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"The War" (A Ken Burns Film) Part 2 of 4; Now airing 7PM Central 9-24-07
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Posted on 09/24/2007 5:05:53 PM PDT by VOA

see link above...
This is an announcement of the airing of part 2 (of 4?) of
Ken Burns "documentary" on WWII.


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Just a TV heads-up.

Please see a following post for comments on the 1st episode aired
last night.
1 posted on 09/24/2007 5:06:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

Here is a URL/link for the thread that includes comments on the first episodes
of Ken Burns’ “The War”.

Heads up!! “The War” begins tonight on PBS
PBS.org ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1901006/posts?page=1


2 posted on 09/24/2007 5:07:08 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

I’m here.


3 posted on 09/24/2007 5:08:44 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

A local talk show host in Connecticut gave it an execllent review. People in Connecticut are especially interested because one of the four communities featured is Waterbury, CT.


4 posted on 09/24/2007 5:08:59 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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Interesting they discussed how all Americans were behind their president during WW2.


5 posted on 09/24/2007 5:11:57 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Man50D
My dad started his war in Tunisia.
6 posted on 09/24/2007 5:13:16 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA
Remember the PA 28th.


7 posted on 09/24/2007 5:14:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: VOA

I thought part one was pretty good, in particular the fairly detailed treatment of Guadalcanal and the role of the Marine Raiders, and just what a tough slog it was.


8 posted on 09/24/2007 5:14:13 PM PDT by Argus ("Don't Tase me bro!")
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To: mware

Thanks for checking in.

I, like others, are watching with a bit of a critic’s eye.

Part One was pretty good, IMHO.
But Burns/PBS did have to include some agenda-driven segments.

Well, for that “Greatest Generation”, I guess they paid the price to
even let some folks have some politically-correct TomFoolery!

On the other hand, there were some very honest, forth-right AND GRAPHIC
images and verbal description of the Allies were “up against it” in
those early days after Pearl Harbor.


9 posted on 09/24/2007 5:14:22 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mware
all Americans were behind their president during WW2.

Partly because we didn't have a 24 hour news cycle back then...and that was back in the good ol days, when the office and officeholder were paid respect.

10 posted on 09/24/2007 5:14:26 PM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: VOA

Those 88 were one nasty piece of artillary, especially if it was aimed at you.


11 posted on 09/24/2007 5:14:30 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware
My dad started his war in Tunisia.

Thank you for your Dad serving our country. My Dad started his as an 18 year old landing on Omaha Beach on D-Day.
12 posted on 09/24/2007 5:16:34 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: blu

The media did seem to have it out for Patton back then but for the most part you are correct.


13 posted on 09/24/2007 5:17:10 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Man50D

That was one nasty baptism of fire.


14 posted on 09/24/2007 5:18:27 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Man50D

“People in Connecticut are especially interested because one of the four
communities featured is Waterbury, CT.”

It sure was a wonderful image of WWII-era Waterbury in the film.

Hard-working immigrants (forgive me for saying it...legal immigrants),
doing the sort of precision work/machining that is seen as a loser’s profession
in today’s USA.

I got my mom (nine years old in north-central OK on Dec. 7, 1941) to
watch Part 1.
I said to her (about the small town America vignettes): “It was a
simpler times.”
She said “You’re darned right it was!”


15 posted on 09/24/2007 5:18:52 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mware
Interesting they discussed how all Americans were behind their president during WW2.

LOL!
The most psychedelic part of Part One was showing Hollywood stars and starlets
turning out essentially en masse for bond-sales and morale building.

Talk about a "that was then, this is now" situation with Hollywood!
16 posted on 09/24/2007 5:21:13 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Petronski

For reference about “Bloodbucket” from Part 1 thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1901006/replies?c=24


17 posted on 09/24/2007 5:24:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

76,000 men were lost in that first battle six month battle in Tunisia.

Staggering.


18 posted on 09/24/2007 5:24:31 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: VOA
“It was a simpler times.”
She said “You’re darned right it was!”


I've often wondered about that type of statement because what can be more complex and confusing than a world war?
19 posted on 09/24/2007 5:25:02 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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I wonder if they are going to mention Lil Marline.

Although German, it was the favorite song of both sides during the battles in N. Africa.

