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Syrian blast was chemical warhead glitch-magazine (Update)
Reuters ^ | 9/19/2007 | unattributed

Posted on 09/19/2007 12:06:09 PM PDT by mojito

An explosion at a Syrian military complex in July which killed 15 soldiers was a bid to arm a chemical warhead and was not caused by a heatwave as Damascus said, according to Jane's Defence Weekly.

Syria had said temperatures up to 50 degrees Celsius (122 Fahrenheit) caused an ammunition dump to explode, killing the soldiers and wounding another 50.

But Jane's Defence, quoting Syrian defence sources, said the blast occurred as Syrian weapons experts, with Iranian backing, were attempting to activate a 500-km-range (300-mile-range) "Scud C" missile with a mustard gas warhead.

"The explosion occurred when fuel caught alight in the missile production laboratory," the magazine said, quoting the sources.

"The blast dispersed chemical agents (including VX and Sarin nerve agents and mustard blister agent) across the storage facility and outside. Other Iranian engineers were seriously injured with chemical burns to exposed body parts."

The sources said dozens of Iranian missile engineers were killed along with the 15 Syrians.

The magazine also pointed out that the explosion occurred at about 4:30 a.m., two hours before sunrise, when temperatures have barely begun to rise, let alone reach 50 C.

Syrian officials were not immediately available to comment on the Jane's story.

The article, to be published in the Sept. 29 edition, said the Syrian-Iranian cooperation at the classified military production facility in Aleppo, northern Syria, was the result of a two-year-old weapons agreement between the two nations.

Under the deal, the magazine said, Iran agreed to supply Syria with weapons and ammunition, train Syrian personnel, and help transfer technology for weapons of mass destruction, including chemical-warfare systems.

It said the agreement, signed in November 2005, had led to the establishment of five pilot facilities in Syria aimed at producing chemical weapon precursors.

As a result of the explosion on July 26, Jane's said an Iranian-Syrian programme to arm short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads had been aborted.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; islam; israel; lol; missiles; muhammadsminions; mustardgas; sarin; sept62007; syria; waronislamism; wot
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An update of yesterday's story, with a few additional details.
1 posted on 09/19/2007 12:06:13 PM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

“the explosion occurred at about 4:30 a.m., two hours before sunrise”

Maybe there’s a sat-photo available?


2 posted on 09/19/2007 12:08:33 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: mojito

I can’t think of a more deserving group of people to have something like this happen to.

I’m only sorry that so few were killed and injured.


3 posted on 09/19/2007 12:08:51 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: mojito
"As a result of the explosion on July 26, Jane's said an Iranian-Syrian programme to arm short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads had been aborted."

Yeah, Right. Perhaps only at that one site...

4 posted on 09/19/2007 12:08:57 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: mojito

Couldn’t happen to a nicer country.


5 posted on 09/19/2007 12:09:19 PM PDT by inkling (exurbanleague.com)
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To: mojito

6 posted on 09/19/2007 12:12:23 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: mojito
an Iranian-Syrian programme to arm short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads had been aborted

Ballistic missiles, even short range, should really go further than 0 feet.

7 posted on 09/19/2007 12:13:57 PM PDT by green iguana
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To: mojito
Syria had said temperatures up to 50 degrees Celsius (122 Fahrenheit) caused an ammunition dump to explode, killing the soldiers and wounding another 50.

Next Al Gore will blame it on Global Warming which means it's all Bush's fault.

8 posted on 09/19/2007 12:17:37 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Ditto

These a-holes get a nice big fat posthumous Darwin award.


9 posted on 09/19/2007 12:20:32 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: mojito

There’s one word missing from this article. Anyone know what it is?

If this is true, Syria just developed crosshairs.


10 posted on 09/19/2007 12:21:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Sorry Hillderella, but the Hsu fits... and king Lerach would like a call. < wicked witch laughter >)
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To: mojito

“dozens of Iranian missile engineers were killed along with the 15 Syrians.”

good.


11 posted on 09/19/2007 12:21:12 PM PDT by Ancient Drive
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To: mojito

re: # 1Could this have been one of those WMDs tht Saddam didn’t have and somebody saw being moved out of Iraq?


