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Daily Kos: General Petraeus Wore Fraudulent Medal
Via OrbusMax.com - Little Green Footballs ^ | 9/21/07

Posted on 09/22/2007 11:31:06 AM PDT by llevrok

Tonight at Daily Kos, the new mainstream voice of the Democratic Party, they’ve found a new angle from which to attack General Petraeus: Hey, MoveOn! Petraeus Wore Fraud Medal At Testimony.

Examining General Petraeus’s medals, his official bios and then comparing three reports of events on 3/30/2003 in Najaf, Iraq - two by prize-winning embedded journalists and one understood to be by Army personnel (which document this diarist will produce to a responsible party at any time) - this diarist cannot conclude other than that General David Petraeus wore a medal for combat valor in his testimony before Congress that was a sham, propaganda and a dishonor to his troops and nation.

I will be extremely surprised if there is anything to these charges, but it’s not my area of expertise, so LGF military lizards—please weigh in.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: idiots; kos; kossuckers; lunatics; militaryhaters; moonbats; nutcase; petraeus; psychosis
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To: llevrok

These people are not only a joke but they’ve gone far past revolting.


221 posted on 09/23/2007 3:54:18 AM PDT by Paige ("Facts are stubborn things." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"The fact is that not only was Boorda a piss poor CNO he is also the only one responsible for putting a bullet into his chest..."

Wasn't that two bullets?

222 posted on 09/23/2007 4:00:00 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: Rembrandt; Schichtel
Ahem.....it's "expertise".

Of course, it all depends on what the meaning of "ise" ise.

Leni

223 posted on 09/23/2007 4:04:49 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Thanks for posting the info about General Petraeus Army career path. I wonder how his history compares with the left’s favorite general - weasley clark?


224 posted on 09/23/2007 4:14:50 AM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: 91B
...but I feel compelled to call it into question since I know many other soldiers whose CAB was denied due to trivial reasons."

Please explain this. What has one soldier being denied a CAB have to do with another soldier being denied the same one. Is there evidence of, as you seem to be saying, a trivial reason that would make him ineligible?

Color me skeptical about this whole thing given the source and the almost genetic disposition the rabid left has toward personally destroying anyone and anything that stands in the way of their agenda.

IMO this will put this whole thing to rest.

-snip-

The Combat Action Badge was designed to be awarded to soldiers performing an infantry mission who aren't infantry.

-snip-

www.army.mil/symbols/combatbadges/Action.html

(1) The requirements for award of the CAB are Branch and MOS immaterial. Assignment to a Combat Arms unit or a unit organized to conduct close or offensive combat operations, or performing offensive combat operations is not required to qualify for the CAB. However, it is not intended to award all soldiers who serve in a combat zone or imminent danger area.

(2) Specific Eligibility Requirements:

a. May be awarded to any soldier.

b. Soldier must be performing assigned duties in an area where hostile fire pay or imminent danger pay is authorized.

c. Soldier must be personally present and actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy, and performing satisfactorily in accordance with the prescribed rules of engagement.

225 posted on 09/23/2007 4:55:55 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: MNJohnnie
Incorrect.

Never read only part of the Wikipedia article. If you had read further you would have found this part. "The CAB creation was approved by the U.S. Army on May 2, 2005..."

226 posted on 09/23/2007 5:28:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: muawiyah; All

“Right, for the regulations ~ officers are hired on to read those things. On the other hand, for highly important work, e.g. tracked vehicle maintenance, the Army issues comic books!”

Well, I’ve read many of those as well. They’re presented in an easy-to-understand format and the info STICKS, so they serve their purpose. What vehicle do you need fixed? I could most likely still do it, LOL! Need your rifle cleaned? I’m your gal! :)

Not everyone I met in the military was super-smart, but they were FAR from being the “cannon fodder” that the Left paints us to be. Granted, some come from pretty poor backgrounds where education beyond the very basics is not valued, but their military “home” and “family” makes a world of difference in their lives.

I highly recommend The Life to anyone that has a sense of adventure and doesn’t know what they exactly want to be when they grow up. I joined at 17 and I’m a boring white chick from a middle-class background. I didn’t NEED to go into the military; I had scholarships lined up around the block for college. (The military paid for my education along the way.) I retired an E-7 (Sergeant First Class) with my Certificate of Eligibility to be a Warrant Officer, but I elected to retire before the position I wanted, and worked toward, opened up. Besides, the Clintons were running the show and they were p*ssing many of us off. They destroyed the military, but that’s a rant for another day. (I became a wife and step-Mom at age 35, two years before I retired.)

