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'Groundbreaking' study shows 'gays' can change
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/15/07 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 09/16/2007 10:13:37 AM PDT by wagglebee

In the first longitudinal, peer-reviewed, scientific study of its kind, researchers have concluded some homosexuals can change their "orientation" through religiously mediated guidance.

Researchers Stanton L. Jones and Mark A. Yarhouse released the results Thursday of a three-year study during an address at the American Association of Christian Counselors World Conference.

Their conclusions contradict the claims of the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association, which contend such change in sexual orientation is impossible and attempting to pursue it likely will cause depression, anxiety or self-destructive behavior.

The new study concluded such changes do not cause psychological harm to the patient.

Nicholas A. Cummings, former American Psychological Association president, praised the research.

"This study has broken new ground in its adherence to objectivity and a scientific precision that can be replicated and expanded, and it opens new horizons for investigation," he said.

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1 posted on 09/16/2007 10:13:38 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 09/16/2007 10:14:06 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Nicholas A. Cummings, former American Psychological Association president, praised the research.

"This study has broken new ground in its adherence to objectivity and a scientific precision that can be replicated and expanded, and it opens new horizons for investigation," he said.

That is very encouraging news.

3 posted on 09/16/2007 10:16:26 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: wagglebee
Why would we need a "study" to tell us what is obvious, that people can change their behavior?

Engaging in homosexual acts is a type of behavior. If one doesn't engage in homosexual acts, it makes little sense to call them a "homosexual".

People who insist that homosexuals "can't change" seem to be calling homosexuals animals, who are not capable of changing their behavior.

4 posted on 09/16/2007 10:17:08 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: wagglebee

OK,gays can change.But why would you WANT to change,honey?
Seriously,it seems to me that most gays are pretty happy with their situation,incredible as it is to me that one would want to wake up in the morning staring at a pair of hairy testacles!
Even with all this pushing of the gay agenda in the schools,very few kids are going to bend over for Billy unless they were going to do it anyway.The whole thought is just too plain disgusting to contemplate.


5 posted on 09/16/2007 10:18:32 AM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: wagglebee
This, with all due respect, is meaningless.

What difference does it make how a homosexual compulsion originates? The basis for antipathy to homosexual behavior is that it is clearly and explicitly forbidden by scripture and tradition.

For that source of authority, how the behavior comes about is of no importance.

I am "oriented" towards adultery. That I do not act on my orientation is a choice, one which is usually easy but, as all men know, is not always easy.

Because God made me to desire beautiful women, and because eradicating that desire with some type of "therapy" seems Orwellian and bizarre, I suppose I just have to live with it.

Why is this different from what homosexuals must do?

6 posted on 09/16/2007 10:20:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: wagglebee

There is no need to fear the so-called homosexual agenda. Homosexuals are not a danger to us.


7 posted on 09/16/2007 10:30:14 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: wagglebee

What about RINO’s?


8 posted on 09/16/2007 10:31:42 AM PDT by 359Henrie (We need Gen. Curtis Le May, Liberals give us Gen. Wesley Clark.)
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To: Jim Noble

I’m with you. This whole thing is a waste of time.


9 posted on 09/16/2007 10:32:10 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Jim Noble

I’m just glad to see that both sides can make s—t up. It’s not fair when only one group does it.


10 posted on 09/16/2007 10:34:49 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: wagglebee

If you want your data taken seriously you shouldn’t announce it in the World Nut Daily.

Is it posted in the chemtrails section?


11 posted on 09/16/2007 10:34:57 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Attila the Hun... wasn't he a liberal?)
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To: EveningStar; TigersEye
I don’t care if someone wants to be gay...thats their choice. What I do care about is the fact they push their gay agenda into schools. Telling our children in 2nd grade and up just what a family is & that its ok to be gay etc. IMO its not ok to do that to young children. They don’t need to hear it at young ages.
12 posted on 09/16/2007 10:36:26 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: wagglebee

I World Net Daily credible now? I can’t keep up.


13 posted on 09/16/2007 10:37:11 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Seruzawa; wagglebee
If you want your data taken seriously you shouldn’t announce it in the World Nut Daily.

That's another good point. WingNutDaily and NewsHacks are questionable news sources to say the least.

14 posted on 09/16/2007 10:38:47 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: pandoraou812

People don’t choose to be gay.

I don’t have children and am unfamiliar with what is being taught.