12 posted on 09/19/2007 12:22:25 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20
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To: mojito

Saddam must not have shipped out the Owners Manuals with his WMDs. Here’s hoping for lots more “Work Accidents” in the future...


13 posted on 09/19/2007 12:25:03 PM PDT by gridlock (I do not support Hillary Clinton because I am afraid of strong women)
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To: shankbear
>>>These a-holes get a nice big fat posthumous Darwin award.<<<

The Darwin principle seems to be working on a number of the Islamic terrorists attack plans....unfortunately not fast enough.

We may to have to intervene...to help nature along..... don't you understand.

14 posted on 09/19/2007 12:27:36 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: mojito
I suppose the Red Sea swallowing Pharaoh's’s chariots was also due to a procedural glitch
15 posted on 09/19/2007 12:27:49 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: mojito

“The blast dispersed chemical agents (including VX and Sarin nerve agents and mustard blister agent) across the storage facility and outside. Other Iranian engineers were seriously injured with chemical burns to exposed body parts.”

So they were putting a mustard warhead on the missle but there were containers of VX & Sarin sitting nearby that were damaged by the blast? Sounds a bit improbable - you’d think that agents like VX & Sarin would be secured far away from any activity like this.

And if the nerve agents were in the mix those exposed would suffer something more serious than “chemical burns” - more like “death”.

Just a couple of details that start the needle on the BS meter to quiver a bit.


16 posted on 09/19/2007 12:28:14 PM PDT by G L Tirebiter
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To: mojito

Whee! This is getting tense.


17 posted on 09/19/2007 12:30:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: mojito; neverdem; Congressman Billybob; patton; theDentist; Cyber Liberty

The blast dispersed chemical agents (including VX and Sarin nerve agents and mustard blister agent) across the storage facility and outside. Other Iranian engineers were seriously injured with chemical burns to exposed body parts.”

But Saddamn “never” had nerve gas & WMD’s, nor did he “ever” transport them secretly to Syria while te lierals were stalling Bush’s invasion of Iraq to specifically FIND such weapons, nor did Syria “ever” cooperate with Iraq and other Arab states to continue work on WMD’s after Saddam n was removed from office.....

Nah.

Waiting for ABBCNNBCBS to report this.
Waiting for Newsweek to report this (instead of fawning over HIllary’s lies.

Still waiting.
Still waiting..
Still waiting...
Still waiting....
Still waiting.....
Still waiting......
Still waiting.......


18 posted on 09/19/2007 12:32:29 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: mojito
The sources said dozens of Iranian missile engineers were killed along with the 15 Syrians.

Good news comes in small packages..............

19 posted on 09/19/2007 12:33:15 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: mojito
Curious. What those other agents were doing in the same facility is more than a little disturbing. Both VX and Sarin can be binary agents but don't have to be. If they aren't this sort of accident is perfectly possible.

This delivery platform - I'm assuming it was a generic Scud type and not literally a Scud missile - isn't particularly accurate for testing purposes; that is, you wouldn't just park a herd of sheep out in a test facility somewhere and expect to hit it. Either the story isn't anywhere near complete or something rather nasty was in the offing. Inquiring minds want to know...

20 posted on 09/19/2007 12:35:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DoughtyOne
There’s one word missing from this article. Anyone know what it is?

MOSSAD............

21 posted on 09/19/2007 12:35:10 PM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: Abathar

“As a result of the explosion on July 26, Jane’s said an Iranian-Syrian programme to arm short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads had been aborted.”
Yeah, Right. Perhaps only at that one site...


Nah, just arming that one missle was aborted! :)


22 posted on 09/19/2007 12:37:10 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: mojito

I am inclined to believe it was less Darwin at work but rather something else. Unless of course an alternate spelling for Darwin is M-O-S-S-A-D.


23 posted on 09/19/2007 12:37:45 PM PDT by Polynikes
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To: G L Tirebiter; patton
No. No reason (other than competence of the “borrowed” workers!) to assume otherwise.