20 posted on 09/24/2007 5:25:20 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

Just another bump for publicity.

And I don’t know if all PBS outlets are doing this...but our station in
central Missouri follows up the first airing (starting at 7PM Central) with
a fairly immdiates re-run at 9PM.


21 posted on 09/24/2007 5:26:06 PM PDT by VOA
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Same here in Philly region. They do a replay from 10PM-12PM


22 posted on 09/24/2007 5:28:44 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Man50D
I've often wondered about that type of statement because what can
be more complex and confusing than a world war?


Of course, that makes sense.

But for every "seasoned citizen", trying to absorb all the "new stuff"
that hits us each year in a country like the USA...
I'm sure the RECOLLECTION is that it was a simpler time!
23 posted on 09/24/2007 5:28:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

My uncle who rarely stays up past 8 oclock now (he is 86) stayed up and watched the whole show last night. I kept dozing off during the first part of the show, he told me he was wide awake.


24 posted on 09/24/2007 5:30:57 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA
But for every "seasoned citizen", trying to absorb all the "new stuff" that hits us each year in a country like the USA... I'm sure the RECOLLECTION is that it was a simpler time!

Very true. It would be interesting to know if WWII combat vets feel the same way.
25 posted on 09/24/2007 5:32:53 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Petronski
My Stepfather was in the Bucket of Blood in WW2.
26 posted on 09/24/2007 5:36:29 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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“I wonder if they are going to mention Lil Marline.”

IIRC, my brother said there was (probably 20 years ago) some film
about the movie highlighting the ironies behind it...the popularity
with both Axis and Allied troops, and that either the author of the lyrics
(or the manager of the prominent singer of the song) was a Jew in
the Third Reich (and untouched by the Nazis, IIRC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Marleen


27 posted on 09/24/2007 5:37:34 PM PDT by VOA
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“Interesting they discussed how all Americans were behind their president during WW2”

Apparently so. At least my parents and their families were supportive - and involved. However, I have heard accounts of a handful of people that didn’t want to get involved in “Europe’s War”, but then of
course Hitler ruined their plans when he declared war on us.


28 posted on 09/24/2007 5:40:07 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: mware
After seeing the Left going all swishy and anti-war against Chicoms, VC, NVA, and even Islamofascists, I'm convinced that the only reason the Left and Liberal Democrats supported World War II was because that doofus Hitler was stupid enough to attack the Soviet Union, their favorite country.
29 posted on 09/24/2007 5:45:13 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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I just logged on, saw this, and flipped to our PBS....barf!

It's an interview with that famous intellectual -- Sean Pukeface Penn!

30 posted on 09/24/2007 5:49:25 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (...forward this to your 10 very best friends....)
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“I’m convinced that the only reason the Left and Liberal Democrats supported
World War II was because that doofus Hitler was stupid enough to attack
the Soviet Union, their favorite country.”

Here’s a profile on writer Dalton Trumbo.
As part of his Communist work during WWII...he’d “Name names” to
the FBI.
Of the people that asked for copies of his book “Johnny Got His Gun”.
Because Trumbo assumed that after Hitler finked on the non-aggresson
pact...any American pacifist must be a threat to continued aid to
the USSR by the USA.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1859


31 posted on 09/24/2007 5:50:23 PM PDT by VOA
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To: mware
Interesting they discussed how all Americans were behind their president during WW2.

Behind their President and for their country. . .

32 posted on 09/24/2007 5:52:16 PM PDT by cricket
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To: ErnBatavia

“I just logged on, saw this, and flipped to our PBS....barf!”

Sorry, if that was part of the Burns film, I missed it.

Maybe the airing time varies for some of the indivudual PBS outlets.

If Penn was on the air...right now it can only be for leftist fruitiness
on PBS...
or to pimp his recent film release.


33 posted on 09/24/2007 5:52:53 PM PDT by VOA
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he only reason the Left and Liberal Democrats supported World War II was because that doofus Hitler was stupid enough to attack the Soviet Union, their favorite country.

Exactly what my husband and I were discussing after last night''s show.

34 posted on 09/24/2007 5:54:11 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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The Left in the USA turned on a dime when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union.


35 posted on 09/24/2007 5:54:41 PM PDT by maica (America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
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To: ErnBatavia

I’m on eastern standard time. First hour almost over.


