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Ron Paul brings presidential campaign to Seattle
SEATTLEPI.COM ^ | September 14, 2007 | GREGORY ROBERTS

Posted on 09/16/2007 3:37:28 AM PDT by jmeagan

John Jolly is searching for something meaningful in American politics, and he thinks he's found it in Ron Paul.

Wearing a "Ron Paul for President" T-shirt, Jolly joined more than 200 other enthusiastic listeners Friday to hear Paul speak at Seattle University in his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination.

"This is kind of my first foray into politics," Jolly, 23, said, his red hair cut short, his sideburns trimmed into large muttonchops. "I'm looking for something different."

A 10-term congressman from East Texas who ran as the Libertarian candidate for president in 1988, Paul, 72, stands in sharp contrast to other presidential contenders, Republican or Democratic, and holds views that appeal to both the right and the left.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: election; paul; wa2008
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1 posted on 09/16/2007 3:37:29 AM PDT by jmeagan
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While I am not overly excited by Paul’s campaign , I agree with much of what he stands for . That said , assuming Hilary will be the Dims candidate , I really don’t think he is the man who can defeat her and the Clinton machine .


2 posted on 09/16/2007 3:47:22 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: sushiman
The only way TehRon can defeat Clinton is through a third party candidacy. He could strip away enough antiwar dim votes from her and help Fred win the presidency.
3 posted on 09/16/2007 3:56:09 AM PDT by End Times Crusader (TehRon Paul - domestic enemy of America)
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To: jmeagan

He’ll be in good company with the moonbats there.


4 posted on 09/16/2007 4:00:15 AM PDT by zipper
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To: sushiman
*****While I am not overly excited by Paul’s campaign , I agree with much of what he stands for . That said , assuming Hilary will be the Dims candidate , I really don’t think he is the man who can defeat her and the Clinton machine .******

Actually, I think Paul is the only republican that can beat Hillary. None of the current top contenders will be able to hold the religious right base, and they can not pull from Clinton’s base.

Paul will lose some of the pro-war base, but will more than make up for that by pulling from the Demo anti-war base and also pull a lot of the labor vote from the Demos.

5 posted on 09/16/2007 4:15:32 AM PDT by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country--Ron Paul)
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To: jmeagan

That would be Ru paul’s natural turf.


6 posted on 09/16/2007 4:17:28 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Union work: comparable value for twice the price.)
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To: End Times Crusader
****The only way TehRon can defeat Clinton is through a third party candidacy. He could strip away enough antiwar dim votes from her and help Fred win the presidency.****

Fred can’t win. First, his conservative credentials are not good enough to excite that part of the base and he will not excite the Religious Right. Its deja vu Dole all over again.

7 posted on 09/16/2007 4:23:42 AM PDT by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country--Ron Paul)
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Paul cannot win anything. Glad you are all excited about his shameless pandering to your emotional hot buttons but the simple fact is Paul cannot poll over 1% in any serious polls. The bulk of Pauls support is Anti War lunatics who think they can use Paul as a Trojan Horse to split the Conservative base. They would never, under any circumstance, vote for him in a general election.

Add to that Paul is a complete fraud. A guy who spews nice sounding rhetoric while rabidly defending his $400 million in Earmarks plus defends earmarks as “a necessary tool of Congress.”

Paul is the candidate to no where.

8 posted on 09/16/2007 4:43:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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” Fred can’t win ...” “ Paul can’t win ...” Unless the Hilary campaign implodes or explodes I don’t see any Pub now running that can beat her . I know we’ve got a year to go but that is the way it looks to me at least . Sad to say but ...


9 posted on 09/16/2007 4:58:39 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: MNJohnnie
****Paul cannot win anything. Glad you are all excited about his shameless pandering to your emotional hot buttons but the simple fact is Paul cannot poll over 1% in any serious polls. The bulk of Pauls support is Anti War lunatics who think they can use Paul as a Trojan Horse to split the Conservative base. They would never, under any circumstance, vote for him in a general election.*****

I admit I was/am against the war in Iraq, but that is not my only reason for supporting Ron Paul. BTW, When General P. was asked in the hearings if our war in Iraq was making us safer in the US, his answer was, “I don’t know.”