15 posted on 09/16/2007 10:41:05 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar; napscoordinator; Seruzawa

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070913/pl_usnw/truth_wins_out_urges_skepticism_of_new__ex_gay__sham_study_released_today_by_right_wing_therapists
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070915/29318_Ex-Gay_Study:_’Conversion’_is_Possible.htm
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/BPnews.asp?ID=26429
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/controversial.study.is.change.possible.for.homosexuals/13089.htm


16 posted on 09/16/2007 10:42:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
"'Groundbreaking' study shows 'gays' can change"

Let me know when the change occurs. If it can be proven that a change, did indeed occur, perhaps we can talk.

17 posted on 09/16/2007 10:52:16 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: EveningStar

“Homosexuals are not a danger to us.”

They certainly are, when they use their sexual orientation as a basis for political change. They certainly are, when they break down the barriers of appropriate sexual behavior and encourage an “if it feels good, do it” mentality. They certainly are, when they spread serious and fatal illnesses. They certainly are, when they try to infiltrate churches, schools, and society at large with a “homosexual is fine” attitude. They certainly are when they post pornography, or behave pornographically, in public. I used to live in SF. I had to sit with my kids in bus shelters with ridiculous “ads” ten feet tall in our faces.


18 posted on 09/16/2007 10:52:35 AM PDT by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: EveningStar
Ww have a group in NJ called the Garden State Equality Group. They are behind many of the movies like Thats A Family & Its Ok To Be Gay. They are a very powerful group. IMO its just NOT the time to be telling children about these issues in grade school. Of course by middle school children are pretty smart so if they want to show them these movies then its different. I don't need anyone telling my 7 yr daughter that Billy has 2 daddy's or Mary has 2 mommies. She really doesn't need to know & anyway I should be the one telling her. So I have issues with the schools too.

I remember gays in school and nobody had to flaunt it as the teens seem to do now. I have children from 29 yrs old to 7 yrs old & it seems each year I get more amazed at what I see. I feel bad for the ones who are teased but I also wonder why all this has to be brought into the schools.

My youngest son was harassed in his senior year by a gay guy who kept commenting about how nice his rear end was. My son didn't like it at all and he shouldn't have had to be harassed. The school did nothing about it. The gay kid knew darn well my son had a steady girlfriend and is not in the least gay but he just kept it up. When he patted his rear that was it for my son. He punched him & got suspended. My point is that if these gays don't want to get hurt they need to keep their gay-ness to themselves or people like themselves and out of the schools.

19 posted on 09/16/2007 11:02:48 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Marie2

Thanks for explaining it so well. ~P~


20 posted on 09/16/2007 11:10:16 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: wagglebee

This is encouraging. If gays can change, maybe that means that Mooslims can too. Maybe they can learn to resist their orientation to slaughter innocents and brutally oppress others, especially women.


21 posted on 09/16/2007 11:16:54 AM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: wagglebee
“religiously mediated guidance” is not needed.

The Red Chinese treated it successfully with electroshock therapy for years.

22 posted on 09/16/2007 11:18:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: EveningStar
There is no need to fear the so-called homosexual agenda. Homosexuals are not a danger to us.

Inherently, no. But they are when they decide to affect our culture with theirs. When traditional families are snidely called "breeders" and the foundations our society that have endured for centuries are derided then yes, they are a danger to us. I have known and liked many gay people but it's the militant gay agenda I don't like.

23 posted on 09/16/2007 11:21:58 AM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: wagglebee

Documented proof that Jesus Saves - including from the lifestyle of sin, self-destruction, and pain that is Homosexuality.


24 posted on 09/16/2007 11:23:24 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: wagglebee
"Nicholas A. Cummings, former American Psychological Association president, praised the research." Now that he's out, he can tell the truth.
25 posted on 09/16/2007 11:25:14 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: EveningStar

“People don’t choose to be gay.

I don’t have children and am unfamiliar with what is being taught.”

That is what they are being taught.

With no facts to back it up.


26 posted on 09/16/2007 11:28:02 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Aria; Marie2; pandoraou812

The gay activists, while vocal, are a tiny minority of the gay community. Most gays mind their own business.


27 posted on 09/16/2007 11:28:21 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Riverman94610
very few kids are going to bend over for Billy unless they were going to do it anyway

Not true. Same-sex attracation is just as much a deformity as a broken leg. Sometimes a leg is broken intentionally. Sometimes messed up relationships lead to same-sex attraction.

