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1 posted on 09/22/2007 4:52:07 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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According to Katherine Mangu-Ward, an editor at Reason, Mr. Shilling, an economist and columnist for Forbes, totaled up government workers, “private-sector workers who owe their jobs to government” and recipients of government entitlements like Social Security and food stamps. For good measure, he threw in dependents of these beneficiaries.


Uh okay.


2 posted on 09/22/2007 4:54:54 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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"government dependents outnumber private sector workers"

Well that's the plan, isn't it?

3 posted on 09/22/2007 4:55:24 PM PDT by VR-21
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To: reaganaut1
I've heard this argument before - it includes people it really shouldn't just for the sake of fluffing up the numbers. Active duty military personnel are not "serfs" nor should they be categorized like that for the sake of academic argument - it's false!
4 posted on 09/22/2007 4:57:15 PM PDT by Ken522
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Anyone who receives a government check? That would include military personnel, intelligence officers, and law enforcement officers. They deserve better than to be portrayed like that.

While it’s true that there are too many people who get money from the government (including many corporations), this study is overly simplistic.


5 posted on 09/22/2007 5:02:07 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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No surprise here. I pay 29% federal income tax, 7% state income tax, 15% FICA (which includes the employer portion that would have been paid to me if I was free to opt out of that great Ponzi scheme), 6% sales tax, various property and registration fees for cars and pets, insidious uncountable excise taxes hidden in gasoline and alcohol. Well over half my earnings are taxed by the State. Serfs had it better.


7 posted on 09/22/2007 5:08:21 PM PDT by kcar (HillCare 2.0: Freedom's deathbed)
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Remember that in New Jersey, 25% of the population is either employed by the government (state, federal, local), or has a spouse who is. That’s not counting the contractors who are indirectly government employees themselves.


8 posted on 09/22/2007 5:08:59 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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people will catch on eventually that Andrew Sullivan is gay, therefor thinks liberal, meaning true facts have nothing to do with anything


9 posted on 09/22/2007 5:09:18 PM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process)
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In the late Roman Empire era, Roman free citizens, taxed into poverty, would show up at the gates of the large estates of Roman Senators and for food and lodging give up their freedom. This was the rise of serfdom, voluntary slavery and the creation of Italian city states and innumerable provinces.
14 posted on 09/22/2007 5:46:48 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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In the late Roman Empire era, Roman free citizens, taxed into poverty, would show up at the gates of the large estates of Roman Senators and for food and lodging give up their freedom. This was the rise of serfdom, voluntary slavery and the creation of Italian city states and innumerable provinces.
15 posted on 09/22/2007 5:46:52 PM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad you're not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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Retired military personnel are not "serfs" nor should they be categorized

I like many others gave 20+ years of our livess to protecting this country. We are not SERFS!

17 posted on 09/22/2007 5:49:55 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
21 posted on 09/22/2007 6:11:29 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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33 posted on 09/22/2007 6:39:34 PM PDT by dragnet2
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Can anyone link to the chart? I can’t find it at the sites mentioned.


46 posted on 09/22/2007 7:25:28 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961


Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040

My fellow Americans:

Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.

This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.

Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.

Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.

My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.

In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.

II.

We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.

III.

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.

IV.

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

  • and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

V.

Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.

VI.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.

Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.

VII.

So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.

You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.

To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:

We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.


56 posted on 09/22/2007 10:12:20 PM PDT by VxH (One if by Land, Two if by Sea, and Three if by Wire Transfer)
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bttt


57 posted on 09/22/2007 10:55:37 PM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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We all lose our freedom. As Mark Steyn says, since 1945 in the Western World, when people have been invited to make a choice between freedom and government care, they overwhelmingly vote for the latter. Too many people just want someone else to do the things for them they ought to be doing for themselves.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

61 posted on 09/23/2007 3:19:29 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“private-sector workers who owe their jobs to government”

That's me, and yet I like the idea of Constitutional, limited government, even if end up having to get another job. Silly me, I guess I was supposed to be some whiner who protects his goobermint-financed job above all other considerations. I obviously don't fit the plan.

68 posted on 09/23/2007 3:59:13 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Oh, Geesh, not THIS crap AGAIN?!?)
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“Shilling found that for each person earning his pay in the private
sector and paying taxes,” Ms. Mangu-Ward wrote, “there is at least
one more person relying on a check from the government.”


Welcome to the world in which Fifty-Percent plus one vote can
truly destroy the USA.
81 posted on 09/23/2007 2:28:46 PM PDT by VOA
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