Another major reason for a working man to support RP is his plan to pay for the federal budget with a “uniform, but not a protective tariff.” That would bring millions of jobs back to the US. I was just reading a story earlier today about hard wood lumber mills being in trouble because the furniture makers have been shifting production over seas. A person’s standard of living is determined not only by the cost of the things he buys, but also by the wages he makes. The out sourcing of jobs, because of free trade, has lowered the wages of people more than the savings they get from cheap imports.

Also as a former teacher, his idea to get rid of the department of Education is great. The educrats have destroyed public education in this country. E.g. I live in a county that supposedly has “good” public schools. However, years ago, when I pointed out to the school board and the local superintendent that over 60% of the students were below grade level, all they wanted to do was sweep the facts under the rug. Educrats try to justify their jobs by making changes in the way we education the students and the vast majority of their changes make things worse.

10 posted on 09/16/2007 5:26:11 AM PDT by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country--Ron Paul)
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Look REALLY happy you have such strong feelings but you simply HAVE to face reality here. Paul is a no where Candidate. He has ZERO chance of either wining the nomination or getting elected President.

Given his utterly absurd world view, that is a GOOD thing. He not only has demonstrated himself complete unfit for the Presidency with his absurd Neo Isolationists world view, he has demonstrated himself completely unfit for the office he now holds.

Like it or not, the USA Economy is unbreakable intertwined with the world. Advocating a 1930s style Isolationist policy is as childish and absurd in 2007 as it was in 1940.

Wanting to run away, hide under your bed, and wish the bad men away is no defense against the Islamo-Facists. As they showed on 09-11-01, they will come under the bed after you.

11 posted on 09/16/2007 5:34:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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Wanting to run away, hide under your bed, and wish the bad men away is no defense against the Islamo-Facists.

So when he voted for the invasion of Afghanistan, that was "running away" in your book?
12 posted on 09/16/2007 6:36:27 AM PDT by publiusF27
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To: MNJohnnie
Like most rabid anti-Paulites you make a lot of baseless claims.

The bulk of Pauls support is Anti War lunatics who think they can use Paul as a Trojan Horse to split the Conservative base.

I'd love to hear your support on this one. Oh, and the plural of anecdote is not data so don't try to go that route.

He has ZERO chance of either wining the nomination or getting elected President.

Well if the convention or general election were held today you are right. Are they?

He not only has demonstrated himself complete unfit for the Presidency with his absurd Neo Isolationists world view

Is anything other than having our troops in 130 different countries (some of which for over 50 years) an isolationist world view? Is anything other than subsidizing the defense of the entire Western world an isolationist world view? I think you confuse a genuine non-interventionalist with an isolationist.

Like it or not, the USA Economy is unbreakable intertwined with the world.

And nowhere has he said that he wants to stop trading with the rest of the world. You, FRiend, have made that up yourself. Ron Paul wants to pull out of agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA and set up a Hong Kong style of free trade where there aren't little regulating bodies on everything. Instead you simply allow free trade, without catches or protectionist laws.

13 posted on 09/16/2007 6:37:39 AM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: MNJohnnie

Sadly a handful of conservatives with a libertarian leaning have been led astray by the man they consider to be the Great and Powerful Wizard of Paul. They are being duped by MoveOn.org which really wants Paul to eat away at the Republican numbers so that Hillary can still win with a less than 50% vote.


14 posted on 09/16/2007 3:43:42 PM PDT by Martins kid
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To: jmeagan
Paul/Kucinich '08

or

Paul/Sheehan '08?

15 posted on 09/16/2007 3:52:15 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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I don’t think Paul has a chance of getting the GOP nomination but I do think he’ll be in it to the bitter end. He’ll get the vote of those opposed to the leading candidate at the end and may have a few delegates come convention time. Think Alan Keyes of 2000 that is how I see Paul finishing. Keyes did give Paul and the others a step up in the polling stats this week with his entry into the race.


