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To: billbears
Paul has clearly stated the income tax is unconstitutional and he would end it. He has formulated no plan for revenue replacement.

You throw out $641 billion in what you and Paul consider remotely permissible expenditures, but you still don’t answer the question of how you’re going to pay for even the $641 billion on the $120 to $190 billion in revenue you have left after saving $211 in interest payments by defaulting on our debt.

Sorry, not only is Paul a curmudgeon good for sound bites and nothing more. The classic empty suit., he’s a highly irresponsible one.

174 posted on 09/27/2007 8:44:09 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: SJackson

Paul voted against finding the Iraqi’s guard units ‘terrorists’....(eyes rolling)

Guess its either ‘unconstitutional’ or will negatively impact the shrimp industry....


175 posted on 09/27/2007 8:45:17 AM PDT by Badeye (Most human problems can be solved by the correct application of a mini gun in my experience.....)
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To: SJackson
He has formulated no plan for revenue replacement.

Good. Starve the government. Hmmmm...I seem to remember another President (one highly respected by conservatives) that advocated that. Can't pay for it, shut it down.

But this is the point. No other candidate has formulated a plan for most of what they advocate. Come to think of it, none of them have given specifics for what they'd cut let alone a plan for how they'd cut it. But only Rep. Paul should have a plan laid out for you. Gotcha. You know even if he laid out a plan tomorrow, you'd still have a problem with him. So why bother complaining about his supposed absence of a plan on how he plans to get rid of the behemoth on our backs?

Sorry, not only is Paul a curmudgeon good for sound bites and nothing more. The classic empty suit., he’s a highly irresponsible one.

Yes because a 'highly responsible' one would just give platitudes, maybe repeat a couple well rehearsed lines, and once in office continue to expand government. That about it?

177 posted on 09/27/2007 9:12:42 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: SJackson; Allegra; ravingnutter; MNJohnnie
What are you guys going to do if Paul wins the nomination? Are you going to vote 3rd party, despite the fact that Paul will still be a better Commander-in-Chief than all the Dummycrats and maybe even better than Rudy, Romney, and Huckabee? He's still conservative on all of the other issues. Reports are circulating that Paul's 3rd Q fundraising may top $10 million. $10 million raised in a quarter that's traditionally slow is front-runner status money. It's huge news, especially for a guy that "can't win" is "2% in the polls" or is a "kook."

Keep in mind that this post shouldn't be construed as me shilling for Paul, but you guys need to look at some reality here. Now I've attended Paul rallies and seen pics and videos of them, and these folks could easily have been your next door neighbors. Women with kids and babies in the audience. Funny, but I didn't see any 9/11 "Truthers", anti-war kooks, or anarchist anti-gov't types.

All your name-calling and cheesy photo-shops are apparently having no impact on the thousands of grassroots supporters who are enthusiastically supporting Paul. Paul has the GOP in a delicate situation. Should they keep marginalizing him, taunting him and his supporters, at the risk of his supporters staying home or writing in Paul's name in the general, thereby giving Hillary the election? Or do they at least adopt some of his views, like ending the Drug War and not committing to a long-term Mideast operation, and perhaps abolish the income tax and let Dr. Paul speak at the convention so those libertarian and swing voters will vote for the nominee? These are serious questions here, because I for one do not want Hillary to be President, and I'm sure in the Hell am not supporting some RINO who'll continue the quasi-socialist status-quo.

178 posted on 09/27/2007 9:29:16 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt presidential candidate to ever run for office)
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To: SJackson

You have fallen for the lie that the Income tax actually pays for something useful.

Does the Income tax pay for roads? No, gas taxes do.

Does the Income tax pay for education? No, local levys and property taxes do.

Does the Income tax pay for Social Security? No, Social Security taxes do.

Does the Income tax pay for Medicare? No, Medicare taxes do.

Does the Income tax pay for defense? No, Corporate income taxes do.

What does the Income tax pay for?

Answer:
1) Interest on debt borrowing, largely from the non-federal money printer calling ifself the ‘Federal’ Reserve. This entity creates something it calls ‘money’ out of thin air and charges the federal government interest on it. The Constitution clearly gives the US government the power to create its own coin and notes, but instead the federal government ‘borrows’ from nothing and has taxpayers pay interest on this nothingness.

2) Waste. Is the Department of Education necessary? How about the Department of Housing and Urban Development? And so on ad infinitum.

The Income tax is a scam foisted on a small percentage of very wealthy Americans in 1913 at a max rate of 7%. The tax code was 14 pages long and with today’s printing fonts and format would fill 9 pages. It was allowed passage as a quid pro quo to the likes of financial barrons such as JP Morgan in return for a concession to manufacture money out of thin air. Why object to 7% income tax when you can create 80% new money from nothing based on your gold holdings? But the greed of bankers would not put up with even 7% maximum. Over the decades they shifted the income tax burden to the middle class and used it to vacuum dollars out of circulation while they manufactured federal reserve notes to put into circulation.

Ron Paul is aware of all that and more.

Is there a better way? You damn right there is. Start by federalizing the Federal Reserve and stop paying interest on nothingness immediately. Enact the FairTax which will abolish the IRS and move immediately to repeal the 16th Amendment.


179 posted on 09/27/2007 9:30:55 AM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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