ABC Lumps 'Christian Right' With 9-11 Terrorists as Driving People to Atheism

NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

[muawiyah]

“private” ~ we are social animals. There is no “private” death with such a creature.

[muawiyah]

The only story on the matter, if it's a matter at all, was written by Max Blumenthal in The Nation magazine.

The only sourcing for the alleged statement arises out of that one article by that one leftwingnut who writes anti-American garbage, cusses a lot, and indulges in exceedingly rabid conspiracy theories about 9/11.

You will need to find a much better source or RECANT.

[muawiyah]

Max also was financed by http://www.puffinroom.org/ which has as one of its feature pieces today a photo of the Spanish Civil War.

Gad!

Are these people hard core Commies or just a bunch of sickos.

[muawiyah]

Excellent point ~ or the Episcopals (which are fortunately being dismantled congregation by congregation by its own members).

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Thanks very much, CE; sincerely appreciated.

[Cvengr]

Nope, that’s recognizing what God has provided for all man.

Ephesians, though, goes further, encouraging us to forgive those who might owe us an apology, just as God has forgiven us, although we also do not deserve it.

[muawiyah]

The reference to the Atheist simply turning to God and "all is well" is antinomianism.

[festus]

Its 2nd only to this elections seasons mobilization of the youth vote by the democrats ;-)

[sgtyork]

A depressed patient is not of sound mind, nor is somebody who is mentally ill. If they lack rational judgement, the option of suicide should not be available.

So what you are acknowledging is that there ARE cases where the interest of the state in preserving LIFE (or as our founding fathers said ...”the right to life, liberty...” —informed by the judeo-christian world view) outweigh the civil rights of a patient/citizen.

Since you and I share an AMEDD background, I will share that I took a course on Medical Law via correspondence from Ft. Sam years ago. I remember there were a series of cases where the state will overrule a citizen’s civil rights to protect life. For example, forcing medical care for minors over the religious objections of parents.

(parent’s )...rights must yield to the State’s parens patriae interests in protecting the health and welfare of the child.

http://www.cqcapd.state.ny.us/newsletter/74cclong.htm

So — “The side based upon civil liberties” isn’t a sufficient answer is it?

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...socialized medicine that in the US doctors are more aggressive to keep the patient alive than doctors in Canada or Germany....

And why the difference?

Is it perhaps because American doctors are more religious than their counterparts in those post-Christian countries?

http://www.uchospitals.edu/news/2005/20050622-religious.html

Survey shows that physicians are more religious than expected
June 22, 2005

The first study of physician religious beliefs has found that 76 percent of doctors believe in God and 59 percent believe in some sort of afterlife. The survey, performed by researchers at the University of Chicago and published (early online) in the July 2005 issue of the Journal of General Internal Medicine, found that 90 percent of doctors in the United States attend religious services at least occasionally, compared to 81 percent of all adults. Fifty-five percent of doctors say their religious beliefs influence how they practice medicine.

also

Physicians’ Religiosity and End-of- Life Care Attitudes and Behaviors
http://www.mssm.edu/msjournal/71/71_5_pages_335_343.pdf
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You and I probably share the experience of living in a country where human life was cheap. How do we avoid becoming a country like that?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDQ2OTIyZmVlNzE0OGJhOWVjZTQyNDE3NGM5NTM5OTM=

In effect, he worries that Europe as a whole is indifferently slipping into vegetable life, while its elites clear away any visions of angels that would interfere with their cultivation of an elegantly Godless Continent.

Weigel contends that Europe’s current demographic and cultural barrenness is the result of a great civilization’s abandonment of its longstanding source of self-comprehension and advancement.

Weigel consistently emphasizes that “Christianity taught European man his own dignity” and, in turn, that it proposed to him how best to be responsible and virtuous in forming societies organized to reflect and secure the inherent individual liberty of all. With severe precision, he argues that Christianity’s omission from the EU’s preamble exposes Europe’s abandonment of a morally regulated democratic sensibility for an emptily procedural equivalent.

http://freekorea.us/?p=5970

U.N. Envoy: N. Korea Sends Handicapped to Camps
October 23, 2006 at 11:01 am · Filed under Human Rights, “United” Nations

Since I began blogging about North Korea, one of my core philosophies has been that nukes, diplomacy, and human rights aren’t logically separable. That’s because you deal with governments that possess a basic regard for human life differently from those that lack one. Governments in the first category share our desire to preserve life by avoiding war. Governments in the second category seek only to preserve and expand their own power; their motivations are not like our own. This distinction has been lost on plenty of people who mirror-image the North Koreans as fundamentally reasonable. If this doesn’t tell us just what we’re up against, I don’t know what will.

The North Korean government rounds up disabled people and sends them out of the capital, Pyongyang, to special camps, where they are sorted by handicap and subjected to “subhuman conditions,” the United Nations has reported.

Vitit Muntarbhorn, a special UN rapporteur for human rights in North Korea and the author of the report, cited reports from defectors who said the mentally disabled were sent to camps known as “Ward 49.” Other camps exist for dwarfs, who may marry but are barred from having children.

[weegee]

Look at the Katrina victims who were euthanized because caregivers wanted to flee.

[Cvengr]

Every person before they have faith in God falls into the category of unbeliever, including atheists. In order for an atheist to have a relationship with God, they also first must turn to Him, instead of any other. Repentance is merely turning back to God from thinking of anything else in one’s stream of consciousness with volition. That occurs when an unbeliever exercises faith in Him for the first time.

[tpanther]

I’m Christian and I agree. I don’t run into too many “Christians” as you’re describing though. You bring up a good point about nativity scences, those have been too offensive to display in NY schools, while other religious symbols get a free pass.

What I DO run into FAR more often are people that seem to have no boundaries or regard for others regardless of their spirituality. Frankly they don’t seem to have any morals.

I don’t care to have foul language shoved down my throat, particularly when my wife and kids are around to hear it.

Or so-called music that’s full of foul language, not to mention degradation of women, etc. etc. etc.

I don’t care to even KNOW, let alone be exposed to another’s sexuality in public, yet gay pride parades seem to be hellbent to make very private matters public at any cost.

BTW, just the mere WORD Christmas was removed from our children’s school calendar because it was deemed too “offensive”.

Las Cruces New Mexico came under attack from the ACLU because the name Las Cruces was somehow an affront to the so-called separation of church and state. (Las Cruces: “the crosses” has been in existence for decades).

I could go on and on...

http://www.catholicleague.org/2000report/education2000.html

[Rennes Templar]

You are right. I thought Mark wrote the line. I had such a momentum on posting digs at libs I didn’t read it through enough. Good lesson for the future, thanks. RT