28 posted on 09/16/2007 11:28:23 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: davisfh

Sure — and I just saw a pig fly over my house !


29 posted on 09/16/2007 11:28:59 AM PDT by dk/coro
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To: EveningStar

Sorry I can’t agree with you.

http://www.gardenstateequality.org/about.htm


30 posted on 09/16/2007 11:30:55 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: wagglebee

Of course this doesn’t pertain to Elton {I’m so Gay} John!


31 posted on 09/16/2007 11:47:31 AM PDT by ustanker (Secure the border!)
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To: EveningStar

Respectfully, you could not be more wrong.


32 posted on 09/16/2007 11:53:01 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: wagglebee

The APA’s liars; and God can change peole! Simple as that..


33 posted on 09/16/2007 11:53:14 AM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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To: wagglebee
"We found that 15 percent of our sample of about 100 claimed to actually have changed from homosexuality to heterosexuality," he said. "These people experienced significant enough change that they really felt like they had left one sexual orientation to shift into another."

That's not very earth-shaking. Some of the subjects may not be telling the truth to the investigators or themselves, but it wouldn't be surprising if some people changed in orientation from homosexual to heterosexual or vice versa. Homosexuality isn't all one thing: there are people who've been that way for as long as they can remember and people who "experiment" with it, like college girls who are "lesbians until graduation."

34 posted on 09/16/2007 11:56:05 AM PDT by x
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To: ishabibble

Most gays are not radical and keep to themselves. They couldn’t care less about gay pride parades.

As for me, I’m straight, and I don’t watch TV shows or movies where the protagonist is gay. I believe in live and let live so I don’t need tolerance shoved in my face.


35 posted on 09/16/2007 12:01:21 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Marie2
They certainly are[a danger to us], when they use their sexual orientation as a basis for political change. They certainly are, when they break down the barriers of appropriate sexual behavior and encourage an “if it feels good, do it” mentality. They certainly are, when they spread serious and fatal illnesses. They certainly are, when they try to infiltrate churches, schools, and society at large with a “homosexual is fine” attitude. They certainly are when they post pornography, or behave pornographically, in public.

Aren't these same "dangers" perpetrated by heterosexual people, too?
36 posted on 09/16/2007 12:01:55 PM PDT by FreedomFromGov
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To: EveningStar

That is fine with me. I was in the interior design world and the show horse world and there are a lot of gays in both and many were talented and enjoyable people. What goes on with consenting adults is their business, not mine.


37 posted on 09/16/2007 12:22:09 PM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: EveningStar
The gay activists, while vocal, are a tiny minority of the gay community. Most gays mind their own business.

The activists may be a tiny minority, but they are having a devastating effect. They have pushed their notions of society on this country, and the world, ever since the Stonewall Riots, and the politicians, even mindful of getting elected, go along with their dictates, be it benefits for 'domestic partners', homosexual 'marriage', or the teaching of the 'gay agenda' in schools, even as early as Kindergarten.

Beginning in the early 80's, they used AIDS to create sympathy for themselves, even though it was clear that it was their own actions that brought that disease into their ranks. With this sympathy, they brought about the changes they wanted made, free from much opposition, because the media wouldn't brook any serious discussion on the matter, because to try to do so would be 'homophobic'. Most folks just kept their mouths shut, because they didn't want to be thought ill of by their co-workers, fellow churchgoers, or neighbors.

So that creates a situation in which, as happened in Lexington MA, when a father goes to a teacher and tells her he'd rather his Kindergarten son NOT have to listen to a book about two mommies, or two daddies, and respectfully asks that his son be allowed to go to the library or somewhere else, if that discussion is going to be held. He was arrested, and a restraining order placed on him so that he could not set foot on the school grounds, even for Parent's Night. He wasn't trying to force his beliefs on the school, or make the school change for him, he only wanted the school to accomodate his family's beliefs by exempting his son from discussions of homosexual relationships. The school wouldn't allow it.

38 posted on 09/16/2007 12:22:57 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
He was arrested, and a restraining order placed on him so that he could not set foot on the school grounds, even for Parent's Night. He wasn't trying to force his beliefs on the school, or make the school change for him, he only wanted the school to accomodate his family's beliefs by exempting his son from discussions of homosexual relationships. The school wouldn't allow it.

