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For class of S.F. high school juniors, WWII details are elusive
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/02/BA61S87F0.DTL ^

Posted on 10/02/2007 9:49:23 AM PDT by World_Events

If high school juniors' answers to a World War II questionnaire were strung together, here's how history would look:

World War II took place in 19-something, when Theodore Roosevelt was president and the Germans claimed to be the best race.

Hoping to aid Third World countries, the United States joined the war to stop racism and end the dispute over Jews.

The head of the Nazis was a killer named Hitler whose evil partner, Mussolini, was president of the USSR. Ultimately, the war ended with the bombing of Iwo Jima and Hitler's suicide. Then a treaty was signed. Not every 11th-grader who answered a Chronicle questionnaire at San Francisco's Burton High School responded with such a fractured version of history. Eight of the 34 students said correctly that "Roosevelt" or "FDR" was president during most of the war, apparently remembering the subject they had studied as sophomores last spring. Most knew about the attempted genocide of the Jews, all but three recognized Hitler, and eight placed the war in the 1940s.

But others, perhaps suffering a temporary memory lapse, variously named George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Richard Nixon and Winston Churchill as the war's main president. Eighteen students wisely left the answer blank.

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Sad but not unexpected in this ignorant and spoiled internet generation.
1 posted on 10/02/2007 9:49:26 AM PDT by World_Events
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To: World_Events
If high school juniors' answers to a World War II questionnaire were strung together, here's how history would look:

In Belushi's immortal words: "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

At least he knew the war started with Pearl Harbor. I wonder if anybody these days even knows that much.
2 posted on 10/02/2007 9:53:10 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: World_Events
Sad but not unexpected in this ignorant and spoiled internet generation.

The really ironic thing is, is how much access to information about WWII this generation has. The internet, several cable channels that run probably close to 50% WWII content, as well as some of the most popular video games are WWII games. Then there are movies and mini-series - some of the most popular in the past 10 years are WWII oriented.
3 posted on 10/02/2007 9:58:49 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: World_Events

It is not all the fault of this “spoiled” generation. Who educated or raised them? Folks from our generation did. Garbage in....garbage out.

I just took an American History course and was stunned at the garbage that is presented in course books. There was hardly any fact. It seemed to be all editorial. All I read was how bad Americans were (of course all through our history), how we treated those poor minorities and immigrants badly, how we raped the environment, and how we were hated throughout the world because of our involvement.

On the tests and quizzes...if I wanted to get a right answer, all I had to do was to select the worst answer with regards to our behavior and I could get it right.

The authors who are proliferating these text books need to be kicked out and sent to a country where what they write would be considered true so they can get some perspective.

I had all I could do not to throw a tantrum every week....it was so hard to be subjected to that much agenda with no truth.


4 posted on 10/02/2007 10:01:25 AM PDT by applpie
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To: World_Events

I do not agree that the fault lies with the youngsters. The fault lies in the miserable teaching of history in our schools. Look over a “History” book and see just how much coverage is given over to that most horrible period. World War II shaped the world they live in, and they are taught next to nothing about it.
Then check over the time taken for “social studies” or “environmental studies”. How much time is spent teaching them of the evils of their own country?
I gave a grandson the complete series of Victory at Sea. His main comment....”that was NOT the war I studied at all”.
He learned more HISTORY from an old, black and white TV series that ever from school. What a sad comment.


5 posted on 10/02/2007 10:03:11 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf (NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views)
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To: af_vet_rr

Have you been watching the Ken Burns special on PBS?


6 posted on 10/02/2007 10:06:10 AM PDT by SoKatt
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To: World_Events

10 simple questions. i didn’t even have to look at the answer key to know i got the answers right.
the kids couldn’t even pass this test?


7 posted on 10/02/2007 10:08:10 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders- don't re-elect them!)
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To: World_Events

Today’s high school students may not know squat about history, but I bet they know how to put a condom on a cucumber. They also believe the global warming myth because they’ve been shown algore’s mythomentary “Inconvenient Truth” 7 times in the last year.


8 posted on 10/02/2007 10:09:31 AM PDT by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: 50mm

The first step to rescuing this country is to break the NEA. Then we can begin to undo the damage wrought by the baby boomers. Unfortunately this will come too late for those who are condemned to the current method of public education.