36 posted on 09/24/2007 5:54:57 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

BTW I think it is a 7 part series.


37 posted on 09/24/2007 5:55:50 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

I started watching yesterday...but I may be too type “A” for this program...I found the pace a little too slow, and the voice over a little too flat...so I was flipping to other channels. Tonight I watch Heros.


38 posted on 09/24/2007 5:56:46 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: VOA

pbs put penn on the air out west so far,fair and balanced.


39 posted on 09/24/2007 5:58:54 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: Drango

I hear ya. Sure isn’t like the voice of Shelby Foote, is it.


40 posted on 09/24/2007 6:00:10 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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Interesting they discussed how all Americans were behind their president during WW2.

Behind their President and for their country. . .

41 posted on 09/24/2007 6:02:40 PM PDT by cricket
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I am very interested in WWII and have an anti-hyper personality...never seen Lethal Weapon films and many others along those lines.

But this thing is tedious.

42 posted on 09/24/2007 6:03:03 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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To: cricket
They are on the air attack where my neighbor became a POW. When he died 40 years later he still had metal in his legs from wounds recieved.

When he landed they beat the hell out of him and made him walk 10 miles with a broken leg.

Really ironic, my dad who knew him when they were kids helped to liberated the Stalag he was in.

43 posted on 09/24/2007 6:09:03 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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I just labeled it “tedious” but I must admit that the little bomber sequence we just saw was pretty gripping. Those guys not wanting to get into those planes but doing it anyway...um...and some of those planes that got back with everybody on board shot up. Air guys dont get enough appreciation, I think.


44 posted on 09/24/2007 6:20:25 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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I just labeled it “tedious” but I must admit that the little bomber sequence
we just saw was pretty gripping.


I'm aure some of the "homefront" sequences are slow-going for
many viewers.
But for those sections, I do think Burns has caught a lot of the
atmospherics of "that time, that place" in small towns.

It sure is consistent with what I heard from grandparents and
relatives (in rural Oklahoma/Kansas) when they told me their WWII-era
recollections.
45 posted on 09/24/2007 6:25:25 PM PDT by VOA
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To: SergeiRachmaninov
Air guys dont get enough appreciation, I think.

Burns did have a good photo montage about the maximum-danger
days of American day bombings.

One complaint...any high-school kid watching wouldn't unreasonably
conclude that B-17 gunners never knocked down a German plane.
46 posted on 09/24/2007 6:28:39 PM PDT by VOA
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“BTW I think it is a 7 part series.”

Sorry about that...I must have goofed when scanning listings.


47 posted on 09/24/2007 6:30:07 PM PDT by VOA
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fwiw...I had to shutdown my DVD, The Eye of Vichy, to watch this episode tonight. Vichy is a short (30 min, I think) “film” by famous (and still active) French “new wave” director Claude Chabrol. It is nothing but a collage of Franco/German propaganda newsreel footage that was shown in both Vichy France and in the north during the war. Paints a very, very ugly picture of enthusiastic French collaboration. Netflix has it, although I bought it after first renting.


48 posted on 09/24/2007 6:37:46 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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Lefties love to make anti-fascist shows.

Anti-commie shows? Not hardly to be found.

You can count the anti-commie movies on one hand. There are scores of anti-fascist movies and documentaries.

That's because the commie left is in charge of the media.

49 posted on 09/24/2007 6:39:25 PM PDT by what's up
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“Paints a very, very ugly picture of enthusiastic French collaboration.”

If you haven’t seen it, I would recommend (even though it’s from PBS!),
“Auschwitz: Inside the Nazi State”.

It does a fairly good job of parcelling out accountability in terms of
who ordered it, who enthusiatically helped, who tried to not participate and
who sat on the sidelines...when it comes to the Holocaust.

The segment on the French/Vichy involvement ain’t pretty.
Especially as it centers on rounding up Jewish children in Paris and
“shippin’ em’ out”.

(If you rent/buy, do be forwarned about the “discussion” interludes
hosted by hot reporter-turned-nutty-liberal-earthmother Linda Ellerbee.
There are a few pearls from some of the commentators, but also some
PC drivel.)

http://www.pbs.org/auschwitz/


50 posted on 09/24/2007 6:48:26 PM PDT by VOA
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