HOLY MOLY! But you can't mention Jesus.... What was the charge against him...officially? What about freedom of speech? This is what we have to look forward to more of if Hillary - It takes a village - is elected.

39 posted on 09/16/2007 12:28:21 PM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: SuziQ
So that creates a situation in which, as happened in Lexington MA, when a father goes to a teacher and tells her he'd rather his Kindergarten son NOT have to listen to a book about two mommies, or two daddies, and respectfully asks that his son be allowed to go to the library or somewhere else, if that discussion is going to be held. He was arrested, and a restraining order placed on him so that he could not set foot on the school grounds, even for Parent's Night. He wasn't trying to force his beliefs on the school, or make the school change for him, he only wanted the school to accomodate his family's beliefs by exempting his son from discussions of homosexual relationships. The school wouldn't allow it.

I'm afraid that we live in a nation where rampant political correctness rules. There are too many sacred cows. This is not confined to homosexuality, as you know. :(

40 posted on 09/16/2007 12:33:41 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: wagglebee
This is true for many men that have changed through their relationship with Christ. It is nice to see a study though confirming what has been the reality of many.

I must say though, I am a bit befuddled as to the dykons and how converted to their original preference could make any man want to date them. Maybe a liberal man. EWWWWW. Is that too mean? I just die when I see many of these gay women that look like men and act like men. It creeps me out as a woman.

At least an effeminate male has taste in dress, manners, and interior design--which accounts for a lot. LOL. :-)

41 posted on 09/16/2007 12:33:44 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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42 posted on 09/16/2007 12:34:42 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Aria
Yes. I am also around many gay males etc in my profession. However when gay and lesbians/trans-genders etc push their sexual politics and sexuality on the general populace and into pop culture and schools, as well as in regulatory situations we are no longer talking ‘behind closed doors’.

We are talkin’ “look at me an how I do sex! See! See! You need to accept, condone and be like this. Watch! Watch! Pay for my sex change and hormones throughout my lifetime. Give me a job!" THAT is absolutely unacceptable.

43 posted on 09/16/2007 12:41:38 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: wagglebee

Some gays are that way because they choose it. Sometimes they choose it out of hate for the opposite sex. I think it is good to try to understand the origins of homosexuality. I’ve always believed in trying to find the truth, no matter how painful.


44 posted on 09/16/2007 12:42:58 PM PDT by TheThinker (Foreign campaign contributions should be criminal. This is not democracy at work.)
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To: Riverman94610

I don’t know many gays but I think the few lesbians I have known were not very happy people. I never knew for sure the reason for their anger. The only gay man I know is my hair dresser and he is generally up beat but I know deep down he is not happy with his life.


45 posted on 09/16/2007 12:51:44 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SuziQ
Beginning in the early 80's, they used AIDS to create sympathy for themselves,

Yeah if you have AIDS you are some kind of hero

Anybody ever remember seeing people with syphilis being held up as heroes
46 posted on 09/16/2007 12:55:43 PM PDT by uncbob (m first)
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To: wagglebee
... likely will cause depression, anxiety or self-destructive behavior.

I thought that being gay already did that.

47 posted on 09/16/2007 12:58:34 PM PDT by fella (The proper application of the truth far more important than the knowledge of it's existance."Ike")
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To: wagglebee

No one doubts that humans can change their behavior... But, likewise, no one doubts that humans have a tendency to fall back into old habits. What would be more interesting than an article announcing a well-known fact (that behavior is a behavior) would be an article following these individuals and relaying levels of success or relapses. Blanket announcements like this are really unimpressive. Who cares if these people are now heterosexual, unless they REMAIN heterosexual? Isn’t that the true measure of success for these programs?

If recent political scandals have taught us anything, it should be that many active homosexuals have no problem pretending to be straight, even if it means suckering some poor woman into marriage in the process.


48 posted on 09/16/2007 1:06:26 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: GOP Poet

I totally agree. Tolerance of something you don’t necessarily agree with is one thing...advocating/promoting is another.

I was more tolerant until I went to a gay pride parade and now I just stay away. This just isn’t me.


49 posted on 09/16/2007 1:19:40 PM PDT by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: COgamer; scripter
What would be more interesting than an article announcing a well-known fact (that behavior is a behavior) would be an article following these individuals and relaying levels of success or relapses.

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50 posted on 09/16/2007 1:28:48 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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