16 posted on 09/16/2007 4:01:01 PM PDT by deport (>>>--Keep your powder dry--<<< [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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bttt


17 posted on 09/16/2007 4:19:41 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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I don’t understand. If he can’t win then why in HELL is everybody so furiously bad-mouthing him? He is on record that he won’t run on a third-party ticket so he can’t pull a Perot on us. I know, we’re so used to politicians lying to us that we automatically think he’s lying too, but what if he isn’t? What if he’s just what he says he is? What if he were to be elected and managed even one tenth of what he wants? Isn’t that what we want too?
On the other hand, we could run Fred McRomniani against Hillary. We know what to expect from the “first tier” candidates, more of the same ol’ same ol’. Even if we do elect Fred or Rudy we know from past performance that they’ll do whatever it takes to keep the Pubbies in office regardless of whatever they might have said during the campaign.
I’ve voted the party line for over fifty years. No more! This time I’m voting for the man I feel is best for America. I may not agree with him on everything but I disagree with the others a whole lot more.


18 posted on 09/16/2007 4:24:45 PM PDT by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Look REALLY happy you have such strong feelings but you simply HAVE to face reality here. Paul is a no where Candidate. He has ZERO chance of either wining the nomination or getting elected President.

Given his utterly absurd world view, that is a GOOD thing. He not only has demonstrated himself complete unfit for the *****Presidency with his absurd Neo Isolationists world view, he has demonstrated himself completely unfit for the office he now holds.*****

Newt G. has given the republican odds of winning next year at 1-4. Hillary will hold the demo base and the rest of the country is against the war 70-30. RP would have more trouble winning the republican nomination than he would have beating Hillary.

***Like it or not, the USA Economy is unbreakable intertwined with the world. Advocating a 1930s style Isolationist policy is as childish and absurd in 2007 as it was in 1940.****

I have been arguing against “free trade” on the internet for many years now. Yes, I know it is a lonely position, but I think it is the correct one. Did you know that most of the statistical studies done on trade have shown that the most protectionist countries grew the fastest? Free trade theories, and they are only theories, only work in an ideal economic world of essentially full employment. I suggest you start by reading Pat B. book, “Betrayal.”

****Wanting to run away, hide under your bed, and wish the bad men away is no defense against the Islamo-Facists. As they showed on 09-11-01, they will come under the bed after you.*****

If you keep sticking your nose in other people’s business, they will eventually come after you. If they can confront you directly, because you are too strong, they will do a sneak attack. Our entry into WW I shifted the war and brought victory to the English and French. Likewise WW II. We beat the Japanese basically by ourselves. We also like to think that we won the war in Europe, but we have to remember that the war on the eastern front in Europe had tied up 3/4 of Germany’s armed forces. Because we were so instrumental in the major wars of the 20th century, we became a bit too full of ourselves. Then we had the no win war in Korea, followed by the no win war in Nam. We won the cold war not by military might, but by economic might. Reagan made our military so strong that the USSR saw that it was useless for them to try to compete on our level with their failed economic system.

There is nothing wrong about peace through strength. We bring our military home and make it the strongest in the world. We don’t set it out all over the world as trip wires to get us into a lot of regional or major conflicts. Gadafi(sp) was exporting terrorism. We didn’t invade his country, we sent in a surgical air strike to take him out. Although we missed, he stopped exporting terrorism.

Staying aloof from regional conflicts does not endanger our national security. Sending in troops and taking sides does. E.g. what real difference does it make to us whether Taiwan is part of China or a separate country? Do we really want to get in a war with China over a small island nation? Japan, China’s enemy for years, has a much bigger stake in the situation than we do, let them fight it our.

19 posted on 09/16/2007 5:43:08 PM PDT by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country--Ron Paul)
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****I don’t think Paul has a chance of getting the GOP nomination but I do think he’ll be in it to the bitter end. He’ll get the vote of those opposed to the leading candidate at the end and may have a few delegates come convention time. Think Alan Keyes of 2000 that is how I see Paul finishing. Keyes did give Paul and the others a step up in the polling stats this week with his entry into the race.****

While I have liked Keyes in the past, he has been below the radar for a long time. I don’t think his entry will make any difference at all.

20 posted on 09/16/2007 5:55:12 PM PDT by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country--Ron Paul)
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