9 posted on 10/02/2007 10:15:09 AM PDT by redlegplanner
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To: World_Events

These products of urban progressive public schools will largely become adults who make fun of rural, home-schooled kids (who will eat the progressive idiots’ intellectual lunch) as dumb hicks.


10 posted on 10/02/2007 10:16:48 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: World_Events

They might fail to understand history, but they’re damn-sure doomed to repeat it.


11 posted on 10/02/2007 10:17:35 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf; World_Events; applpie

I had to augment my children’s American History in the ‘70’s because in their Social Studies text book, only one paragraph was given to Abraham Lincoln!

In ‘84 I purchased a book every parent should read today: “N.E.A. The Trojan Horse in American Education”, by Samuel L. Blumenfeld.

I hope more parents take a good look at what their children are being indocrinated into while there is still a sliver of time in which to regroup.


12 posted on 10/02/2007 10:21:20 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: World_Events

I firmly believe that voters should be required to pass some kind of test. Giving the undeducated the right to vote just dumbs down the government.


13 posted on 10/02/2007 10:24:42 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: World_Events

I firmly believe that voters should be required to pass some kind of test. Giving the undeducated the right to vote just dumbs down the government.


14 posted on 10/02/2007 10:24:50 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: JamesP81
“At least he knew the war started with Pearl Harbor. I wonder if anybody these days even knows that much.”

Not trying to be Devils Advocate but the war started for the USA with Pearl Harbor or even earlier if you count the Lend Lease program. The war had been going on for some time when the USA joined. The Japanese had gotten off to an early start with Manchuria in 1931. People just didn’t recognize the war for what it was then much like what is going on today.

15 posted on 10/02/2007 10:27:08 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hey. I got a question. How are you planning to get back down that hill?)
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To: Polynikes

I was thinking more in terms of declared hostilities. IMO, the war really started the day that the British and the French forced the ridiculous Treaty of Versailles on Germany. When that document was signed, Round 2 was guaranteed.


16 posted on 10/02/2007 10:34:16 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: World_Events

We need an online “Classic Comic Book” about WW2!


17 posted on 10/02/2007 10:43:45 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: JamesP81
At least he knew the war started with Pearl Harbor.

Try this little open book test:

1)What was the name of the first US Naval ship bombed by the Japanese?
2)When was it sunk?
3) What was the name of the first US Naval vessel sunk by the Germans in World War II.
4)What month and year was it sunk?
5) When did the first National Guard Unit sail for the South Pacific?
6) Where did they fight?
7)Bonus question: In what year did World War II start. Explain your answer.

18 posted on 10/02/2007 10:50:25 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: World_Events

If Gamers fought WWII:

*Hitler[AoE] has joined the game.*
*Eisenhower has joined the game.*
*paTTon has joined the game.*
*Churchill has joined the game.*
*benny-tow has joined the game.*
*T0J0 has joined the game.*
*Roosevelt has joined the game.*
*Stalin has joined the game.*
*deGaulle has joined the game.*
Roosevelt: hey sup
T0J0: y0
Stalin: hi
Churchill: hi
Hitler[AoE]: cool, i start with panzer tanks!
paTTon: lol more like panzy tanks
T0JO: lol
Roosevelt: o this fockin sucks i got a depression!
benny-tow: haha america sux
Stalin: hey hitler you dont fight me i dont fight u, cool?
Hitler[AoE]; sure whatever
Stalin: cool
deGaulle: **** Hitler rushed some1 help
Hitler[AoE]: lol byebye frenchy
Roosevelt: i dont got **** to help, sry
Churchill: wtf the luftwaffle is attacking me
Roosevelt: get antiair guns
Churchill: i cant afford them
benny-tow: u n00bs know what team talk is?
paTTon: stfu
Roosevelt: o yah hit the navajo button guys
deGaulle: eisenhower ur worthless come help me quick
Eisenhower: i cant do **** til rosevelt gives me an army
paTTon: yah hurry the fock up
Churchill: d00d im gettin pounded
deGaulle: this is fockin weak u guys suck
*deGaulle has left the game.*
Roosevelt: im gonna attack the axis k?
benny-tow: with what? ur wheelchair?
benny-tow: lol did u mess up ur legs AND ur head?
Hitler[AoE]: ROFLMAO
T0J0: lol o no america im comin 4 u
Roosevelt: wtf! thats bullsh1t u fags im gunna kick ur asses
T0JO: not without ur harbors u wont! lol
Roosevelt: u little biotch ill get u
Hitler[AoE]: wtf
Hitler[AoE]: america hax, u had depression and now u got a huge fockin army
Hitler[AoE]: thats bullsh1t u hacker
Churchill: lol no more france for u hitler
Hitler[AoE]: tojo help me!
T0J0: wtf u want me to do, im on the other side of the world retard
Hitler[AoE]: fine ill clear you a path
Stalin: WTF u arsshoel! WE HAD A FoCKIN TRUCE
Hitler[AoE]: i changed my mind lol
benny-tow: haha
benny-tow: hey ur losing ur guys in africa im gonna need help in italy soon sum1
T0J0: o **** i cant help u i got my hands full
Hitler[AoE]: im 2 busy 2 help
Roosevelt: yah thats right ***** im comin for ya
Stalin: church help me
Churchill: like u helped me before? sure ill just sit here
Stalin: dont be an arss
Churchill: dont be a commie. oops too late
Eisenhower: LOL
benny-tow: hahahh oh sh1t help
Hitler: o man ur focked
paTTon: oh what now biotch
Roosevelt: whos the cripple now lol
*benny-tow has been eliminated.*
benny-tow: lame
Roosevelt: gj patton
paTTon: thnx
Hitler[AoE]: WTF eisenhower hax hes killing all my sh1t
Hitler[AoE]: quit u hacker so u dont ruin my record
Eisenhower: Nuts!
benny~tow: wtf that mean?
Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped
paTTon: coming to get u hitler u paper hanging hun cocksocker
Stalin: rofl
T0J0: HAHAHHAA
Hitler[AoE]: u guys are fockin gay
Hitler[AoE]: ur never getting in my city
*Hitler[AoE] has been eliminated.*
benny~tow: OMG u noob you killed yourself
Eisenhower: ROFLOLOLOL
Stalin: OMG LMAO!
Hitler[AoE]: WTF i didnt click there omg this game blows
*Hitler[AoE] has left the game*
paTTon: hahahhah
T0J0: WTF my teammates are n00bs
benny~tow: shut up noob
Roosevelt: haha wut a moron
paTTon: wtf am i gunna do now?
Eisenhower: yah me too
T0J0: why dont u attack me o thats right u dont got no ships lololol
Eisenhower: fock u
paTTon: lemme go thru ur base commie
Stalin: go to hell lol
paTTon: fock this sh1t im goin afk
Eisenhower: yah this is gay
*Roosevelt has left the game.*
Hitler[AoE]: wtf?
Eisenhower: sh1t now we need some1 to join
*tru_m4n has joined the game.*
tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy ****holy****hoyl****!
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bull**** u fockin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*
*Eisenhower has left the game.*
Stalin: next game im not going to be on ur team, u guys didnt help me for ****
Churchill: wutever, we didnt need ur help neway dumbarss
tru_m4n: l8r all
benny~tow: bye
Churchill: l8r
Stalin: fock u all
tru_m4n: shut up commie lol
*tru_m4n has left the game.*
benny~tow: lololol u commie
Churchill: ROFL
Churchill: bye commie
*Churchill has left the game.*
*benny~tow has left the game.*
Stalin: i hate u all fags
*Stalin has left the game.*
paTTon: lol no1 is left
paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep
*paTTon has been eliminated.*
paTTon: o sh1t!
*paTTon has left the game.*


19 posted on 10/02/2007 10:53:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: World_Events

California consistently rates 50th out of 50 in educational ratings.... add to it the sad messed up fact of having to be a high schooler living in San Francisco...... where your teachers are likely using your locker room as anonymous bath houses... frankly I’m suprised they can even write a sentence.


20 posted on 10/02/2007 10:56:48 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: World_Events

Incredible. I guess they are spending too much time watching “An Inconvenient Truth” over and over again so they can tow the party line.


