American mythology (Ref: Fred Thompson) [Barf Alert]

The Ottawa Citizen ^ | September 21, 2007 | Dan Gardner

[2ndDivisionVet]

Apeing the Washington Post, I see.

[counterpunch]

Naturally. Canadians are mainly the lapdogs of US liberals.

[ALPAPilot]

The Founding Fathers of the United States asserted their claim to freedom and independence on the basis of certain "self-evident" truths about the human person: truths which could be discerned in human nature, built into it by "nature’s God." Thus they meant to bring into being, not just an independent territory, but a great experiment in what George Washington called "ordered liberty": an experiment in which men and women would enjoy equality of rights and opportunities in the pursuit of happiness and in service to the common good. Reading the founding documents of the United States, one has to be impressed by the concept of freedom they enshrine: a freedom designed to enable people to fulfill their duties and responsibilities toward the family and toward the common good of the community. Their authors clearly understood that there could be no true freedom without moral responsibility and accountability, and no happiness without respect and support for the natural units or groupings through which people exist, develop, and seek the higher purposes of life in concert with others.

The American democratic experiment has been successful in many ways. Millions of people around the world look to the United States as a model in their search for freedom, dignity, and prosperity. But the continuing success of American democracy depends on the degree to which each new generation, native-born and immigrant, makes its own the moral truths on which the Founding Fathers staked the future of your Republic. Their commitment to build a free society with liberty and justice for all must be constantly renewed if the United States is to fulfill the destiny to which the Founders pledged their "lives . . . fortunes . . . and sacred honor."

John Paul II

[MNJohnnie]

it was the Soviet Union's victories in the east that broke Nazi Germany's back and led to the liberation of Europe

Pure Marxist BS. The Russians got to Berlin eating American grown food, marching in American made boots, supplied by American made trucks, with weapons repaired and maintained by American made tools carried to the Russians on American made trains. Since Easter Europe were not a freed by the Sovs, and only American lead Cold War made them free from either Nazi or Sov domination, Thompson's statement is correct and this author a silly ass.

[TNPatriot]

But wait, we actually care what every Canadian blame-America-first pseudo-intellectual revisionist crap weasel thinks...

Just kidding.

[DoughtyOne]

LMAO, this is some pretty humorous stuff. Fred’s wife cajoled him into running...

I thought the student editor, or at lest the teacher would give thumbs up or down on eighth grade diatribes like this.

I’ll bet the kid got free hamburgers for a week and enough acne jel to last for three months for writing this sophmoric fender bender.

[Raycpa]

He made Fred’s case very nicely. We are slow to enter wars and we do so for the benefit of freedom.

[upchuck]

Ping.

Here’s one for the FRead, jb.

[endthematrix]

"Of course the Soviets replaced Nazi chains with their own...But the same can be said about the American record."

"the Soviets only got into the war after being attacked"

Nazi-Soviet Pact...Russo-Finnish War.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

So this guy basically makes tha accusation that there are a group of see-no-evil Americans who will react in a certain way to the statements he makes and then, naturally the FR horde proves him right.

The real point to be made here is not necessarily what gets a country into a war. It is what that country does after it wins a war. Those nations that were “liberated” by the Soviets are now just emerging from their half-century of “liberation”. Whereas within 15 years of being occupied by America, most countries are paragons of freedom, wealth and responsibility.

The problem with Iraq was by no means the motive or intention - it was the unbelievably incompetent and negligent mismanagement that is inherent in this administration. WWII gives some very good lessons as to the number of boots on the ground it takes to win the peace.

[Brilliant]

“In eight foreign wars since the late 19th century, the Post found, 623,288 Americans lost their lives. But Soviet losses in the Second World War alone were an order of magnitude greater than that and it was the Soviet Union’s victories in the east that broke Nazi Germany’s back and led to the liberation of Europe.”

This guys about as nutty as a fruitcake. The Soviets weren’t sacrificing their lives for the freedom of others. They weren’t even sacrificing their lives for their own freedom. They were defending Joe Stalin.

[elizabetty]

This comment set Mark Steyn firmly against Fred Thompson.
If I were running for President and could have only on fan in the press and commentary circles, it would be Mark Steyn.

Steyn wrote, "Sorry, guys, if that's the level of bragadocio required, include me out. It should not be necessary in "supporting our troops" to denigrate everybody's else."

[2ndDivisionVet]

So you disagree with Senator Fred Thompson’s statement, I take it?

[6SJ7]

“Thus, Hillary has little experience in management and less in elective office. She has no original ideas that anyone has been able to discern. She has embraced no particular cause. She just seems terribly interested in being president; it is widely believed her smart and ambitious wife cajoled her into running.”

[Elsie]

...husband...

[airborne]

The Russians got to Berlin eating American grown food, marching in American made boots, supplied by American made trucks, with weapons repaired and maintained by American made tools carried to the Russians on American made trains.

Kind of disconcerting that of all these, we could probably only provide the food anymore.

[MNJohnnie]

Nope, we could still do all of it.

[airborne]

If put in the same position, I think so.

But not without converting our factories to mass produce those items we’ve outsourced.

And not without it taking considerable time.

Remember when we bought our military berets from China?

[Teacher317]

In eight foreign wars since the late 19th century

And yet he only mentions a few... what about the rest of the eight? How did we fail to fight for freedom in Korea and the others? And interesting that he fails to note the most important, and bloodiest, American war... the American Civil War, where each side was fighting for freedom, as they saw it.

[MacDorcha]

“relaxed work ethic”

Liberal buzz-words for “limited government”.

They see a laissze faire (sp?) government as *lazy*.