Posted on 09/16/2007 3:37:28 AM PDT by jmeagan
John Jolly is searching for something meaningful in American politics, and he thinks he's found it in Ron Paul.
Wearing a "Ron Paul for President" T-shirt, Jolly joined more than 200 other enthusiastic listeners Friday to hear Paul speak at Seattle University in his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.
"This is kind of my first foray into politics," Jolly, 23, said, his red hair cut short, his sideburns trimmed into large muttonchops. "I'm looking for something different."
A 10-term congressman from East Texas who ran as the Libertarian candidate for president in 1988, Paul, 72, stands in sharp contrast to other presidential contenders, Republican or Democratic, and holds views that appeal to both the right and the left.
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While I am not overly excited by Paul’s campaign , I agree with much of what he stands for . That said , assuming Hilary will be the Dims candidate , I really don’t think he is the man who can defeat her and the Clinton machine .
He’ll be in good company with the moonbats there.
Actually, I think Paul is the only republican that can beat Hillary. None of the current top contenders will be able to hold the religious right base, and they can not pull from Clinton’s base.
Paul will lose some of the pro-war base, but will more than make up for that by pulling from the Demo anti-war base and also pull a lot of the labor vote from the Demos.
That would be Ru paul’s natural turf.
Fred can’t win. First, his conservative credentials are not good enough to excite that part of the base and he will not excite the Religious Right. Its deja vu Dole all over again.
Add to that Paul is a complete fraud. A guy who spews nice sounding rhetoric while rabidly defending his $400 million in Earmarks plus defends earmarks as “a necessary tool of Congress.”
Paul is the candidate to no where.
” Fred can’t win ...” “ Paul can’t win ...” Unless the Hilary campaign implodes or explodes I don’t see any Pub now running that can beat her . I know we’ve got a year to go but that is the way it looks to me at least . Sad to say but ...
I admit I was/am against the war in Iraq, but that is not my only reason for supporting Ron Paul. BTW, When General P. was asked in the hearings if our war in Iraq was making us safer in the US, his answer was, “I don’t know.”
Another major reason for a working man to support RP is his plan to pay for the federal budget with a “uniform, but not a protective tariff.” That would bring millions of jobs back to the US. I was just reading a story earlier today about hard wood lumber mills being in trouble because the furniture makers have been shifting production over seas. A person’s standard of living is determined not only by the cost of the things he buys, but also by the wages he makes. The out sourcing of jobs, because of free trade, has lowered the wages of people more than the savings they get from cheap imports.
Also as a former teacher, his idea to get rid of the department of Education is great. The educrats have destroyed public education in this country. E.g. I live in a county that supposedly has “good” public schools. However, years ago, when I pointed out to the school board and the local superintendent that over 60% of the students were below grade level, all they wanted to do was sweep the facts under the rug. Educrats try to justify their jobs by making changes in the way we education the students and the vast majority of their changes make things worse.
Given his utterly absurd world view, that is a GOOD thing. He not only has demonstrated himself complete unfit for the Presidency with his absurd Neo Isolationists world view, he has demonstrated himself completely unfit for the office he now holds.
Like it or not, the USA Economy is unbreakable intertwined with the world. Advocating a 1930s style Isolationist policy is as childish and absurd in 2007 as it was in 1940.
Wanting to run away, hide under your bed, and wish the bad men away is no defense against the Islamo-Facists. As they showed on 09-11-01, they will come under the bed after you.
The bulk of Pauls support is Anti War lunatics who think they can use Paul as a Trojan Horse to split the Conservative base.
I'd love to hear your support on this one. Oh, and the plural of anecdote is not data so don't try to go that route.
He has ZERO chance of either wining the nomination or getting elected President.
Well if the convention or general election were held today you are right. Are they?
He not only has demonstrated himself complete unfit for the Presidency with his absurd Neo Isolationists world view
Is anything other than having our troops in 130 different countries (some of which for over 50 years) an isolationist world view? Is anything other than subsidizing the defense of the entire Western world an isolationist world view? I think you confuse a genuine non-interventionalist with an isolationist.
Like it or not, the USA Economy is unbreakable intertwined with the world.