A single secret facility, possibly/probably stocked with what weapons were shipped from Iraq while the liberals and the UN fought Bush for a year before he invaded.

At the time they arrived, everything was secret, nothing was planned for loading or re-work or research or launching missiles from the storage site. You’d WANT everything in one place.

Move missile warheads in later. Or get them later, and move them to the nerve gas and mustard gas storage area. Again, logical place to store them. (Maybe not a good place to LOAD the warheads (in the same building or even the same room!) but a good place to keep secrets together.

Find out Saddamn is dead, US is winning, Areal is getting uppity - so you try to load weapons PRIOR to 9/11 anniversary! - and do so with the “small” explosives in a mustard gas warhead that disperse the agent into small droplets. (This size explosive would be much less than 15-20 lbs - like a small device inside the mustard gas tank. After all, you want to blow up the tank, disperse the mustard gas liquid into a cloud of particles, not destroy the mustard gas in a large explosion.

Everybody in the room is killed when the warhead or fuze to the dispersal warhead goes off.

24 posted on 09/19/2007 12:41:22 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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I’m thinking they never stopped working on arming the chemical warheads. If it was an accident, they’d blame it on Israel. Thinking it was a cover to make Israel think Syria doesn’t have these mounted on missles, so that Israel won’t bomb them like they bombed the nuclear facility.


25 posted on 09/19/2007 12:44:26 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: Red Badger

I’ll give you a hint...

WMDs


26 posted on 09/19/2007 12:47:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Sorry Hillderella, but the Hsu fits... and king Lerach would like a call. < wicked witch laughter >)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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27 posted on 09/19/2007 12:47:57 PM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Kozak

Kozak,
I was going to write a beautiful piece on how our enemies get trapped in their own schemes and blah blah blah.... but I think you made the point much more elegantly. Bravo!


28 posted on 09/19/2007 12:56:15 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: Billthedrill
Who the heck arms stuff inside a storage facility, especially for a test?

There are these things called test ranges that are normally used that sort of thing.

29 posted on 09/19/2007 12:57:58 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: gridlock
They were in cuneiform so hard to follow
30 posted on 09/19/2007 1:01:29 PM PDT by colonialhk (Power and Money,the new mantra of the left!)
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To: Calvin Locke

Cant have the sky looking at you.


31 posted on 09/19/2007 1:02:22 PM PDT by colonialhk (Power and Money,the new mantra of the left!)
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To: G L Tirebiter
VX and Sarin drums were marked, Hold for Saddam. they were only there temporarily. ;-D
32 posted on 09/19/2007 1:03:00 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: mojito
It said the agreement, signed in November 2005, had led to the establishment of five pilot facilities in Syria aimed at producing chemical weapon precursors.

One seems to be taken out now. Wonder if Israel is working on the others? They were arming it, but where was it pointed? Israel, Lebanon or Iraq?

33 posted on 09/19/2007 1:11:45 PM PDT by DejaJude
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I thought of that, but you mean they’re too cheap to build “facilities” at the range?


34 posted on 09/19/2007 1:13:55 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: colonialhk

Maybe the CIA put a Owners Manual for the Chemical Scud on the Internet, instructing the Weapons Techs to fit the fuse to the missile using a 5 pound sledge...


35 posted on 09/19/2007 1:14:01 PM PDT by gridlock (I do not support Hillary Clinton because I am afraid of strong women)
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To: mojito
Ahh, giving up so soon? This calls for more tests...*snicker*
36 posted on 09/19/2007 1:17:25 PM PDT by Greystoke
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To: green iguana
Ballistic missiles, even short range, should really go further than 0 feet.

Maybe they had the missile pointed down? ;)

37 posted on 09/19/2007 1:28:07 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Life was better when cigarette companies could advertise and lawyers could not)
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To: All

This remarkable piece of information, courtesy of YNET News:

“The scientific arm responsible for Syria’s knowledge and missile production is the Scientific Study Research Center (SSRC). They can be contacted at POB 4470, Damascus. They can also be reached by phone at: 963-11-772-603, or faxed at 963-11-2223771. Yet behind this seemingly innocent name hides the agency in charge of the manufacture of ballistic missiles. The center also handles a great part of the knowledge and acquisition of equipment worldwide.”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3451415,00.html


38 posted on 09/19/2007 1:40:23 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
Maybe there’s a sat-photo available?