21 posted on 10/02/2007 11:06:00 AM PDT by Kolb
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To: World_Events

Given that this school is in San Francisco, I’m amazed that they don’t have their facts straight:
WWII was started by American racists, military industrialists and Republicans who wanted an excuse to lock up Japanese Americans. America invaded Europe to protect capitalism from the Soviet workers movement which was being popularly expanded by the proletariats and their champion, Joe Stalin. It ended with the destruction of the workers movement in Europe by bombing it back to the Stone Age, and dropping the A-bomb on Japan, which was begging for peace, women’s rights and equal pay.


22 posted on 10/02/2007 11:06:02 AM PDT by Spok
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To: PAR35
Answers to quiz:

1. USS Panay (of course, 1 sailor and 3 marines were wounded in the Japanese attack on Shanghai, and 1 sailor was killed and 19 wounded on the USS Augusta in two separate incidents at Shanghai, all earlier than the Panay attack)
2. December 12, 1937
3. USS Ruben James (It was the third US ship hit by the Germans in World War II, but the first sunk. 11 died and 22 were injured on the USS Kearny October 17, and 1 was injured on the USS Salinas October 30.
4. October 31, 1941
5. November 21, 1941
6. They fought on Java.
7. Several possible answers based upon whether Africa (Italian attack on Ethiopia), Asia (Japanese attack on China) or Europe is used as the starting point.

23 posted on 10/02/2007 11:06:33 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
WW II started in 1919, with the adoption of the Versailles Treaty. The terms of the treaty guaranteed that there would be another major war, time frame indeterminate.

The combat phase(s) started somewhat later.

24 posted on 10/02/2007 11:09:48 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: World_Events
Some college students do not fare that much better:

"Did the Japanese go and sit down and have dinner with Pearl Harbor before they bombed 'em?"
Jerome Brown, 1986 Fiesta Bowl Dinner

25 posted on 10/02/2007 11:11:55 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: SAJ

That is an acceptable answer under the terms of the question, although probably not the one I would have chosen.


26 posted on 10/02/2007 11:21:15 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: World_Events
My boys, aged 8 and 10, can name every vehicle in any war footage. They wail when Hollywood uses the wrong weapons or vehicles. They closely inspected the German tanks in "Kelly's Heroes", then correctly assessed them as Russian T-34s with Hollywood skins. (The turret was too far forward, and the bogie wheel arrangement was clearly a T-34.)

They know who the commanders were for all of the major campaigns, axis and allies alike.

Both boys can cite gobs of statistics for WWII tanks. They both favor Michael Whitman as their favorite tank commander. (Kraut)

They read a lot.

27 posted on 10/02/2007 11:29:43 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: World_Events
This is infuriating on so many levels.

Here's the limp answer from the history "teacher" who agreed to let the Chron quiz the kids:

"It's a bit disappointing," sighed their teacher, Theresa Quindlen, head of Burton High's history department, who agreed to let The Chronicle quiz her students and print the results. "But maybe something will spark their interest, and they'll become future readers of history."

Here's an article from eWeek about how today's kids are ill prepared for work in an increasingly high-tech economy:

Business Traces Work Force Gaps to Education

There was a sweet ending to this story.

At Palo Alto High, a lightbulb lit for 11th-grade history teacher David Rapaport a few years ago when a student's father handed him a World War II scrapbook he'd found in a dumpster.

"It was amazing," Rapaport said. "It was in perfect condition."

A soldier's wife named Barbara Costello had saved not only letters, telegrams and military orders, but every napkin and receipt remotely related to the service of her husband, William Costello.

Last year, Rapaport asked his students to trace the soldier's life.

The kids spent the year learning about the man, and ended up writing a "A Soldier's Scrapbook," a colorful, 40-page book they published themselves.

It's part World War II history, part love story. A photo of the couple's graves is on the back cover.

"Instead of listening to and reading history, we have uncovered it ourselves," writes Ali Arams, one of the book's 150 authors. "Our class has discovered history like no one else has before."

...The students produced 500 colorful, 40-page paperbacks with the help of a $3,000 grant from their school's site council. The students are selling the books for $10 and will put the proceeds back into the site council fund.

To buy one, send an e-mail to their history teacher, David Rapaport, at drapa port@pausd.org. Or place a phone order at the school by calling (650) 329-3836.