I wanted to see the world and do something USEFUL for others...and I didn’t want to be a nurse or a teacher, or a hairdresser or any of the other “jobs” open to a woman in the 1970’s.

And that’s why I read military comic books as well as regulations. ;)


227 posted on 09/23/2007 6:15:44 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Safetgiver
According to Wiki the CAB was only established in 2001? How could Haig have one?
228 posted on 09/23/2007 6:23:34 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (in the halls of Valhalla...)
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To: llevrok
No mention of Kerry's Purple Heart, however....

Which one, the one for the scratch from his own round or the one for the boo-boo?
229 posted on 09/23/2007 6:26:12 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: MNJohnnie
Not true. Daily Kosie author is a fool or a liar.

Not true. Daily Kosie author is a fool AND a liar.
230 posted on 09/23/2007 6:27:45 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Eventually everything in life dovetails. Toward the end of my government career I actually met some of the guys who did the story-lines behind the comics. They were doing scripts for CDs ~ and not just for tracked vehicles, but for atomic submarines.

Then there were the guys developing the portable PC for field combat use ~

All of these people were highly motivated, patriotic beyond doubt, and truly concerned for the welfare of the troops who were going to follow their directions or use their software.

The best of folks.

231 posted on 09/23/2007 6:28:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Please explain this. What has one soldier being denied a CAB have to do with another soldier being denied the same one. Is there evidence of, as you seem to be saying, a trivial reason that would make him ineligible?

Very well. I believe that a General officer might not face as great a difficulty geting his award approved as would a junior soldier (who-as I pointed out earlier-had their requests for award denied for trivial reasons). It seems to me that a General officer would not be in position to qualify for such an award as would regular soldiers who run regular missions and patrols (our division commander, for example, moved from FOB to FOB by helicopter). For all I know, Patraeus is perfectly desering of his award. But I know soldiers who are just as deserving who have had their award denied and I wonder at the discrepancy.

232 posted on 09/23/2007 7:18:27 AM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: MNJohnnie
No, the award was not created until 2005, although it was made retroactive until 2001. Before the creation of the CAB the Army had proposed the Close Combat Badge for Engineers, Tankers, Artillerymen and other combat MOS's.

The point I was responding to was that Patraeus might have earned the award as a junior officer, which is not possible.

While it is possible for him to have earned the award in Iraq, it does give me pause as I personally know other-more junior-soldiers whose award was denied on a technecality.

233 posted on 09/23/2007 7:26:47 AM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: 91B
Thanks for the reply. I think this has been resolved, however, by the posting of the regulation that covers the medal. It seems the issuance of the medal can be for actions seen previous to the date the medal was conceived.

Even thought the medal was 1st made available in 2005, even soldiers who saw the necessary action from 2001 forward would be eligible.

If there was a whiff of credibility to this absurd claim by KOS, the NYT and all the Networks would be all over it and they are not.

236 posted on 09/23/2007 7:32:28 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Kozak
Daily Kosie author is a fool AND a liar.

Thank you for the correction. I had should of thought of that myself.

237 posted on 09/23/2007 7:41:34 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/)
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To: MNJohnnie

There’s some more of that reason and courtesy that you are so well known for hereabouts.


238 posted on 09/23/2007 7:54:11 AM PDT by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal)
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To: muawiyah

“Then there were the guys developing the portable PC for field combat use.”

I’m quite familiar with those mini-TANKS. I had to lug them around for years, LOL! Prior to those, we actually used mimeograph machines in the field, and manual typewriters. We thought we were really living high on the hog when we got those cool IBM Selectric typewriters with the changeable font-balls. And somehow, we managed. I thought I had died and gone to Heaven the day I was issued my first “laptop”...which also weighed as much as a cinder block, LOL!

I am kind of jealous of all the cool toys they get to play with now, though. The most “advanced” technology I trained on were those electronic combat suits where you’d shoot lasers at one another. When you were hit, the most obnoxious beeping would go off until a Medic found you and used his/her “key” on you to shut you off, LOL!

Now, a gunner can pretty much sit in the comfort of another COUNTRY (or out in the middle of the ocean) and conduct ‘business’ from there. Peace through superior firepower works for me. :)


239 posted on 09/23/2007 8:04:01 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: llevrok
Maybe General Petraus should meet with Al Quiada in Paris then throw his medals (or copies of his medals) over the White House fence.
240 posted on 09/23/2007 8:11:08 AM PDT by Natural Law
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