And nowhere has he said that he wants to stop trading with the rest of the world. You, FRiend, have made that up yourself. Ron Paul wants to pull out of agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA and set up a Hong Kong style of free trade where there aren't little regulating bodies on everything. Instead you simply allow free trade, without catches or protectionist laws.
Sadly a handful of conservatives with a libertarian leaning have been led astray by the man they consider to be the Great and Powerful Wizard of Paul. They are being duped by MoveOn.org which really wants Paul to eat away at the Republican numbers so that Hillary can still win with a less than 50% vote.
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Paul/Sheehan '08?
I don’t think Paul has a chance of getting the GOP nomination but I do think he’ll be in it to the bitter end. He’ll get the vote of those opposed to the leading candidate at the end and may have a few delegates come convention time. Think Alan Keyes of 2000 that is how I see Paul finishing. Keyes did give Paul and the others a step up in the polling stats this week with his entry into the race.
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I don’t understand. If he can’t win then why in HELL is everybody so furiously bad-mouthing him? He is on record that he won’t run on a third-party ticket so he can’t pull a Perot on us. I know, we’re so used to politicians lying to us that we automatically think he’s lying too, but what if he isn’t? What if he’s just what he says he is? What if he were to be elected and managed even one tenth of what he wants? Isn’t that what we want too?
On the other hand, we could run Fred McRomniani against Hillary. We know what to expect from the “first tier” candidates, more of the same ol’ same ol’. Even if we do elect Fred or Rudy we know from past performance that they’ll do whatever it takes to keep the Pubbies in office regardless of whatever they might have said during the campaign.
I’ve voted the party line for over fifty years. No more! This time I’m voting for the man I feel is best for America. I may not agree with him on everything but I disagree with the others a whole lot more.
Given his utterly absurd world view, that is a GOOD thing. He not only has demonstrated himself complete unfit for the *****Presidency with his absurd Neo Isolationists world view, he has demonstrated himself completely unfit for the office he now holds.*****
Newt G. has given the republican odds of winning next year at 1-4. Hillary will hold the demo base and the rest of the country is against the war 70-30. RP would have more trouble winning the republican nomination than he would have beating Hillary.
***Like it or not, the USA Economy is unbreakable intertwined with the world. Advocating a 1930s style Isolationist policy is as childish and absurd in 2007 as it was in 1940.****
I have been arguing against “free trade” on the internet for many years now. Yes, I know it is a lonely position, but I think it is the correct one. Did you know that most of the statistical studies done on trade have shown that the most protectionist countries grew the fastest? Free trade theories, and they are only theories, only work in an ideal economic world of essentially full employment. I suggest you start by reading Pat B. book, “Betrayal.”
****Wanting to run away, hide under your bed, and wish the bad men away is no defense against the Islamo-Facists. As they showed on 09-11-01, they will come under the bed after you.*****
If you keep sticking your nose in other people’s business, they will eventually come after you. If they can confront you directly, because you are too strong, they will do a sneak attack. Our entry into WW I shifted the war and brought victory to the English and French. Likewise WW II. We beat the Japanese basically by ourselves. We also like to think that we won the war in Europe, but we have to remember that the war on the eastern front in Europe had tied up 3/4 of Germany’s armed forces. Because we were so instrumental in the major wars of the 20th century, we became a bit too full of ourselves. Then we had the no win war in Korea, followed by the no win war in Nam. We won the cold war not by military might, but by economic might. Reagan made our military so strong that the USSR saw that it was useless for them to try to compete on our level with their failed economic system.
There is nothing wrong about peace through strength. We bring our military home and make it the strongest in the world. We don’t set it out all over the world as trip wires to get us into a lot of regional or major conflicts. Gadafi(sp) was exporting terrorism. We didn’t invade his country, we sent in a surgical air strike to take him out. Although we missed, he stopped exporting terrorism.
Staying aloof from regional conflicts does not endanger our national security. Sending in troops and taking sides does. E.g. what real difference does it make to us whether Taiwan is part of China or a separate country? Do we really want to get in a war with China over a small island nation? Japan, China’s enemy for years, has a much bigger stake in the situation than we do, let them fight it our.
While I have liked Keyes in the past, he has been below the radar for a long time. I don’t think his entry will make any difference at all.
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