- Nanette Asimov

28 posted on 10/02/2007 11:30:43 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: PAR35
Try this little open book test:

1)What was the name of the first US Naval ship bombed by the Japanese?
2)When was it sunk?
3) What was the name of the first US Naval vessel sunk by the Germans in World War II.
4)What month and year was it sunk?
5) When did the first National Guard Unit sail for the South Pacific?
6) Where did they fight?
7)Bonus question: In what year did World War II start. Explain your answer.

Today's typical HS student's answers:

1. The Enterprise
2. 1492
3. Hindenburg
4. February 1776
5. 1900
6. Bosnia
7. 1990, because the Germans were upset about the USA not signing the Kyoto Accord.

29 posted on 10/02/2007 11:34:54 AM PDT by 50mm (Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist - G. Carlin)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
World War II shaped the world they live in, and they are taught next to nothing about it.

You can make a darn good case that WWI shaped the world more than WWII, which was largely a rematch that turned out the same way.

Meanwhile we are still dealing with the after-effects of Communism in Russia and the continual mess in the Middle East, both of which are direct results of WWI.

I suspect the only thing most yutes know about WWI is that it probably came before WWII. :)

What a sad comment.

You betcha!

30 posted on 10/02/2007 11:34:54 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: dfwgator

ROLF!!!


31 posted on 10/02/2007 11:36:57 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: World_Events

bump for later read


32 posted on 10/02/2007 11:37:38 AM PDT by VOA
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To: JamesP81; Polynikes

The War in Europe started in earnest on 1st September 1939 when the Nazis invaded Poland.

September 1st - Germany invades Poland.
September 3rd - Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Germany.
September 10th - Canada declares war on Germany.


33 posted on 10/02/2007 11:44:53 AM PDT by protest1
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To: applpie

“It is not all the fault of this “spoiled” generation. Who educated or
raised them?
Folks from our generation did. Garbage in....garbage out.”

In the main I agree.

And to buttress our case, I now call my first “witness”, historian/writer David McCullough
if the forum will indulge me in a repost from a previous thread...
in the form of an exerpt from “Imprimis” of April 2005 from his speech titled
“Knowing History and Knowing Who We Are”.
URL for the article:
http://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2005&month=04

(begin excerpt from Imprimis)

Our Failure, Our Duty
We are raising a generation of young Americans who are by-and-large
historically illiterate. And it’s not their fault. There have been
innumerable studies, and there’s no denying it. I’ve experienced it
myself again and again. I had a young woman come up to me after a
talk one morning at the University of Missouri to tell me that she
was glad she came to hear me speak, and I said I was pleased
she had shown up.

She said, ”Yes, I’m very pleased, because until now I never understood that
all of the 13 colonies —the original 13 colonies—were on the east coast.“

Now you hear that and you think: What in the world have we done?
How could this young lady, this wonderful young American, become a
student at a fine university and not know that?

I taught a seminar at Dartmouth of seniors majoring in history,
honor students, 25 of them. The first morning we sat down and I said,

”How many of you know who George Marshall was?“

Not one.

There was a long silence and finally one young man asked,
”Did he have, maybe, something to do with the Marshall Plan?“
And I said yes, he certainly did, and that’s a good place to begin
talking about George Marshall.

(end excerpt from “Imprimis”)


34 posted on 10/02/2007 11:45:13 AM PDT by VOA
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To: dfwgator

Priceless ... and clever.


35 posted on 10/02/2007 11:45:32 AM PDT by harmodius
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I used to read "Commando" comics, they told you all you needed to know about WII!

commandocomics.co.uk


36 posted on 10/02/2007 11:56:16 AM PDT by protest1
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To: World_Events
This has been a long time coming. Back in the '60's I knew more than my high school world history teacher.

I must have been a real pain in class.

37 posted on 10/02/2007 12:03:38 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: World_Events

“In hopes that more kids will be similarly inspired, Quindlen, like some other Bay Area teachers, is giving students extra credit for watching the Ken Burns series “The War,” being aired on PBS.”

Yea letting PBS do the job you *cant*! I suppose we should be relived she is not showing it in class..


