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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj
Incidentally, every single one of these "Fred wins nationally" scenarios automatically assume his opponent is the Hilderbeast and he benefits from massive GOP turnout and her polarizing figure. Although Hillary is way ahead of the rest of the RAT field, my father (who is also a FDT supporter, BTW) doesn't believe Hillary will get the nomination precisely because the Dems know she is so derisive and unelectable.

He envisions Howard Dean and the RAT leaders putting together an emergency "Stop Hillary" plan where Obama, accepting that he cannot get the nomination (and Hillary will NEVER choose him as veep), drops out at the 11th hour and throws his support and delegates to Edwards in exchange for a major role in the Edwards administration. With Edwards and Obama's numbers combined, they narrowly overtake Hillary in the delegate count with her having all the big urban states and the Edwards/Obama team gets all the delegates from the rural Midwestern and southern states, giving Edwards the nomination.

Edwards is another RAT nominee in the mold of their previous successful candidates, Clinton and Carter (folksy southern "populist" who embraces socialism but campaigns as "moderate", and I do believe he would win such an election due to Bush fatigue.

46 posted on 09/23/2007 11:20:57 PM PDT by BillyBoy (FACT: Governors win. Senators DON'T. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it)
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To: BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; darkangel82; AuH2ORepublican
"Incidentally, every single one of these "Fred wins nationally" scenarios automatically assume his opponent is the Hilderbeast and he benefits from massive GOP turnout and her polarizing figure. Although Hillary is way ahead of the rest of the RAT field, my father (who is also a FDT supporter, BTW) doesn't believe Hillary will get the nomination precisely because the Dems know she is so derisive and unelectable."

Anyone legitimately tries to stop her, and there will be hell to pay, you better believe it. She ain't in the Senate today because she wants to serve the people of New York. The whole thing was a sham for her to be present in the public eye until which time she would go for the Presidency. Know why she didn't run in 2004 ? Because she knew Dubya wasn't going to lose. We're talking about one of the coldest, most calculating individuals in politics today (I dare say even more so than her husband, who at least enjoyed pressing-the-flesh, eye-to-eye campaigning -- I think she views it as an unfortunate and distracting aspect in the way to getting the power she craves, and it tends to show in her stiffness). Where there's a similarity between Fred and Hillary, it is this, they are both running because they know they will win their respective primaries. If there was even the slightest possibility they wouldn't, they wouldn't be running. It's that simple.

"He envisions Howard Dean and the RAT leaders putting together an emergency "Stop Hillary" plan where Obama, accepting that he cannot get the nomination (and Hillary will NEVER choose him as veep), drops out at the 11th hour and throws his support and delegates to Edwards in exchange for a major role in the Edwards administration. With Edwards and Obama's numbers combined, they narrowly overtake Hillary in the delegate count with her having all the big urban states and the Edwards/Obama team gets all the delegates from the rural Midwestern and southern states, giving Edwards the nomination."

For a general election, that might appear smart, but if they turn on Hillary like that, there will be a major-league bloodbath. Hillary would not sit idly by and let that happen. Any Democrat that does not fear her is very stupid or naive. I'll tell you I can imagine she'd order political hits more readily and coldly than her husband.

"Edwards is another RAT nominee in the mold of their previous successful candidates, Clinton and Carter (folksy southern "populist" who embraces socialism but campaigns as "moderate", and I do believe he would win such an election due to Bush fatigue."

Edwards is a phony, an empty suit, and a pathological liar. His one-term wonder win in a jinxed seat was a fluke (and he couldn't even carry NC to help Kerry -- and he didn't want to run for a 2nd term because he also knew he couldn't win over Dick Burr). I think Obama would be much more formidable, although he is even more leftist than Hillary, but doesn't have the negatives (mainly because most people don't know his extremist record, let alone incredible verbal gaffes ("10,000 people died in the Kansas tornado !" (12 died, IIRC) -- they just see him smiling with Oprah and think he looks like a nice, pleasant man).

48 posted on 09/24/2007 12:02:10 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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