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Bauer: It’s Too Early for Third Party Talk
Human Events ^ | 10/05/2007 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 10/5/2007, 12:39:40 PM by Josh Painter

A recent Pew survey... found just 22 percent of the public -- and just 31 percent of Republicans—know Giuliani is pro-choice, and that 59 percent of Republicans who say social issues are very important to them are not sure what Giuliani’s position on abortion is.

So far, Rudy Giuliani has suffered little for deviating from the GOP’s traditional pro-life stance... Voter ignorance about the candidates’ positions has not been helped by some of the other Republican candidates who have thus far spent more time attacking each other than challenging the frontrunner on his liberal policy positions...

While none of the candidates is perfect on all the issues, we cannot afford to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The GOP has enjoyed an unprecedented run of success --winning five of the last seven presidential elections -- by nominating pro-life, pro-family, pro-victory candidates. There is no need to deviate from that winning formula now.

If Rudy Giuliani -- who likes to tell Republican voters on the campaign trail that their party needs to “move beyond” issues like abortion -- wins the Republican nomination for president, a debate over the prudence of running a third party candidate who represents conservative social values can take place. Right now, however, social conservatives -- the GOP’s nominating base -- should remember this: Rudy Giuliani can only win the Republican presidential nomination if social conservatives abandon the pro-life cause, or if significant numbers of us disengage from the electoral process. Either development would be tragic.

But if social conservatives stay united and continue to inform one another about where the candidates stand on the issues we care about, we can ensure that our values will be represented in the presidential election.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gop; rudygiuliani; socons; valuesvoters
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1 posted on 10/5/2007, 12:39:42 PM by Josh Painter
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To: Sturm Ruger
The GOP ideology has shifted so far to the left over many years it and the socialist Democrats are essentially one party. An alternative party would restore the two party system. It is never too early to discuss a second party as long as Giuliani is in the running.
2 posted on 10/5/2007, 12:44:41 PM by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Sturm Ruger

Third Party is the President Hillary option.

The Clintons have been working for years to divide us I suspect with many tactics including trolling on this website.

When you run for the big office deliberate plans to hurt your opposition are made ahead of time and executed.

Whatever happens in the next few months we will have to close ranks behind our candidate, whoever it will be.

Right now in Iowa and New Hampshire if Rudy Giuliani is to be defeated it will have to be by tactical voting for Mitt Romney based on the polling data.

It may mean Fred Thompson in South Carolina.

One can vote principled for another candidate (not McCain or Paul) but my analysis is coming down to this conclusion for now.


3 posted on 10/5/2007, 12:46:17 PM by Nextrush (Proudly uncommitted in the 2008 race for president for now)
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To: Man50D

bttt your wise words


4 posted on 10/5/2007, 12:48:23 PM by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Man50D

No, the focus should be on saving the GOP from the liberals who are trying to make it Democrat Lite and ensuring that Guiliani does not get the nomination.

Third Parties are fools’ errands.


5 posted on 10/5/2007, 12:55:35 PM by Josh Painter ( "Our government must be limited by the powers delegated to it by the Constitution." - Fred Thompson)
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To: Sturm Ruger
Third Parties are fools’ errands.

So is not knowing where the fire exit is located.

6 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:00:23 PM by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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To: Sturm Ruger
"A recent Pew survey... found just 22 percent of the public -- and just 31 percent of Republicans—know Giuliani is pro-choice, and that 59 percent of Republicans who say social issues are very important to them are not sure what Giuliani’s position on abortion is."

The word needs to be spread to all GOP voters. It's time to attack, and drive the stake through the heart of the Giuliani Campaign.

7 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:01:00 PM by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Sturm Ruger

We need a chart of all the candidates with their issue stances.

Not the say nothing charts found on forbes but similar to the one which compares Guiliani’s positions to hillary.


8 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:04:53 PM by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nextrush

BE A SHEEP

VOTE REPUBLICAN

(Even if we abandon conservative values because we know you're too small to defeat us and if you do, you'll just get Hillary Clinton elected. This message brought to you by the Republican National Committee.)