38 posted on 10/02/2007 12:04:16 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: SoKatt

For the forum...
Here’s a link to an archive of threads on the PBS/Ken Burns production,
“The War”, including discussion threads on the parts of the series
and related threads touching on “The War” series.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=thewar

And here’s a short heads-up: PBS will air the final episode (Part 7)
tonight (Tues 10-2-07), airing at 7PM Central and reairing at 9:30PM.
Of course, the PBS stations don’t all stick to normal air-times/dates...
so it would be wise to check this URL for local PBS stations airtime
and date:
URLs for PBS websites:
URL to check listing for local PBS stations:
http://www.pbs.org/thewar/broadcast_schedule.htm


39 posted on 10/02/2007 12:12:10 PM PDT by VOA
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To: redlegplanner
>>>The first step to rescuing this country is to break the NEA.<<<

Bingo. You get it! Unfortunately, it may involve breaking the Democrat liberal chokehold on Congress and the Dept Of Education first....not a simple task.

To break the NEA, we would need to decertify about 40% of the teachers in the public school system - a tall order. The only other way I can see is make vouchers mandatory and fully funded by school tax money. In other words, if the average student cost per year is $9,500, a voucher to go to a school of the students choice for $9,500 would be mandatory.

40 posted on 10/02/2007 12:21:55 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out of Qurans)
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To: VOA

I have been watching the series. After reading some of the comments on that thread, I do agree that some of the political slant on it does come through, and it is a bit disappointing.

Nonetheless the tales from each veteran is quite compelling, and Burns and company do a great job of letting the viewer understand the hell WW2 veterans went through to save the world. That kind of suffering and savagery is unimaginable to me and makes me eternally grateful for their sacrifice and bravery.


41 posted on 10/02/2007 12:33:31 PM PDT by World_Events
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To: SoKatt
Have you been watching the Ken Burns special on PBS?

Yes, and unfortunately it reminds me that we are fast losing our WWII vets, which will only make the situation worse. I remember when my kids were younger, that they had WWII vets that came to the schools and talked about it. Even as recently as Schindler's List (about 15 years ago if I recall correctly), I believed they showed it in the high schools, but these days, I think the exposure is going down in the schools, even if it's picked up elsewhere.
42 posted on 10/02/2007 12:41:54 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: World_Events

It’s not the fault of either the kids or the teachers.

It’s the fault of the parents.

They, after all, delegate their responsibility to educate their children to teachers. The parents are ultimately responsible.


43 posted on 10/02/2007 12:43:05 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: World_Events

When my wife was in the hospital a while back one of the nurses asked me if I was in WW II. I said Yes and she asked if I was at Bunker Hill. I did wonder what was in today’s history classes but decided I was in pretty good shape for a 200 year old guy.


44 posted on 10/02/2007 12:45:18 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: dfwgator

That’s good. I’ll have to forward it to people.


45 posted on 10/02/2007 12:46:58 PM PDT by BBell
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To: JamesP81
At least he knew the war started with Pearl Harbor.

That fact alone qualifies me for membership on the Senate Armed Forces committee.

46 posted on 10/02/2007 12:49:46 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: protest1
Those are the official dates, granted. Officially, the US didn't declare war on Japan until Dec 8, 1945. But I would submit to you that we were at war with them when the first bomb dropped on Dec 7, official declaration or not.

Similarly, the war with Japan officially ended when the surrender ceremony was held on the deck of the USS Missouri on September 2, 1945. However, after the use of Fat Man on Nagasaki on Aug 9, the war was for all intents and purposes over.

I can toss dates around with the very best of them. I've been studying WW2 for over 15 years and could probably name most of the important dates from memory. My point is that when the war actually started and when it officially started aren't necessarily the same.
47 posted on 10/02/2007 1:09:32 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: af_vet_rr
Yes, and unfortunately it reminds me that we are fast losing our WWII vets,...

This last weekend I was at the Columbus Air Show . Featured was the likely last 'Gathering of Legends', a gathering of P-51 Mustangs and pilots.(more than 100 Mustangs, incredible)
These WWII pilots are in their 80's.

They honored 46 of the Tuskegee Airmen. Lots of wheelchairs.

48 posted on 10/02/2007 1:22:33 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: World_Events
I wonder if they know that SF was the intended target of a Japanese "dirty bomb"?

Or that the Nazis wanted to "dirty bomb" NYC?

49 posted on 10/02/2007 1:48:52 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: chopperman

I firmly believe that posters on FR should be required to pass some kind of test like ensuring they don’t double post. /lol


50 posted on 10/02/2007 2:16:16 PM PDT by art_rocks
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