante; doug from upland; Congressman Billybob
Also, not everyone gives the maximum of $2,300 or whatever it is, surely..... I wonder if all their numbers will add to something proper and legal.

IIRC, you may be able to donate $2,300 for the primary and $2,300 for the general election each year. I hope someone can confirm that.

42 posted on 09/11/2007 11:12:39 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Enchante
This article accomplishes just about exactly what a DNC press release or a Shrillery campaign PR would want to accomplish on this story. The NY Slimes really knows how to pursue a tough, no-holds-barred investigation. /s

Be happy with what you get. It's better than nothing. Frontpage coverage is keeping this story alive. I'm seeing it on NBC and PBS's NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.

43 posted on 09/11/2007 11:18:18 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Hsu will have a sudden and mysterious illness any day now.


44 posted on 09/12/2007 12:28:57 AM PDT by kenth
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To: All

Notice the accuracy in reporting...

“...donated or raised by Norman Hsu, a one-time fugitive and one of her top fund-raisers,...”

I believe the term should be ‘current fugitive’, which was his status when he donated....
But we can’t expect accuracy can we?


45 posted on 09/12/2007 1:33:44 AM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: neverdem

RESIGN NOW, HILLARY...


46 posted on 09/12/2007 2:50:25 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: kenth

I thought he was already hospitalized.


47 posted on 09/12/2007 4:41:43 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: neverdem

Hey, what’s the big deal being concerned about vetting donors? We’re electing the person who’s going to manage the war against Islamofascist terrorists, and corruption in government, and setting national policies like reforming social security and No Child Left Behind and the like. Those are difficult issues — but nearly as tough as running a campain for president and raising all that illegal money. So let’s not judge her by this.


48 posted on 09/12/2007 4:48:05 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("You ask, 'What is our aim?' I can answer in one word: VICTORY - victory - at all costs...")
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To: neverdem
As a result, Mrs. Clinton told aides this year to vet major donors carefully and help her avoid situations in which she might appear to be trading access for big money

In other news, a beautiful bridge is for sale in Brooklyn...

49 posted on 09/12/2007 4:48:16 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Sax

I’ve often said that Bill Clinton could shotgun murder a gaggle of praying nuns on the White House lawn at noon in front of a hundred TV cameras while he was high on cocaine and tequila, and it would never be reported. Or it would be blamed on the nuns. Apparently the media has the same high standard for Hillary.


50 posted on 09/12/2007 5:03:58 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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