9 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:08:15 PM by jmyrlefuller (The Associated Press: The most dangerous news organization in America.[TM])
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To: Sturm Ruger
If Rudy Giuliani...wins the Republican nomination for president, a debate over the prudence of running a third party candidate...

Jeez. We don't need another Ross Perot giving another Clinton the win.

Vote Fred!

10 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:08:34 PM by McGruff (If I can't have Cheney I guess Fred will have to do.)
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To: Sturm Ruger

If by too early he means 2010, then I agree.


11 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:20:01 PM by Brilliant
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To: Sturm Ruger
Unless it's Jack Bauer considering being a third-party candidate (and I absolutely, positively do NOT mean the actor behind the character).
12 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:26:17 PM by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Nextrush
Perot is directly responsible for the gift of eight disasterous years of Clinton.

I as an evangelical Christian will work tirelessly against anyone, or any group that seeks to divide the conservative vote.

Life is full of choices, it is the way mankind was created. To make the best choices means we don’t always get a full plate. Certainly we want everything according to our beliefs, but at the time we pull the lever, the choice should be for the one who will provide the most - who fundamentally is a strong leader with a sense of Christian values even if they aren’t called in those terms.

I know a man who lives the most Christ-like life I have ever witnessed - but doesn’t go to church (he would never describe his life that way). I’m in church every Sunday and more, but find myself wishing to emulate his way of life. O yes, I have tried for years to get him to come to church with me - he prefers fishing.

13 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:37:56 PM by elpadre
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To: Sturm Ruger
A recent Pew survey... found just 22 percent of the public -- and just 31 percent of Republicans—know Giuliani is pro-choice, and that 59 percent of Republicans who say social issues are very important to them are not sure what Giuliani’s position on abortion is.

What these numbers show me is that John Q. Public has not been paying attention to the Republican debates. I think as it becomes much closer to the Primaries, more voters will pay attention. As long as the message gets out that Rudy is a version of Hillary-lite, the poll numbers will more accurately reflect that.

At least I hope so.

14 posted on 10/5/2007, 1:41:55 PM by Shelayne (NO running or relenting until the problem has been dealt with-decisively,systematically,permanently.)
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To: elpadre

My view of things has changed considerably as I’ve seen how some take a legalistic and or intellectual view of Christ.

Humanism has wreaked havoc upon many who profess Christ in this world.

The Pharisees and Sadducees live in our times.

But we need to take a hard look at these candidates right now and make some decisions.

I follow my convictions and would vote more likely for someone like Duncan Hunter but as I’ve said in other posts there is a tactical vote if one believes Rudy Giuliani is too liberal.

That may mean Romney and or Thompson depending on what state a person lives in. That’s the only realistic way to defeat Giuliani if one feels it must be done.


15 posted on 10/5/2007, 2:11:18 PM by Nextrush (Proudly uncommitted in the 2008 race for president for now)
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To: Nextrush

To defeat Guiliani is the battle. To defeat Clinton is the war that MUST be won.


16 posted on 10/5/2007, 2:46:38 PM by elpadre
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To: elpadre

Dear Padre - Exactly! And talk of a third party right now is shooting at ourselves in the midst of the initial battle. Gary Bauer’s christianity is beyond reproach. His personal life witness and leadership on Christian values in the public square for decades (side by side with President Reagan) give him much credibility in presenting this rationale.


17 posted on 10/5/2007, 2:57:35 PM by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Nextrush
Whatever happens in the next few months we will have to close ranks behind our candidate, whoever it will be.

Sorry, Next, I cannot, and will not, close ranks behind Rudy.
I would rather have the enemy in direct confrontation than have the enemy leading my charge.

I think I could close ranks behind, almost, any of the other candidates but I cannot say that of Rudy.

18 posted on 10/5/2007, 2:58:35 PM by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Sturm Ruger

The author has always given me the creeps.


19 posted on 10/5/2007, 2:59:40 PM by Badeye (Free Willie!)
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To: Sturm Ruger
we cannot afford to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The GOP has enjoyed an unprecedented run of success --winning five of the last seven presidential elections -- by nominating pro-life, pro-family, pro-victory candidates.

What good has it done?

20 posted on 10/5/2007, 3:05:39 PM by Soren
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