Yes, tell Chloe to send it to my screen.

39 posted on 09/19/2007 1:41:15 PM PDT by pbear8 (Padre Pio please pray for Tony Snow)
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To: mojito
The sources said dozens of Iranian missile engineers were killed along with the 15 Syrians.

That's a pretty good start.

L

40 posted on 09/19/2007 1:42:18 PM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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To: HardStarboard
There is a country in the ME which hasn't signed the nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty nor are they a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty.

It's Syria.

L

41 posted on 09/19/2007 1:44:15 PM PDT by Lurker ( Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing smallpox to ebola.)
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42 posted on 09/19/2007 1:44:51 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: mojito

Since the Syrian experts were killed, we can assume that future warhead arming will be by guys that come to play off the bench.

They are down to second string and the coin toss beginning the game hasn’t happened yet.


43 posted on 09/19/2007 1:44:58 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Hillary's color is yellow.....how appropriate)
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To: Diogenesis

Somebody be sure to send this story to Ms. Pelosi - so she can send belated condolences, no doubt.


44 posted on 09/19/2007 2:09:09 PM PDT by Tirian
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To: Southack; jeffers; section9; Cap Huff
But Jane's Defence, quoting Syrian defence sources, said the blast occurred as Syrian weapons experts, with Iranian backing, were attempting to activate a 500-km-range (300-mile-range) "Scud C" missile with a mustard gas warhead.

Does this mean what I think it means...

45 posted on 09/19/2007 2:11:59 PM PDT by Dog (Drink Apple Juice..... Canned OJ kills...)
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To: mojito
As a result of the explosion on July 26, Jane's said an Iranian-Syrian programme to arm short-range ballistic missiles with chemical warheads had been aborted.

And thus, Syria had a motive to order Nuclear Take-Out through their favorite Chinese restaurant, Norkies.

46 posted on 09/19/2007 2:16:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Israel must be on red alert.

Syria and Iran are playing high stakes poker, almost all the chips are on the table.

Someone is going home broke pretty soon.


47 posted on 09/19/2007 2:38:05 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

The accident may have put some of the Iranian chem specialists out of business. That could force the Iranians to heavily invest in nuclear WMD. It appears that the Chem warheads are just a little too dangerous to work with. Also interesting that we really have 2 proxies in the mix here. China’s proxy North Korea ships nukes to Iran’s proxy Syria. My guess is the Israelis had a nuke sub parked off the norkie coast just in case the mission failed. The Israelis did go all in, especially considering that if the mission failed the Syrians probably would have launched since they would have expected a followup attack. Use it or lose it. We now have the Mahdi Wannabe making a song and dance trip to New York trying to save the Iranians. This all points to the probability that the Iranian Nukes are not operational yet, which means we still have the chance to stop them. What I have found interesting is no one really knows what the North Koreans shipped. All we have been told is nuke material or nuke equipment. If that is all the Israelis knew, they had to have assumed the worse.


48 posted on 09/19/2007 4:58:53 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Dog; blam; section9; Rokke

Scud-C’s can’t reach Israel from Aleppo (in Northern Syria where the missile mishap occured). Scud-C’s are just 300 mile range weapons.

The more reasonable answer is that it was 800 mile range No Dong missiles that cooked off, one way or another (Israel has stealth UCAV’s, for instance).

It’s the shipment(s) of No Dong’s into Syria, badged as Iranian Shaheeb-3’s, that has ramped up tensions in the region.

So be it...


49 posted on 09/19/2007 5:18:46 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: mojito
Iran agreed to supply Syria with weapons and ammunition, train Syrian personnel, and help transfer technology for weapons of mass destruction

Well shoot Luke, there's your problem...

Regards,
GtG

PS Maybe we can count on a little less cooperation between the Persians and the Arabs, yes?

50 posted on 09/19/2007 5:40:38 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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